Josh Dobbs visiting the Steelers today

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Dobbs 4 Heisman said:
Dobbs is not lasting till the 6th round. Maybe before the senior bowl and combine that was the case but he's now a 3rd round prospect. I think that is where most of the teams interested in him will target him. However, I've maintained for a while now that at least one team will fall in love with and take him in the 2nd round.
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I've seen 4th -6th round in many draft projections. If he's the 7th or 8th best QB in the draft , those projections seem pretty accurate.
 
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KBVol said:
Dobbs was greatly improved last year and had a very good season, especially after getting hot the last 6 games of season, starting with Tennessee Tech (minus South Carolina). But it's flat out wrong to say "he led the SEC in almost every category", that didn't happen. He led in 2 categories....td passes and qb rating.

So, he didn't lead SEC QBs in completions, attempts, completion percentage, yards per attempt, yards passing, or yards passing per game. So where are you getting your information?....and why are you even bringing this up since you don't think statistics matter whatsoever in determining a player's worth or ability anyway?
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Ok. Let me be more precise. He led all SEC QBs during SEC play in almost every passing category. http://www.cfbstats.com/2016/leader/911/player/split07/category02/sort04.html

When you look at just conference play, Dobbs was 1st in the SEC in 3 of the 5 major passing stats. He was 1st in yards per pass attempt, 1st in passing TDs, and 1st in QB rating. He was 2nd in passing yards per game and 3rd in completion percentage.

Leading in 3 out 5 major passing categories = Leading SEC QBs in almost every passing category
 
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Dobbs 4 Heisman said:
Ok. Let me be more precise. He led all SEC QBs during SEC play in almost every passing category. http://www.cfbstats.com/2016/leader/911/player/split07/category02/sort04.html

When you look at just conference play, Dobbs was 1st in the SEC in 3 of the 5 major passing stats. He was 1st in yards per pass attempt, 1st in passing TDs, and 1st in QB rating. He was 2nd in passing yards per game and 3rd in completion percentage.

Leading in 3 out 5 major passing categories = Leading SEC QBs in almost every passing category
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You said Dobbs was garbage.
 
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vols 30 said:
I've seen 4th -6th round in many draft projections. If he's the 7th or 8th best QB in the draft , those projections seem pretty accurate.
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I've also seen Todd McShay say he would be a good value in the 3rd round. Matt Miller on Bleacher Report (who hates Dobbs and said he was an UFA before the senior bowl) now has him going in the 4th round. And I've also seen WalterFootball at one point having him in the 2nd round.

For guys outside the first round, a lot of these mock drafts are all over the place. They really don't know where to peg a guy like Dobbs cause there is no consensus on him as a player. I'm guessing some teams like him better than others hence why he's all over the place.

All it takes is one team. That is why I've always said Dobbs would go 2nd-3rd round in this draft even when most were saying he would not get drafted. Who cares if most of the league has him rated as a 6th round prospect. At least one team will see what I see in Dobbs and take him early in the draft. Most of the NFL might be filled with morons but there is at least one smart organization out there that will draft Dobbs in the 2nd round and get him at a value given what he will go in the NFL.
 
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Dobbs 4 Heisman said:
Ok. Let me be more precise. He led all SEC QBs during SEC play in almost every passing category. http://www.cfbstats.com/2016/leader/911/player/split07/category02/sort04.html

When you look at just conference play, Dobbs was 1st in the SEC in 3 of the 5 major passing stats. He was 1st in yards per pass attempt, 1st in passing TDs, and 1st in QB rating. He was 2nd in passing yards per game and 3rd in completion percentage.

Leading in 3 out 5 major passing categories = Leading SEC QBs in almost every passing category
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Move that goalpost brother.

Fact is, qb play/personnel was subpar in 2016. Only Josh, Austin Allen at Arky and Kelly (who would've led in pretty much every category, but only played in 9 games due to injury) were strong QBs in the SEC. Look across the entire league, who had good qb play?

West...
1. LSU had no qb
2. Bama had a true freshman who couldn't throw
3. Auburn finally settled on White but he went down to injury and was awful when he came back
4. Arky had Allen, first year starter, who was very good at times, led the league in passing yards
5. Kelly only played 9 games, was having an off year, yet still would've led the SEC in pretty much every stat had he been healthy
6. Fitzgerald was actually very good at Miss State....3,800 total yards which led all players/QBs, and 37 touchdowns, as a first year starter
7. Knight at TAM had playmaking abilities at time, but had a pretty average season, not particularly good

East....
1. Florida had no qb
2. Vandy had no qb
3. SCar was so bereft of QBs that they had to turn to a Highschool senior game halfway thru the year
4. Kentucky had no qb
5. Eason underwhelmed at Georgia, you yourself have said he sucked and was a bust, no?
6. Locke at Mizzou showed flashes, he can spin it, but he was inconsistent and nothing special on balance.

