New Name Emerges in AD Search

#26
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GAVol said:
Why did the decision need to happen faster than this? There's a guy doing the job. Before he retires, there will be another guy doing the job. I don't get all the hand wringing.
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I guess you've missed the negative national attention that the university's ineptitude has drawn. That stuff kinda matters a little bit.
 
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volnpowell said:
Well the thought is it hurt us getting asst. coaches, but now that is done I guess (unless Azzani leaves I guess), that is not a concern now. Still looks incompetent since they knew Hart was leaving well in advance.

So my question to you is what was point of him announcing ahead of time he was leaving if not take advantage of it by searching for replacement once announced? They could have already had someone lined up to take his place once he officially left.
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He hasn't left yet!
They will have someone in place.
All the hiring and firing has taken place per the norm. The only thing happening here is the extreme lack of patience we fans are showing.
 
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chargervol said:
He hasn't left yet!
They will have someone in place.
All the hiring and firing has taken place per the norm. The only thing happening here is the extreme lack of patience we fans are showing.
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I know he has not officially left yet, but he has been a "lame duck" A.D., so again the thought was it would hurt Butch trying to hire new coaches.

Also any other key issues an A.D. would have had to deal with during that time of being in "lame duck" position.
 
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volnpowell said:
I know he has not officially left yet, but he has been a "lame duck" A.D., so again the thought was it would hurt Butch trying to hire new coaches.

Also any other key issues an A.D. would have had to deal with during that time of being in "lame duck" position.
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He's not a president who has to go through Congress. As far as hiring and firing, he signs the contracts or he doesn't. They were signed.

He will be out before the new FB season even starts.
 
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chargervol said:
He hasn't left yet!
They will have someone in place.
All the hiring and firing has taken place per the norm. The only thing happening here is the extreme lack of patience we fans are showing.
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It's not a lack of patience to expect a key position in the university to be filled in a timely matter. A new AD needs time to get settled into position and observe norms and practices so that decisive changes can be made in small windows of time. Sports have a season. This is a major athletics program...not a McDonalds.
 
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Volfan76 said:
It's not a lack of patience to expect a key position in the university to be filled in a timely matter. A new AD needs time to get settled into position and observe norms and practices so that decisive changes can be made in small windows of time. Sports have a season. This is a major athletics program...not a McDonalds.
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I'm completely lost what you guys are talking about.

Alabama didn't announce the impending retirement of their ad, they still knew about it. You just have the new guy in before the old one leaves, that's all. It's not that difficult.
 
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Sounds like a good candidate to me. Former team president of the Carolina Panthers, former athletic director at TCU, and former commissioner of the Southern Conference. Pretty good credentials.
 
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volfannbama said:
Is it really that big of a deal? It seemes like the only mistake was Hart announcing it. Had they done it behind the scene noone would be saying anything
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Yeah there's no point in rushing it now. It's not like we have any coaching vacancies that we're waiting to fill right now. I say at this point just let them do their due diligence.
 
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I personally think it's been PF for a while, and administration is just making sure that the search is very thorough so fans won't throw a pity party whenever their candidate doesn't get chosen.
 
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NegaVols need time to get their game plan for destroying the new hire. The uncertainty is very stressful to them.
 
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chargervol said:
I'm completely lost what you guys are talking about.

Alabama didn't announce the impending retirement of their ad, they still knew about it. You just have the new guy in before the old one leaves, that's all. It's not that difficult.
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We aren't talking about a school bus driver here. It is a LOT more difficult than that. Where has it been said that Alabama knew about the AD retirement for 7 months? In any case Alabama's handling of the publicity of the situation is a perfect example of the incompetence of our own administration.
 
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Volfan76 said:
We aren't talking about a school bus driver here. It is a LOT more difficult than that. Where has it been said that Alabama knew about the AD retirement for 7 months? In any case Alabama's handling of the publicity of the situation is a perfect example of the incompetence of our own administration.
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That's what was said, the only mistake was announcing publicly.
Alabama's ad was in a fight for his life with cancer, do you really think they didn't know?
That they hadn't already discussed his retirement?
Serious question I would like that answer.


Why is everyone acting like this is the first time and AD has been hired by a University?

