Butch 4th ranked overpaid coach in NCAA?

[Darth_Shiveman]

It's not him... it's the market . He is just taking advantage

Exactly. Most SEC coaches are overpaid.

You can make a decent argument that, on a national level, Butch is overpaid from a coast performance standpoint AND make a decent one that, compared to many other SEC coaches, he's appropriately paid.

 

[CTM]

IMO, all coaches are overpaid but 1. No coach needs more than 1 million dollars.

 

[Boca Vol]

As SDS even points out, Butch is the 9th highest paid coach in the SEC. His teams have had back to back 9-4 seasons which although disappointing, still represents significant improvement over what he inherited and he has beaten Georgia the last two years, just beat Florida and is also 3-0 in bowl games. I would contend he is paid close to what he should be paid.

SDS also defends Kirby Smart by saying that he is "dominating" on the recruiting trail... but does that completely make up for the crappy first season he just had? And let's just see how he continues to recruit if the results don't improve. Georgia may be young but that hardly justifies 8-5 in the SEC when you don't have to play Alabama and are as talented as Georgia is.

His "crappy" 1st season is only 1 game worse than Butch's best season at UT. 8-5 vs. 9-4.

 

[KBVol]

Meh, I wouldn't put him in the Top 5 of the most overpaid coaches in the NCAA. Maybe Top 15 at worst. He has brought Tennessee back to a respectable level but he still has a lot to prove on the field. Last year expectations were not met once again by failing to win the East with a very talented squad. I do agree injuries played a big role in it as well but we should have easily handled Vanderbilt & South Carolina. I've gotten over that last year and I'm hoping Butch can save his job by winning the East this 17-18 Season. I like Butch but now it's time to put up or shut up. Tired of the excuses.

On one hand he's not top 5 overpaid making 4.1mm and having failed pretty spectacularly each of the last two seasons, especially last year......but on the other he's gotta win the SECe to save his job? Those two statements are kinda contradictory imo.

Agree that's it's time to put up or shut up and stop with all the excuses.....don't hold your breath though. You, me and most of the fans think he should get to the SECCG....he on the other hand is just trying to get bowl eligible. Perhaps that's part of the reason why he's so overpaid.

 

[BowlBrother85]

His "crappy" 1st season is only 1 game worse than Butch's best season at UT. 8-5 vs. 9-4.

Read the rest of it... against a schedule that didn't include Alabama. Hell, their performance vs Ole Miss alone more than justifies the use of the word "crappy". I think it was 45-0 in the 3rd quarter - and Ole Miss finished 5-7.

...and I hate to play the who inherited what card but Kirby Smart took over a team from Mark Richt that went 10-3 the previous season. Butch Jones took over a team from Derek Dooley that went 5-7.

 

[smokey0625]

Don't know that I would have him that high on the list, but there's no doubt that CBJ should have done better by now given all the advantages a school like UT affords it's head coach (imo).

https://www.saturdaydownsouth.com/sec-football/website-says-three-sec-coaches-among-top-5-overpaid-college-football/

I think he's under paid. We forget where he has brought us. Dooley had us at MTSU level and butch has brought th expectations up so high that we are disappointed we almost won the sec east.

 

[BowlBrother85]

On one hand he's not top 5 overpaid making 4.1mm and having failed pretty spectacularly each of the last two seasons, especially last year......but on the other he's gotta win the SECe to save his job? Those two statements are kinda contradictory imo.

Agree that's it's time to put up or shut up and stop with all the excuses.....don't hold your breath though. You, me and most of the fans think he should get to the SECCG....he on the other hand is just trying to get bowl eligible. Perhaps that's part of the reason why he's so overpaid.

9-4 is not a spectacular fail at Tennessee especially when it includes a win over Florida and a bowl win. This is not a self aware comment.

 

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9-4 is not a spectacular fail at Tennessee especially when it includes a win over Florida and a bowl win. This is not a self aware comment.

You lose to USCjr and Vandy in ANY year, it's a fail.

 

[BowlBrother85]

You lose to USCjr and Vandy in ANY year, it's a fail.

We all know what our defense was reduced to at the end of last season. I would call 2016 a disappointment but spectacular fail is hyperbole.

