ObamaGate

[1972 Grad]

Lots of speculation in this thread

I admit that my Giuliani angle is purely my speculation. I am trying to connect dots, and I thought of Rudy and his cybersecurity firm, and how he could possibly be involved, given his NYC and FBI contacts. He was a prosecutor in NYC, wasn't he?

 

[AirVol]

I just found out that Rudy's son was formally added to the White House Staff today. Maybe a reward for recent cybersecurity work.

I'm waiting for someone to screech about that one. Guess they know better because ole anvil Joe Bidens son Hunter (the son that is hosing his dead brothers wife) is employed by a Ukraine gas company, so they know better than go there.

 

[1972 Grad]

I'm waiting for someone to screech about that one. Guess they know better because ole anvil Joe Bidens son Hunter (the son that is hosing his dead brothers wife) is employed by a Ukraine gas company, so they know better than go there.

My speculation is that Giuliani Partners discovered something that helped Trump understand the depth of what was done against him.

 

[Ernest T. Vol]

Lots of speculation in this thread

My speculation is a bunch of lefties in the media are now running around their elbows and jumping through their azzholes in a futile attempt to escape their own fake news.

 

[Sin City Vol]

Has anyone noticed that Rudy Giuliani has been extremely quiet since being named as Trump's informal cybersecurity adviser on jan.12? He owns a cybersecurity firm, Giuliani Partners. With his law enforcement and other connections in NYC, I think it's possible that his firm may have dug up something pertaining to Trump Tower surveillance. Just a guess.

He's been getting a lot of dental work done

 

[Carl Pickens]

My speculation is a bunch of lefties in the media are now running around their elbows and jumping through their azzholes in a futile attempt to escape their own fake news.

Running around their elbows and jumping through their azzholes?.......I'm trying to envision this

 

[NEVolFan]

I am not sure what Trump has, but Trump is the kind of guy who generally comes out on top. The people who try to trash him usually wind up getting the sh!t end of the stick. Look at the primary Republicans and Hillary.

Agree....A key reason Hillary has quieter than a Church mouse.

 

[MT LeConte]

Trump is certainly not above making big accusations of wrongdoing with bold claims of evidence on the way without ever delivering on those claims. He promised evidence that 3 million people voted illegally, he said he had proof that Obama was born in Kenya... He says a lot of things without delivering.

He also promised a news conference to give the details of Melania's immigration.

"Let me tell you one thing. She has got it so documented, so she's going to have a little news conference over the next couple of weeks.” - Donald Trump

His own wife is one of the illegals he hates so much.

 

[MOOOOONEY]

About 1/10 California residents is on public assistance from the federal government.

Tell me how that compares with the majority of states that voted for Trump. Also kind of strange that the states that are less likely to have its residents on public assistance are the blue states. You know the ones full of non working liberals. Strange how that works.

Here we go again with that liberal mathematics.

1/10=4 million people

so if 1/2 the population of Tennessee were on public assistance, would still be less than California

 

[AirVol]

He also promised a news conference to give the details of Melania's immigration.

"Let me tell you one thing. She has got it so documented, so she's going to have a little news conference over the next couple of weeks.” - Donald Trump

His own wife is one of the illegals he hates so much.

She's illegal?

 

[ClearwaterVol]

Here we go again with that liberal mathematics.

1/10=4 million people

so if 1/2 the population of Tennessee were on public assistance, would still be less than California

Okay, how does that change my premise. That many of the red states are among the poorest with large portions of their populace on federal assistance. You are less likely to be on federal assistance if you live in California.

 

[MustafaRasta]

Here we go again with that liberal mathematics.

1/10=4 million people

so if 1/2 the population of Tennessee were on public assistance, would still be less than California

OK, I will give you 1 sixer of beers but half the sixer is flat. Or I can give you 40 cases of beers but at least 12 beers are flat. You'd take the six pack I guess because more beers are flat in the 40 case deal.

I guess you probably dang dun drunk 4 sixers before you posted.

 

[IBlvNTmWrk]

Okay, how does that change my premise. That many of the red states are among the poorest with large portions of their populace on federal assistance. You are less likely to be on federal assistance if you live in California.

Because it's directly related to how you are choosing to use statistics. Many/most of the red states you are referring to do not have a large populace, so obviously their percentages on federal assistance will be higher. OTOH... if you made MS a county of CA, then its percentage on welfare (based on a larger populace) would miraculously be significantly lower. Funny how that works.

Why not look at the #'s on federal assistance as a percentage of the nation's populace instead?

