Butch 4th ranked overpaid coach in NCAA?

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Boca Vol said:
I swear, if Butch is here 10 years from now there will be a huge portion of this fanbase still whining over what Butch inherited.

In reality, the worst things Butch inherited was the QB situation, immediate depth at some positions, and long-term depth at OL. Here we are in year 5 still complaining about depth and Dooley.
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If Butch is here 10 years from now, that means we've represented the east in Atlanta in the SECCG(I hope).

Until we get over the hump(win SEC) or someone does worse(not likely), Dooley will always be mentioned as the reason we spiraled the way we did.

Has there been a coach at a high profile program to stink it up as bad as Dooley?
 
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Iam4utalways said:
If Butch is here 10 years from now, that means we've represented the east in Atlanta in the SECCG(I hope).

Until we get over the hump(win SEC) or someone does worse(not likely), Dooley will always be mentioned as the reason we spiraled the way we did.

Has there been a coach at a high profile program to stink it up as bad as Dooley?
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No.
 
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GAVol said:
Everything you posted is right. Still, hard to look at list of highest paid coaches and wonder how the heck he ended up there.
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I think he is still living a lot off of the run they went on from 2002 - 2004. Two Big 10 co-championships, an Orange Bowl appearance, finished #8 in the country all 3 years. Hayden Fry wasn't even able to have a stretch that good. Also, their program was a dumpster fire when Fry retired and Ferentz took over, so he's known as the guy who rebuilt their program too.

He hasn't replicated a run like that since, but Ferentz does have this pattern where he has a top 10 season about once every 5-7 years. At a program with lower expectations, I guess the rush of having a top 10 team one year lasts long enough that his seat doesn't heat up too much during the 5 mediocre years that follow.

At a school where people demand more, he would have been fired probably in 2006 or 2007.
 
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is another p5 school going to pluck KF away from Iowa? BJ from TN? BB from ARK? MS from KY? you could make cases for/against for each, depending on the schools you think would want to make that kind of move. but even then, would those type of schools look to shell out more than what any of these guys are currently making? probably not. and the bigger programs, like OSU, FL, FSU, Bama, Clemson etc....would probably expect to pay more for the type of coach they'd seek out, and i doubt any of these guys would be at the top of their lists.

so at the end of the day, probably more a reflection of the market than anything else. take all that in to consideration, hard for me to say that any of them are really grossly "overpaid". they're paid enough to keep them where they are, based on current performance levels.
 
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jakez4ut said:
is another p5 school going to pluck KF away from Iowa? BJ from TN? BB from ARK? MS from KY?
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The answer to each of those is no, IMO, which is a testament to the overall mediocrity of coaching in college football.

Look in the SEC as an example. Excluding Alabama, which schools would swap out their current HC for another school's HC?

Would Vol fans swap out Butch for McElwain? Malzahn? Orgeron? Sumlin? Anybody think any of those guys would do better? Take even a coach at a lower-tier school like Stoops. Do you think Kentucky fans would want Butch over Stoops? Would Butch do better at Kentucky than Stoops has? Probably not.
 
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BowlBrother85 said:
...and I hate to play the who inherited what card but Kirby Smart took over a team from Mark Richt that went 10-3 the previous season. Butch Jones took over a team from Derek Dooley that went 5-7.
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and, in 2016, Butch Jones inherited 3 full years of Butch Jones.


BowlBrother85 said:
Sorry you can't see a difference between taking over a 10 win team like Smart did with most of the starters returning and taking over a 5 win team with very little talent on defense.
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Sorry you can't see that Kirby had a freshman qb, and that, in 2016, BJ inherited a program from BJ (he took an 8-4 program to, again 8-4).

BJ and Staff better get ready for C's JM, WM and KS > and NS.
 
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05_never_again said:
The answer to each of those is no, IMO, which is a testament to the overall mediocrity of coaching in college football.