 

[Boca Vol]

Read the rest of it... against a schedule that didn't include Alabama. Hell, their performance vs Ole Miss alone more than justifies the use of the word "crappy". I think it was 45-0 in the 3rd quarter - and Ole Miss finished 5-7.

...and I hate to play the who inherited what card but Kirby Smart took over a team from Mark Richt that went 10-3 the previous season. Butch Jones took over a team from Derek Dooley that went 5-7.

I swear, if Butch is here 10 years from now there will be a huge portion of this fanbase still whining over what Butch inherited.

In reality, the worst things Butch inherited was the QB situation, immediate depth at some positions, and long-term depth at OL. Here we are in year 5 still complaining about depth and Dooley.

 

[BowlBrother85]

I swear, if Butch is here 10 years from now there will be a huge portion of this fanbase still whining over what Butch inherited.

In reality, the worst things Butch inherited was the QB situation, immediate depth at some positions, and long-term depth at OL. Here we are in year 5 still complaining about depth and Dooley.

Sorry you can't see a difference between taking over a 10 win team like Smart did with most of the starters returning and taking over a 5 win team with very little talent on defense.

 

[BeardedVol]

9-4 is not a spectacular fail at Tennessee especially when it includes a win over Florida and a bowl win. This is not a self aware comment.

Correct, it is not a fail, but it is also not that impressive when 3 out of your 8 regular season wins come from triumphing over opponents like App State, Ohio, and TN Tech.

Until we are winning the division, and challenging for the conference, the only games that really matter are those against our SEC opponents.

 

[Boca Vol]

Sorry you can't see a difference between taking over a 10 win team like Smart did with most of the starters returning and taking over a 5 win team with very little talent on defense.

Just goes to show you how slim the margin is. Take away the Hail Mary vs UT and blowing a 13 point 4th quarter lead against GT and the record is the same for UGA...while starting a FR at QB.

Just like if UT beats USC and Vandy, UT's season looks a bit different.

 

[gc49ervol]

I swear, if Butch is here 10 years from now there will be a huge portion of this fanbase still whining over what Butch inherited.

In reality, the worst things Butch inherited was the QB situation, immediate depth at some positions, and long-term depth at OL. Here we are in year 5 still complaining about depth and Dooley.

Boca this team was the slowest SEC team I have seen in a long time when Butch got here. The overall talent was slightly better than the college teams I played on and we were D1 AA. Speed matters and this team was woefully inadequate. It's not whining to point out what was going on when he took over.

 

[gc49ervol]

I'm not all in on Butch. But for those that don't recognize the positives he has brought for the program are just pushing an agenda. Time will tell if he will be successful here but he is a good coach, just maybe not a great coach. I hope he turns out to be a great coach.

 

[BeardedVol]

IMHO, measure his value off the field to determine if he's overpaid. Anybody can see what he's done rebuilding the program and the culture from the ground up.

But each year his program generates $18.6 million just in state and local tax revenues!

According to a 2015-16 study, the impact of U.T.'s footbal program was $347 million for the state and $355.7 million locally.

From a Chattanooga Times Free Press article:
"...visitor spending for home football games contributes more than $292 million — an average of $42 million per home game — to the state's economy, with Tennessee residents spending $140 per day and out-of-state visitors forking out $308 per day to attend home games.

According to survey results conducted during the 2015 football season, 25 percent of fans attending home games live outside of Tennessee and about 70 percent live outside of Knoxville.

In terms of the local economic impact, visitor spending for home football games includes $40.4 million on hotels, $28 million on retail food and beverage and $30.7 million for restaurants, according to the study.

... The study includes the athletic department's operational budget of $145 million."

No other person effects that economic impact as much as the head coach. Has CBJ's salary been a good investment off the field? ...in the locker room? ...in the post-Kiffin/Dooley chapter of the history of Big Orange Football? I don't think anyone can reasonably doubt those.

But if the question is how much of other people's money are fans are willing to see spent to satisfy their individual expectations... well, even that generates income (hopefully) for volnation.com! :compute:

You got a source on those numbers? Also keep in mind that revenue =/= profit.

 

[VolBricks]

That's like saying you showed up for work and ask for a raise

No, it is more like showing your boss consistent improvement over 4 years and then asking for a raise.

