Could apathy return if...

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i don't think apathy returns this season. i think most people probably don't have as high expectations for 2017, given all the changes. i think most probably expect 8-4/7-5 type season anyway.

2018 though should return with the high expectations. another talented, experienced roster coming back for that year, depth should improve. sign what could be a really good, potential top 10 class in 18....and we should see 2016 type hype again.

flame out that year, and that's when the air really goes out of the balloon, and the reality that CBJ won't ever be 'that guy' sets in.

doesn't have to go that way mind you. but it's certainly a possibility.
 
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#79
I just wish we'd stop chasing expectations downward. Every year we lower our standards of what's acceptable and adjust expectations accordingly. Mediocrity becomes tolerable... then acceptable... and soon it's the norm.
 
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LA Vol said:
I just wish we'd stop chasing expectations downward. Every year we lower our standards of what's acceptable and adjust expectations accordingly. Mediocrity becomes tolerable... then acceptable... and soon it's the norm.
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At UT, a nine win season should be considered an off season. Not a cause for celebration. We should expect 10+ win seasons as the norm.
 
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IknoxvolsI said:
I remember sitting in the endzone and I swear Houston was running to get tackled! Hole big enough for a Toyota to literally drive through and he kept running into blocked line men. He fumbled and Clausen just stood there and stared at the ball. Fulmer kept complaining about not getting a New Years day bowl. That's when I knew we were in trouble. Everytime he complained about something we got beat!

Actually, after the '01 season, apathy set in!
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You're exactly right...Fulmer and the team morale after the '01 SECC game against LSU were the birthplace of the apathy. Not hating on Phil, but we all witness our own ascent and decline in due time I suppose. Pinpointing the precipice of those events can be quite the defining moment in ones life.
 
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And yes, Houston sure was a hard runner but his vision did leave a little to be desired. Those were definitely some fun teams though. Thinking back to the 6 OT game against Arkansas and Witten...and guys like Corey Larkins, Derrick Tinsley, and Tony McDaniel. Ah yes, the ole days lol. GBO
 
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OrangeTsar said:
At UT, a nine win season should be considered an off season. Not a cause for celebration. We should expect 10+ win seasons as the norm.
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Witch Doctor think you are on the wrong board. Tennessee hasnt ever been a consistent 10 win team. Fulmer had some good runs but nothing too consistent and nothing like that has ever happened here.. year after year after year. There were no glory days, good seasons..no legacy..MYTH
Fumer had a great run, but so did Yale

BNL
 
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OrangeTsar said:
At UT, a nine win season should be considered an off season. Not a cause for celebration. We should expect 10+ win seasons as the norm.
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Historically speaking, 10+ wins is not a norm. Using the data available online and putting on an excel spreadsheet, UT has had twenty 10+ win seasons dating back to 1899. 17% of their seasons have been 10+ wins. Since 1990, a more realistic timeframe, the Vols have had 10+ win seasons 33% of the time (9 of 27 seasons). I love UT football as much as the next guy, but we need to realize they are not annual world beaters. That doesn't mean that 10+ win seasons can't become a norm in the future. But right now it's just not.
 
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solivols said:
Historically speaking, 10+ wins is not a norm. Using the data available online and putting on an excel spreadsheet, UT has had twenty 10+ win seasons dating back to 1899. 17% of their seasons have been 10+ wins. Since 1990, a more realistic timeframe, the Vols have had 10+ win seasons 33% of the time (9 of 27 seasons). I love UT football as much as the next guy, but we need to realize they are not annual world beaters. That doesn't mean that 10+ win seasons can't become a norm in the future. But right now it's just not.
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Please... No facts today..(P.S I agree) :p
 
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'boro-vol said:
where, and when did i say i don't support the team? That never changes. I said i will be spending my $$ and time elsewhere until i see something different from this staff.

This is a circular argument that never ends, so there is no need to argue it. Some of us will never agree on butch, and our different views of program expectations. That doesn't make us less or more of a fan, just people with different opinions.
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solivols said:
Historically speaking, 10+ wins is not a norm. Using the data available online and putting on an excel spreadsheet, UT has had twenty 10+ win seasons dating back to 1899. 17% of their seasons have been 10+ wins. Since 1990, a more realistic timeframe, the Vols have had 10+ win seasons 33% of the time (9 of 27 seasons). I love UT football as much as the next guy, but we need to realize they are not annual world beaters. That doesn't mean that 10+ win seasons can't become a norm in the future. But right now it's just not.
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How many games did they play again in 1899?