 

[IBlvNTmWrk]

OK, I will give you 1 sixer of beers but half the sixer is flat. Or I can give you 40 cases of beers but at least 12 beers are flat. You'd take the six pack I guess because more beers are flat in the 40 case deal.

I guess you probably dang dun drunk 4 sixers before you posted.

Is this sarcasm? Option A (six pack) has an outcome of 3 good beers; option B (40 cases) has an outcome of 948 good beers. Maybe I'm missing your point.

 

[MustafaRasta]

Because it's directly related to how you are choosing to use statistics. Many/most of the red states you are referring to do not have a large populace, so obviously their percentages on federal assistance will be higher. OTOH... if you made MS a county of CA, then its percentage on welfare (based on a larger populace) would miraculously be significantly lower. Funny how that works.

Why not look at the #'s on federal assistance as a percentage of the nation's populace instead?

wow...

 

[joevol320]

He also promised a news conference to give the details of Melania's immigration.

"Let me tell you one thing. She has got it so documented, so she's going to have a little news conference over the next couple of weeks.” - Donald Trump

His own wife is one of the illegals he hates so much.

he doesn't hate illegal. man you're a whack job MT. you're as bad as prof.

 

[W.TN.Orange Blood]

Running around their elbows and jumping through their azzholes?.......I'm trying to envision this

:lolabove: I just spit out my lipton tea on my monitor.

 

[ClearwaterVol]

OK, I will give you 1 sixer of beers but half the sixer is flat. Or I can give you 40 cases of beers but at least 12 beers are flat. You'd take the six pack I guess because more beers are flat in the 40 case deal.

I guess you probably dang dun drunk 4 sixers before you posted.

NM

 

[lawgator1]

You know, I happened to walk up by Trump Tower the last weekend in October as it was between St Patrick's Cathedral and my hotel. I'm not saying I stopped and planted a listening device. I'm not saying I didn't, either.

 

[DC_Vol]

OK, I will give you 1 sixer of beers but half the sixer is flat. Or I can give you 40 cases of beers but at least 12 beers are flat. You'd take the six pack I guess because more beers are flat in the 40 case deal.

I guess you probably dang dun drunk 4 sixers before you posted.

This seems like a good question for ape.

 

[ClearwaterVol]

Because it's directly related to how you are choosing to use statistics. Many/most of the red states you are referring to do not have a large populace, so obviously their percentages on federal assistance will be higher. OTOH... if you made MS a county of CA, then its percentage on welfare (based on a larger populace) would miraculously be significantly lower. Funny how that works.

Why not look at the #'s on federal assistance as a percentage of the nation's populace instead?

Because we are not examining the monetary impact of State A v. State B. We are looking at the percentage of the population that is poor. If you want to examine economic impact of the poor people we could do that, but you wouldn't like the results. California has more poor people than Mississppi has people, but it also has several times more people contributing than Mississippi has people.

 

[Franklin Pierce]

Liberal NY Times Headline of January 20, 2017:

WIRETAPPED DATA USED IN INQUIRY OF TRUMP AIDES

What agency wiretapped Flynn and other Trump aides?

Who ordered the Wiretaps?

Did Obama know about the wiretaps?

 

[Grand Vol]

Because we are not examining the monetary impact of State A v. State B. We are looking at the percentage of the population that is poor. If you want to examine economic impact of the poor people we could do that, but you wouldn't like the results. California has more poor people than Mississppi has people, but it also has several times more people contributing than Mississippi has people.

If I recall the great "chart" folks depended on was a slight distortion of the facts as well. If memory serves (I might be wrong) the issue was "how much federal spending" in each State per capita. Didn't take into account (or hid) military bases, federal installations and things like that. Take Oklahoma for example. Not huge in population, but four military bases here alone, two of which are pretty large. As well as the Reservations which are covered under the Federal Government. So, that kind of thing can skew the numbers hugely when put out on a proportional basis with the population (OK is roughly 1.2% of the population of the US)

But when compared to Caifornia with 12% of the total population of the US, those numbers shrink significantly.

 

[lawgator1]

Liberal NY Times Headline of January 20, 2017:

WIRETAPPED DATA USED IN INQUIRY OF TRUMP AIDES

What agency wiretapped Flynn and other Trump aides?

Who ordered the Wiretaps?

Did Obama know about the wiretaps?

The wiretaps were of the Russians, you doofus.

 

[Obsessed]

Well well well....

Seems the server that was used as a basis for the fisa warrant was fake. Set up by Emily McMullin