 

[05_never_again]

Where is Kevin Sumlin on that list?

He isn't there probably because in his first year they went 11-2, finished #5 in the country, and Manziel won the Heisman. All with guys he didn't recruit.

From 2013 - present, I agree, I'm not sure there is a more overpaid coach than Sumlin.

Also, having Stoops on that list is ridiculous.

 

[UTandUNC]

You lose to USCjr and Vandy in ANY year, it's a fail.

I'm shocked...a negative comment from you about Butch. Completely shocked. 🙄

 

[05_never_again]

Also, Sumlin might be on even thinner ice than Butch going into the 2017 season. It isn't good when you have a former player likely to go #1 overall in the draft and that is used to write negative articles about you and your program. If he didn't have Manziel, Manziel's Heisman, and that 11-2 season in his first year (all with guys he didn't recruit), he'd already be gone.

https://www.seccountry.com/texas-am/kevin-sumlin-myles-garrett-nfl-draft-stock

 

[jakez4ut]

That is one of several coaches who should be ahead of Butch on this list. Sumlin is currently under contract for 6 years and a guaranteed $30 million. Sumlin has been 8-5 the last 3 seasons and was just 9-4 prior to that and obviously, he has a much better recruiting base than Butch. I'm not saying that Butch hasn't disappointed but this is a ridiculous list.

...and the 9th highest paid coach in the SEC is exactly what he should be. He is neither underpaid or overpaid.

Read the rest of it... against a schedule that didn't include Alabama. Hell, their performance vs Ole Miss alone more than justifies the use of the word "crappy". I think it was 45-0 in the 3rd quarter - and Ole Miss finished 5-7.

...and I hate to play the who inherited what card but Kirby Smart took over a team from Mark Richt that went 10-3 the previous season. Butch Jones took over a team from Derek Dooley that went 5-7.

I swear, if Butch is here 10 years from now there will be a huge portion of this fanbase still whining over what Butch inherited.

In reality, the worst things Butch inherited was the QB situation, immediate depth at some positions, and long-term depth at OL. Here we are in year 5 still complaining about depth and Dooley.

all i get out of all this is...it's all relative. this list from the op is relative to that list, so ok, that's fine.

i agree bout sumlin, hard not to overlook that considering how his teams have ended each of the past 3 seasons on the same downward trend, not to mention he had 2 5* qbs transfer out in the same year.

but relative to the SEC and his peers, he's in the bottom 1/3 of the league in salary, and we've gotten average to above average performance.

hell, you could argue we're getting a steal, relative to the rest of the league.

at the end of the day, i don't think he's overpaid, and i don't think he's underpaid. he's not done anything worthy of 5 or 6+ million/year type deal, and he's not bee so bad, that you think we're way over on the other end of that spectrum.

is it a case of "you get what you pay for", or simply a function of what the market is in the SEC? i think the latter.

 

[GAVol]

Kirk Ferentz should be #1, imo.

....for about the last 5 years.

 

[05_never_again]

....for about the last 5 years.

He's certainly overpaid relative to Tennessee expectations, but isn't overpaid a relative term?

He meets expectations at Iowa (one really good year followed by about 5 mediocre ones). Making BCS bowls about once every 5-7 years placates their boosters and fans. Iowa people probably think he is worth $4.5m. At a bunch of other schools, that wouldn't be good enough but it is good enough there.

 

[GAVol]

He's certainly overpaid relative to Tennessee expectations, but isn't overpaid a relative term?

He meets expectations at Iowa (one really good year followed by about 5 mediocre ones). Making BCS bowls about once every 5-7 years placates their boosters and fans. Iowa people probably think he is worth $4.5m. At a bunch of other schools, that wouldn't be good enough but it is good enough there.

Everything you posted is right. Still, hard to look at list of highest paid coaches and wonder how the heck he ended up there.

 

[WiseOlVol]

Jim Harbaugh is #1. Not even close.
$9,000,000/year.
3rd in Division back-to-back.
Outclassed in bowl v 9-3 ACC team.
Any HC that makes more tha Nick Saban is overpaid.
Harbaugh is at the top of the list.
This list is bogus.