1990?

9 wins today is different than 9 wins 120 years ago.
 
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jakez4ut said:
How many games did they play again in 1899?

1990?

9 wins today is different than 9 wins 120 years ago.
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I will say that getting 10 wins was easier inthe 90s when everyone sucked but UF. Bama started taking their slide mid 90s and that helped. Us being a 10+ win team in the second with Bama as a permanent west, no way. If we pull off 10+ regular season this year then Butch should probably leave as it won't get any better than that for him
 
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'Boro-vol said:
Where, and when did I say I don't support the TEAM? That never changes. I said I will be spending my $$ and time elsewhere until I see something different from this staff.

This is a circular argument that never ends, so there is no need to argue it. Some of us will never agree on Butch, and our different views of program expectations. That doesn't make us less or more of a fan, just people with different opinions.
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Losing interest in a team quite literally makes you less of a fan than someone who's always dedicated to supporting their team win or lose. No one's saying it makes you a bad person, but don't claim to be a die hard if you're only acting like one when it's convenient for you.
 
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UTRavens said:
Losing interest in a team quite literally makes you less of a fan than someone who's always dedicated to supporting their team win or lose. No one's saying it makes you a bad person, but don't claim to be a die hard if you're only acting like one when it's convenient for you.
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If you say so. Or maybe it just means that I love my University, and question the leadership.
 
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jakez4ut said:
How many games did they play again in 1899?

1990?

9 wins today is different than 9 wins 120 years ago.
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I agree with you. That's why I included 10+ win seasons since 1990 which seemed a lot more relevant and a good starting point considering the success the team had in the 90's and early 2000's. That's roughly the past 25 years and a decent sample size. My post wasn't meant as a criticism, just acknowledging facts.
 
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bigdaddy said:
I will say that getting 10 wins was easier inthe 90s when everyone sucked but UF. Bama started taking their slide mid 90s and that helped. Us being a 10+ win team in the second with Bama as a permanent west, no way. If we pull off 10+ regular season this year then Butch should probably leave as it won't get any better than that for him
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9-3 today is the same as 8-3 25 years ago.

Acting like 9-3 is "great"... or some how besting what our "history" says it should be is ridiculous.

And playing bama every year doesn't change that. Y'all wanna know why 7-8 wins is what our history says it is? Cause relative to the quality of teams we play year in year out were usually just better than 7-8 teams.

Our seasons generally have always boiled down to 2-3 games no matter how many games we play.... be it auburn, bama back in our 9, 10, or 11 game seasons or fl, ga, bama in the current 12 game schedule.

The line of demarcation is when we're as good/better than those 2-3 teams, not with those 7-8 teams. And that is what separates good/average seasons from great ones.
 
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solivols said:
I agree with you. That's why I included 10+ win seasons since 1990 which seemed a lot more relevant and a good starting point considering the success the team had in the 90's and early 2000's. That's roughly the past 25 years and a decent sample size. My post wasn't meant as a criticism, just acknowledging facts.
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10-4. And using that sample TN won 4 sec titles, 5 division titles and a natty.

So my question would be why would we, then, assume we can't/shouldn't be capable now? That's far more relevant than comparing it to our entire history as the benchmark.

And a far better goal to have than just being better than the last 8-9 years.

Just a general thought.
 
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Burger said:
We should always expect excellence.
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Witch Doctor just wanted to preserve this comment before you realize we are talking about college sports and changed it. lol
#youhavenowbeendisqualified
BNL
 
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ajvol01 said:
14 years ago = 2003. Apathy started in '03?

News to me.
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It'll make sense to you when you understand that literally everything this guy does on VN is to take shots, veiled or otherwise, at Fulmer. That's all this thread is. The dude is obsessed.
 
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'Boro-vol said:
If I got offended at every disagreement on here I would have left years ago. Maybe you value others opinions that much...I do not.

For the record...the minority you refer to are not seeking National Championships, anymore than they were satisfied with 5 wins. Coaching, and playing, to potential regularly is what is sought. I have no problem with 8-9 wins, if that is as good as we are in a given year. But when I see a talented team play up and down to competition regularly, make the same mistakes repeatedly, and put themselves in the position to have breakout seasons, only to fritter them away late, I question the leadership at the top.

The difference in our fanbase is that one side looks back to how bad we were and sees our slight improvement as the promised land, and the other looks forward to what we could/ should be.

And don't worry my friend, I've not missed my son's game or practice in 10 years...I'm not about to stop now.
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Extremely well said.
 
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