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#54
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volfan102455 said:
If he wins 9 every year and gets fired, I can't see any other coach (.. who is smart ...) wanting to be anywhere near Tennessee.
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8-4 regular season, with 4-4 in conference play, and a rotating birth in the Liberty/Belk/Music City bowls every year.

You really think that never winning the division and making it to the SECCG should keep CBJ employed at UT?

Is your name by chance, Mike Hamilton?:)
 
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volfan102455 said:
If he wins 9 every year and gets fired, I can't see any other coach (.. who is smart ...) wanting to be anywhere near Tennessee.
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^^^^ That's truth right there! ^^^^

LSwho fired miles and Ed the Ogre was the best they could get, LMAO!!!

Most people can't even understand what he says.

Just more ignorance from the

Extremely
Stupid
People
Network

VFL...GBO!!!
 
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Titan&Volfan4life said:
^^^^ That's truth right there! ^^^^

LSwho fired miles and Ed the Ogre was the best they could get, LMAO!!!

Most people can't even understand what he says.

Just more ignorance from the

Extremely
Stupid
People
Network

VFL...GBO!!!
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Don't forget Ga and Smart. That guy can't even coach up a defense to stop a Hail Mary.

Pitiful.

What's worse he was their 1st choice.
 
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WiseOlVol said:
If he wins 9 every year, he's here till he's 65.
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volfan102455 said:
If he wins 9 every year and gets fired, I can't see any other coach (.. who is smart ...) wanting to be anywhere near Tennessee.
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BeardedVol said:
8-4 regular season, with 4-4 in conference play, and a rotating birth in the Liberty/Belk/Music City bowls every year.

You really think that never winning the division and making it to the SECCG should keep CBJ employed at UT?

Is your name by chance, Mike Hamilton?:)
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Here is where I get confused. I'm Not criticizing anyone here, just trying to understand.

Wise makes his statement that if Butch wins 9 every year, he's here til he's 65.

102455 makes his statement that if he's fired after winning 9 every year, no "smart" coach would want to be here.

BV seems to think 102455 thinks Butch should keep his job if he wins 9 and not making the SECCG.

My question is, does Wise and 102455 actually think Butch "should" keep his job if he wins 9 but doesn't win the East?

I ask because, I agree with both Wise and 102455. I've made similar statements. But, just because I think that, doest mean that's what I think should happen, or want to happen.

Maybe I'm wrong, Wise and 102455 May think he should keep his job by winning 9 whether he wins the East or not, but that's why I'm asking.
 
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Behr said:
Here is where I get confused. I'm Not criticizing anyone here, just trying to understand.

Wise makes his statement that if Butch wins 9 every year, he's here til he's 65.

102455 makes his statement that if he's fired after winning 9 every year, no "smart" coach would want to be here.

BV seems to think 102455 thinks Butch should keep his job if he wins 9 and not making the SECCG.

My question is, does Wise and 102455 actually think Butch "should" keep his job if he wins 9 but doesn't win the East?

I ask because, I agree with both Wise and 102455. I've made similar statements. But, just because I think that, doest mean that's what I think should happen, or want to happen.

Maybe I'm wrong, Wise and 102455 May think he should keep his job by winning 9 whether he wins the East or not, but that's why I'm asking.
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Hence the '?'...

On a side note, do you honestly believe that Blackburn/Fulmer, and future ADs, would really retain CBJ for the next 16 years if he maintains 4-4 in conference play every year?
 
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BeardedVol said:
Hence the '?'...

On a side note, do you honestly believe that Blackburn/Fulmer, and future ADs, would really retain CBJ for the next 16 years if he maintains 4-4 in conference play every year?
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Why do you assume 9 wins is 4-4?
We had 9 wins last year (end of the 2015 season) and were 5-3 in conference?

Ftr, I want more.
 
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chargervol said:
Why do you assume 9 wins is 4-4?
We had 9 wins last year and were 5-3 in conference?

Ftr, I want more.
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Ok, 5-3 in conference play, and losing to the one decent OOC opponent, or losing in the bowl game.

In any of those seasons we don't win the division except in the most unlikeliest of scenarios.
 
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BigOrangeMojo said:
Here's a couple of Bible verses Hugh Freeze must have skipped over


Proverbs 12:19
Truthful words stand the test of time, but lies are soon exposed.

2 Timothy 2:5
An athlete is not crowned unless he competes according to the rules[/QUOTE]

Timothy never met Cam Newton
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Why isnt every coach in the sec on that list besides saban. Nobody finished better than 4 losses and we are mad at Butch.
 
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smokey0625 said:
Why ain't every coach in the sec on that list besides saban. Nobody finished better than 4 losses and we are mad at Butch.
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Ummm, what?

Florida 6-2

Auburn 5-3

LSU 5-3

I'm not mad at Butch, I just think he has hit his ceiling as a coach in the SEC.
 
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Behr said:
Here is where I get confused. I'm Not criticizing anyone here, just trying to understand.

Wise makes his statement that if Butch wins 9 every year, he's here til he's 65.

102455 makes his statement that if he's fired after winning 9 every year, no "smart" coach would want to be here.

BV seems to think 102455 thinks Butch should keep his job if he wins 9 and not making the SECCG.

My question is, does Wise and 102455 actually think Butch "should" keep his job if he wins 9 but doesn't win the East?