So, in summary, Josh did have a very good, much improved season throwing the ball in 2016, no doubt about it. He was huge vs Florida, clutch vs Georgia and got white hot the last 5 games of the year, save the SCar game.

However, saying he led the SEC in passing categories vs in conference opponents is, quite honestly, kinda like saying he was the smartest kid in summer school. The bar wasn't set very high by comparison.
 
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KBVol said:
Move that goalpost brother.

Fact is, qb play/personnel was subpar in 2016. Only Josh, Austin Allen at Arky and Kelly (who would've led in pretty much every category, but only played in 9 games due to injury) were strong QBs in the SEC. Look across the entire league, who had good qb play?

West...
1. LSU had no qb
2. Bama had a true freshman who couldn't throw
3. Auburn finally settled on White but he went down to injury and was awful when he came back
4. Arky had Allen, first year starter, who was very good at times, led the league in passing yards
5. Kelly only played 9 games, was having an off year, yet still would've led the SEC in pretty much every stat had he been healthy
6. Fitzgerald was actually very good at Miss State....3,800 total yards which led all players/QBs, and 37 touchdowns, as a first year starter
7. Knight at TAM had playmaking abilities at time, but had a pretty average season, not particularly good

East....
1. Florida had no qb
2. Vandy had no qb
3. SCar was so bereft of QBs that they had to turn to a Highschool senior game halfway thru the year
4. Kentucky had no qb
5. Eason underwhelmed at Georgia, you yourself have said he sucked and was a bust, no?
6. Locke at Mizzou showed flashes, he can spin it, but he was inconsistent and nothing special on balance.

So, in summary, Josh did have a very good, much improved season throwing the ball in 2016, no doubt about it. He was huge vs Florida, clutch vs Georgia and got white hot the last 5 games of the year, save the SCar game.

However, saying he led the SEC in passing categories vs in conference opponents is, quite honestly, kinda like saying he was the smartest kid in summer school. The bar wasn't set very high by comparison.
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Josh Dobbs broke to the school record for total TDs in a season with 40 total TDs. He was within a few yards of breaking Peyton Manning's record for total yards in a season. He also led Tennessee to a program record for points in a season.

So you can poo-poo Dobbs season all you want by saying the competition wasn't great. That still doesn't change the fact his 2016 season was STATISTICALLY as great as any QB in program history. If not the greatest season in program history from an offensive perspective when it comes to team and individual scoring.
 
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114VOL said:
Why them? Be specific
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As I said in the post I referred to you, the Packers backup will be in his fourth year. I don't see Rodgers retiring before Hundley's contract he signed as a rookie gets a mandated raise if they keep him. So, to keep the veterans they want to keep and stay within the cap, it will soon be time for bringing in a new backup QB.

So, why Dobbs? Well, can you call Aaron Rodgers a true pocket passer? He is one of the most mobile QBs in the league, so bringing in a Dobbs appeals to Green Bay. I feel Dobbs might be a bit more mobile than Rodgers has ever been. And if Rodgers gets injured, Dobbs will make plays on his feet for them.

As to Dobbs accuracy issues, when our line was relatively healthy he was accurate. And being an understudy to Rodgers (who isn't getting any younger) over 3 to 5 years gives him time to further improve as a passer. And as Rodgers developed his game while Favre finished out his time, so Dobbs could await for time to catch up with Rodgers. It happens to everyone.
 
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Dobbs 4 Heisman said:
Josh Dobbs broke to the school record for total TDs in a season with 40 total TDs. He was within a few yards of breaking Peyton Manning's record for total yards in a season. He also led Tennessee to a program record for points in a season.

So you can poo-poo Dobbs season all you want by saying the competition wasn't great. That still doesn't change the fact his 2016 season was STATISTICALLY as great as any QB in program history. If not the greatest season in program history from an offensive perspective when it comes to team and individual scoring.
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Not poo-pooing anything, perhaps you didn't read where I said Josh had a very good, much improved season throwing the ball, and was one of about 3, maybe 4 good QBs who played the full season? I was only disputing yet another one of your erroneous claims with facts.

40 total tds by Josh and a ton of total yards, thanks in large part to his outstanding/elite college qb running ability was great. He had a great statistical season, not that that matters though, right?

And please don't make the mistake of comparing Josh to Peyton....apples and oranges and not fair to Josh.
 