Sometimes they even fire the old one before they have the new one. This is not the uncharted territory you guys are trying to act like it is. Lol
 
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chargervol said:
I'm completely lost what you guys are talking about.

Alabama didn't announce the impending retirement of their ad, they still knew about it. You just have the new guy in before the old one leaves, that's all. It's not that difficult.
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i think that's the biggest deal. if Hart's retirement had not been announced 9 months ago..., and say was announced in March, and then later that month we hired Fulmer, Blackburn, Morrison or whoever, the transition would have been viewed as seamless.

they allowed this appearance of ineptitude to fester by making it all public way back when, now they have to produce answers, and speculation runs rampant.

again, it still all goes back to leadership. why/how no one saw any of this coming a year ago, at least as a potential reaction, is beyond me.

the whole thing is just dumb. they've allowed this debate over fulmer and blackburn to grow to a place it had no business getting to, and they could have prevented by simply saying "Dave, we accept your resignation, and congratulate you on your pending retirement, however, we won't announce this until after the Chancellor is in place, and in office, sometime late Feb, early March 2017".
 
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jakez4ut said:
i think that's the biggest deal. if Hart's retirement had not been announced 9 months ago..., and say was announced in March, and then later that month we hired Fulmer, Blackburn, Morrison or whoever, the transition would have been viewed as seamless.

they allowed this appearance of ineptitude to fester by making it all public way back when, now they have to produce answers, and speculation runs rampant.

again, it still all goes back to leadership. why/how no one saw any of this coming a year ago, at least as a potential reaction, is beyond me.

the whole thing is just dumb. they've allowed this debate over fulmer and blackburn to grow to a place it had no business getting to, and they could have prevented by simply saying "Dave, we accept your resignation, and congratulate you on your pending retirement, however, we won't announce this until after the Chancellor is in place, and in office, sometime late Feb, early March 2017".
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No I agree Jake.
I wish they hadn't announced it so early. But that's it, as you pointed out. You used the word "appearance" and that's the bottom line.
And media will write whatever gets attention from a fanbase, so as long as were up in arms about it, they will write stories.

It's the other part I'm talking about, there's not work being neglected.

Sometimes people get fired from these high positions because of conduct issues and they go through a couple of months search with no one in that position. This isn't a train wreck from the work standpoint, only the appearance standpoint.
 
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volfannbama said:
Is it really that big of a deal? It seemes like the only mistake was Hart announcing it. Had they done it behind the scene noone would be saying anything
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Forget Had. Had is a frog in a blender now. When he announced, the 300 clowns packed in a single Volkswagon showed up, and we need more volunteers to fill the pie pans with whipped cream.

We need a picture illustration. How Bama handled Battle's retirement? Right!

How Tennessee handles Hart retiring? Wrong.

Who gets the job no longer matters. Might as well let Smokey dress up like Bozo.
 
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I put my name in, guys.

Looking forward to leveraging the brilliant insight here to #MakeVolunteersGreatAgain.
 
#46
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orange parmejohn said:
I guess you've missed the negative national attention that the university's ineptitude has drawn. That stuff kinda matters a little bit.
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Oh, it's a PR cluster for sure. They needed to hold off on Hart's announcement until about March. I just don't think it matters at this point whether the AD is announced next week or in 2 months.
 
#48
#48
This whole thing has been botched terribly. Wasn't Hart supposed to have retired before now? I think so. It is generally wise not to announce a retirement unless you are close to lining up a replacement. As is Hart has been a lame duck for months, nothing happened to find a new AD for months, and it is still dragging on.

I lay this debacle on the president. Why, for example, is the Chancellor supposed to be the final word on a new AD. That's my understanding. Why not the president? So Cheek, our former chancellor, along with the UT president, decide they don't want to extend Hart's contract. Fine, whatever: I think Hart has done a good job, myself. After making this decision, Cheek himself leaves or retires--and then we are told that the new chancellor must weigh in or approve a new AD, which is a bit of a problem because the university is months in finding a replacement for Cheek. And meantime a belated search committee is formed, including Manning, and nobody really seems to know what the f--k they are doing. It's been embarrassing.
 
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#49
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I thought the plan was always for him to stick around until June.
 
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