I ask because, I agree with both Wise and 102455. I've made similar statements. But, just because I think that, doest mean that's what I think should happen, or want to happen.

Maybe I'm wrong, Wise and 102455 May think he should keep his job by winning 9 whether he wins the East or not, but that's why I'm asking.
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8-4 overall regular season with 4-4 SEC and a minor bowl win is not UT fans expectations. Would it mean Jones stays? Perhaps for 2018 if one of those SEC wins is a signature win over a top 10 team. Eventually, that record would and should be grounds for dismissal because the team isn't moving up to SEC top echelon status. Are we to accept beating Bammer once every 15 years or so? Perennial 3rd or 4th in the SEC East? Eventually that record will deteriorate because other teams will negatively recruit that UT is a mid pack SEC team at best. Both Majors and Battle (early on) had seasons of 10 wins but their reputation was that they couldn't beat Bammer and even Auburn. It will eventually lead to a downward spiral.
 
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SteelerVol said:
BigOrangeMojo said:
Here's a couple of Bible verses Hugh Freeze must have skipped over


Proverbs 12:19
Truthful words stand the test of time, but lies are soon exposed.

2 Timothy 2:5
An athlete is not crowned unless he competes according to the rules[/QUOTE]

Timothy never met Cam Newton
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Goes to show how flawed humanity is and has been since original sin doesn't it when people are rewarded for doing what is unjust? There's life under the sun (Ecclesiastes) and life under the Son (salvation in Christ).
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at this point Butch should have the program farther along than FL or GA.... I know both states have fertile recruiting grounds, but in year 4 if Butch is the guy, they should be trying to catch up to us. This unfortunately is not the case, especially in recruiting and they are both set to surge by us (not to mention SC and Vandy). Butch may be a "good" coach, say all the right things, and has clearly cleaned up the program, but unless something changes in recruiting, our Conf USA Cincy team largely full of 3* is going to be fighting for bowl eligibility and not SEC Championships in another year.... He has a chance this season to make a statement with a new QB and a lot of newer talent playing, so we will have to see what has been learned and developed, or what has remained the same.
 
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Behr said:
Here is where I get confused. I'm Not criticizing anyone here, just trying to understand.

Wise makes his statement that if Butch wins 9 every year, he's here til he's 65.

102455 makes his statement that if he's fired after winning 9 every year, no "smart" coach would want to be here.

BV seems to think 102455 thinks Butch should keep his job if he wins 9 and not making the SECCG.

My question is, does Wise and 102455 actually think Butch "should" keep his job if he wins 9 but doesn't win the East?

I ask because, I agree with both Wise and 102455. I've made similar statements. But, just because I think that, doest mean that's what I think should happen, or want to happen.

Maybe I'm wrong, Wise and 102455 May think he should keep his job by winning 9 whether he wins the East or not, but that's why I'm asking.
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I know you weren't asking me, so let me answer :)

I agree that 9 wins next season probably buys him 2018 just because of losing key pieces.

But if 9 wins (especially if that includes a mid level bowl), is his ceiling, I don't believe he would be retained indefinitely, nor should he.
 
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BeardedVol said:
Hence the '?'...

On a side note, do you honestly believe that Blackburn/Fulmer, and future ADs, would really retain CBJ for the next 16 years if he maintains 4-4 in conference play every year?
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I saw the question mark. I also saw the Mike Hamilton comment. I said you "seemed" to think that's what he meant. I'm not going to argue what everyone meant and thinks what others think. If I was wrong I apologize. Done.

I have no idea what a new AD will do. No, I don't actually think he's safe for the next 16 years if he doesn't win at least the East, but I don't know. You don't either. You keep bringing up the conference record. The new AD, which I don't even have a good feeling on who it will be, may not be as concerned about conference wins as you or me are, as long as we're winning 8-9 regular season and a bowl.

I hope that's not the case, but who knows?
 
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chargervol said:
I know you weren't asking me, so let me answer :)

I agree that 9 wins next season probably buys him 2018 just because of losing key pieces.

But if 9 wins (especially if that includes a mid level bowl), is his ceiling, I don't believe he would be retained indefinitely, nor should he.
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I agree. But I really wanted to know what Wise and 102455 thought. My sinning butt is running late to Church, I don't have time to explain more. If interested, I'll continue this later.:)
 
#75
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Behr said:
I saw the question mark. I also saw the Mike Hamilton comment. I said you "seemed" to think that's what he meant. I'm not going to argue what everyone meant and thinks what others think. If I was wrong I apologize. Done.
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That was more of a dig at Hamilton's decisions as AD.

Behr said:
I have no idea what a new AD will do. No, I don't actually think he's safe for the next 16 years if he doesn't win at least the East, but I don't know. You don't either. You keep bringing up the conference record. The new AD, which I don't even have a good feeling on who it will be, may not be as concerned about conference wins as you or me are, as long as we're winning 8-9 regular season and a bowl.
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Well, Butch has stated that the goal is to "play for and win championships." If by his own words, he's not even coming close to meeting that goal, then I don't know how any AD whomever it is, can retain him, if his record continues the same or downward moving forward, unless the AD is content to be a middling SEC team.

Nor do I see how any AD can excuse consistent 4-4 or 5-3 conference records with no SECCG appearances, just because we are winning games against OOC opponents like App State, Ohio, and Tn Tech. If you aren't winning your conference, those games are little more than practice in the grand scheme of college football IMHO.
 
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