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NeverWe'llSever said:
Can Vol fans just not even mention this crap anymore? Bad enough I gotta hear it from the Bama and UGA fans. My own fan base shouldn't make me feel sick. :puke5:
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Our head coach came up with the ridiculous idea of donning our team Champions of Life. Then he had the further brilliant idea of sharing that information with the media. Some things you cant blame on fans. :)
 
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Freak said:
...according to a Pittsburgh beat writer.



Mike Tomlin was at UT Pro Day on Friday, reportedly looking at Derek Barnett and Cam Sutton.

I'd really hate to have to start pulling for the Steelers. :)
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I am a Steelers fan and we need Dobbs. I am not saying this because Dobbs is a U.T. grad but because Landry, the Steeler's back up q.b. is not developing. In fact, two seasons ago, when Ben was out. We played S.D. Charges. Landry could not win the game, so we had to put in Mike Vick to win the game for us.
I say, develop Dobbs for a couple of years then cut ties with Landry.
 
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Dobbs 4 Heisman said:
Josh Dobbs broke to the school record for total TDs in a season with 40 total TDs. He was within a few yards of breaking Peyton Manning's record for total yards in a season. He also led Tennessee to a program record for points in season.
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You are forgetting something. Manning set those records with his arm and arm only. Dobbs wouldnt have even sniffed those records if it werent for his legs. For the thousandth time D4H, he cannot rely on his legs in the NFL. If he ever does start, he will be lucky to average around 20ypg rushing, around what most mobile QBs average in the NFL. He will have to rely on his arm almost exclusively, something I amd a lot of people dont think he is capable of doing.

And dont give me this crap about him lighting it up at the combine. Everyone can throw really well against AIR at this level.
 
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K-town Vol Fan said:
You are forgetting something. Manning set those records with his arm and arm only. Dobbs wouldnt have even sniffed those records if it werent for his legs. For the thousandth time D4H, he cannot rely on his legs in the NFL. If he ever does start, he will be lucky to average around 20ypg rushing, around what most mobile QBs average in the NFL. He will have to rely on his arm almost exclusively, something I amd a lot of people dont think he is capable of doing.

And dont give me this crap about him lighting it up at the combine. Everyone can throw really well against AIR at this level.
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Russell Wilson, Cam Newton, and Tyrod Taylor seem to be doing just fine in the NFL running the ball.

Dobbs will not run as much as he did at Tennessee but scrambling/designed runs will still be a huge part of his game in the NFL. And he'll succeed doing it.
 
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Dobbs 4 Heisman said:
Russell Wilson, Cam Newton, and Tyrod Taylor seem to be doing just fine in the NFL running the ball.

Dobbs will not run as much as he did at Tennessee but scrambling/designed runs will still be a huge part of his game in the NFL. And he'll succeed doing it.
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So he won't run as much as he did in College, but he's gonna register a couple of 4000 yard passing and 1000 yard rushing seasons? Okay
 
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Dobbs 4 Heisman said:
Appeals to authority is a logical fallacy. Even if your views are closer to those of the scouts, it doesn't make it right. Last year my views on Dak Prescott were close to the scouts as well as neither of us thought he could throw the ball accurately enough to be a day 1 starter in the NFL QB. Guess what we were proven wrong.

Josh Dobbs will prove you and the scouts wrong as well. He's a day 1 starter. And if he lands on a good team like the Steelers, he could win a lot of games.
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Uhhhh, you already admitted you didn't project or evaluate Prescott last year.

Remember this: Your football knowledge<<<< An NFL scout's
 
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Dobbs 4 Heisman said:
Russell Wilson, Cam Newton, and Tyrod Taylor seem to be doing just fine in the NFL running the ball.

Dobbs will not run as much as he did at Tennessee but scrambling/designed runs will still be a huge part of his game in the NFL. And he'll succeed doing it.
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Russell Wilson's best year rushing: 849 yards in 2014. No other year over 600 yards.

Cam Newton's best year rushing: 741 yards in 2012. 2 other years over 600.

Tyrod Taylor's best year rushing: 580 yards last year. His only other year as a starter netted 568.

But Josh Dobbs is going to run for 1,000 yards while throwing for another 4,000...

Keep on doing you, buddy.
 
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bamawriter said:
Russell Wilson's best year rushing: 849 yards in 2014. No other year over 600 yards.

Cam Newton's best year rushing: 741 yards in 2012. 2 other years over 600.

Tyrod Taylor's best year rushing: 580 yards last year. His only other year as a starter netted 568.

But Josh Dobbs is going to run for 1,000 yards while throwing for another 4,000...

Keep on doing you, buddy.
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Dobbs is a better scrambler than them. He'll get more rushing yards on designed passes where the pass rush breaks down the play.

Plus I didn't say he would rush for 1000 yards every season. Just said he might hit it at least once in his career.

Randall Cunningham had one season where he has 900+ yards rushing.
 
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