Look in the SEC as an example. Excluding Alabama, which schools would swap out their current HC for another school's HC?

Would Vol fans swap out Butch for McElwain? Malzahn? Orgeron? Sumlin? Anybody think any of those guys would do better? Take even a coach at a lower-tier school like Stoops. Do you think Kentucky fans would want Butch over Stoops? Would Butch do better at Kentucky than Stoops has? Probably not.
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the funny thing is there are going to be guys available next year that will cost more than any of these guys, and if any of them seek a direction change, they'll have to pay. be it chip kelly or les miles or whatever....

but i agree, i don't see any of these guys at the top of any relevant P5 programs lists. and in the SEC, you could argue that there are coordinators on other teams you'd rather have than some of the head coaches.

either way, if any of these guys leave on their own accord for another job, it's most likely at a lower tier P5 or mid major type program, and won't be for more money. the only one i would make an argument for outside that would be BB going back to a big 10 school. he's already proven he can win at a high level in that conference. so i could see that being an outlet for him....don't see it for the rest of them.
 
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I could see an argument for Butch as most overpaid (per results) in the SEC East.

But in the SEC as a whole, that distinction goes to Kevin Sumlin, hands down.

And nationwide, it belongs to Jim Harbaugh, clearly.

So Butch making the list isn't surprising...Butch being in the top 10 is over-inflation (and some willful ignoring of guys who more deeply deserve the notoriety).

It's just that no one in the media will step alone onto the limb to say anything too bad about Harbaugh or Sumlin, as they've been declared elite in the past (whether deserved or not).
 
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Otis07 said:
If Brian Kelly's name isn't on the list.....I call Bull
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Agree he's overpaid, but he doesn't make as much as you'd think. He only makes $4m/year.

Edit: Actually it is $4.5, but you'd still think a head football coach at Notre Dame would be making more than that.
 
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UT-Rex said:
and, in 2016, Butch Jones inherited 3 full years of Butch Jones.




Sorry you can't see that Kirby had a freshman qb, and that, in 2016, BJ inherited a program from BJ (he took an 8-4 program to, again 8-4).

BJ and Staff better get ready for C's JM, WM and KS > and NS.
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Yeah, the #1 QB in his class who Richt had gotten a verbal commitment from and was much better than the QB's that Georgia had used in 2015!... and that does not explain why Georgia was so bad on defense last year!
 
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Sumlin and Kelly should be on that list-- and both are probably fired this year. Sumlin is getting a wee bit of backlash over reinstating his star WR who exposed himself to two female tutors. The "jock itch" defense-- really?
 
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LA Vol said:
Sumlin and Kelly should be on that list-- and both are probably fired this year. Sumlin is getting a wee bit of backlash over reinstating his star WR who exposed himself to two female tutors. The "jock itch" defense-- really?
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People only hold that kind of stuff against coaches when they aren't winning.
 
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LA Vol said:
Sumlin and Kelly should be on that list-- and both are probably fired this year. Sumlin is getting a wee bit of backlash over reinstating his star WR who exposed himself to two female tutors. The "jock itch" defense-- really?
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And Mike Price
 
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05_never_again said:
People only hold that kind of stuff against coaches when they aren't winning enough.
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FYP. And with 3 straight 8-5 seasons Sumlin is not winning nearly enough to quiet the masses, and should have been at least #2 on that list, if not #1, considering the talent Sumlin has had at his disposal.
 
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well, I'll let you know if he's overpaid after this season...or hell to pay after this season...:)

GO VOLS!
 
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Sorry, but if Kevin Sumlin isn't at the top of this list then the list is garbage. He's the second-highest paid coach in the SEC and hasn't even remotely earned that check.

He has lived off Manziel winning the Heisman and beating a Bama team that went on to win the NC. And the shine of that upset makes people forget how close A&M came to choking away a 3 TD lead. Since his first year, what has A&M done? They've finished 4th, 6th, 5th, & 4th in the West.
 
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