Which SEC teams are in danger of losing 3 more games in 2017 than in 2016?

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If one could only convince everybody that his OPINION is gospel and preclude a season's results...
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BeardedVol said:
You're post is an attempt to gloss over the shortcomings of the past two seasons, and paint them as some sort indicator that 2017 is going to a NC-capable team. All-the-while, completely disregarding the fact that nearly all of the playmakers from the 2015 and 2016 season sare not on the roster in 2017. It's definitely one of the most illogical predictions that you've tried to pedal on here.

Team 120's "inconsistency" has no bearing what-so-ever on team 121 being successful; it's a complete non sequitur. Besides inconsistency is a relative statement, and team 120 was actual consistently unprepared to play 60 minutes of football every Saturday.

As far as hiring Rock Gullickson goes, having an actual S&C coordinator is definitely better than not having one as we saw last season, but judging from the St.Louis Ram's record while he was on board, "the edge" that you seem to think he will put on the team doesn't seem to be very sharp. Hopefully he has a new whet stone for his time at UT.
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This is hardly the most illogical prediction I've made on here!

There you go using "every" again. They were prepared to play 60 minutes of football, they just couldn't and didn't. They played two complete games Tn Tech on a Saturday and Nebraska. Was that a Thursday?

To day the players that have been on all 3 teams can't draw from the experiences of 119 and 120 to make 121 the best or the three, discounts experience too much.

Maybe it's not NFL quality "edge", but who's to state as fact that it won't be an elite college "edge".

120 was in shape, they seemed to be strong, but they were accident prone. Maybe it's just me but 120 had players getting injured left and right.

They need a committee to decide if we need to hire an injury consultant to tell us football is a violent. Was it the Big 12 getting sued over players getting hurt playing football? Are they the conference that don't have 12 teams or is that the Big 10 that don't have 10 teams.? What a joke!
 
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butchna said:
If one could only convince everybody that his OPINION is gospel and preclude a season's results...
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Because it's logical to use the failures and shortcomings of the 2015 and 2016 seasons, as indicators of National Championship-level success in 2017?

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BeardedVol said:
Because it's logical to use the failures and shortcomings of the 2015 and 2016 seasons, as indicators of National Championship-level success in 2017?

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I was using the successes of 2015 and the successes of 2016 to come to a logical conclusion that 121 could get it together and have a great year.

2015 we had good 1st halves of games.
2015 we had success late in the year.

2016 we had good 2nd halves of games.
2016 we had success early in the year.

Take the best of 119 and 120 and logically 121 will be ballin' all day every gameday(I would say every Saturday but we play GTech on a Monday. What's our record on Mondays? 5-2?
 
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BeardedVol said:
Absolutely ridiculous statement. How many times in the last 4 years have ween watched the D get gassed and start giving up big plays because of the 3-in-outs on the offensive side of the ball?



Gee, looks like a pattern maybe?



Only in the eyes of us Vols fans; we've not even stayed relevant in the the division title race the last 4 years, much less the conference title race.



Lol.



No. We were a choke-prone coached team who consistently got uptight and ultra-conservative with the playcalling once UT had any sort of lead.



Because we had a come back in the second half against Florida we were a second half team? How'd we play in the second half of the App State/Ohio/USCe/Vandy games?



That's because the second half of our season is filled with SECe cellar dwellers.



The team looked as unprepared and sloppy in the first half, as they did in the second half. We struggled against every opponent regardless of their skill or talent level



Pure speculation based on blind hope in the face of the reality that we're breaking in a new QB with little college playing time, or zero college playing time. We have a new OC with zero OC experience at any level. We lost both of our starting running backs, and we lost the majority of the consistent talent and production on our defense.



Adding that to the end of all your posts, makes it very difficult to take your opinions seriously.
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Well I actually do agree with the last quote lol -- Isnt this the poster that had Jump higher Vols in every post last season ?
 
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BeardedVol said:
You're post is an attempt to gloss over the shortcomings of the past two seasons, and paint them as some sort indicator that 2017 is going to a NC-capable team. All-the-while, completely disregarding the fact that nearly all of the playmakers from the 2015 and 2016 season sare not on the roster in 2017. It's definitely one of the most illogical predictions that you've tried to pedal on here.

Team 120's "inconsistency" has no bearing what-so-ever on team 121 being successful; it's a complete non sequitur. Besides inconsistency is a relative statement, and team 120 was actual consistently unprepared to play 60 minutes of football every Saturday.

As far as hiring Rock Gullickson goes, having an actual S&C coordinator is definitely better than not having one as we saw last season, but judging from the St.Louis Ram's record while he was on board, "the edge" that you seem to think he will put on the team over the next six months doesn't seem to be very sharp. Hopefully he has a new whet stone for his time at UT.
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But but realease the beast!

J/k
 
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Iam4utalways said:
This is hardly the most illogical prediction I've made on here!

There you go using "every" again. They were prepared to play 60 minutes of football, they just couldn't and didn't. They played two complete games Tn Tech on a Saturday and Nebraska. Was that a Thursday?

To day the players that have been on all 3 teams can't draw from the experiences of 119 and 120 to make 121 the best or the three, discounts experience too much.

Maybe it's not NFL quality "edge", but who's to state as fact that it won't be an elite college "edge".

120 was in shape, they seemed to be strong, but they were accident prone. Maybe it's just me but 120 had players getting injured left and right.

They need a committee to decide if we need to hire an injury consultant to tell us football is a violent. Was it the Big 12 getting sued over players getting hurt playing football? Are they the conference that don't have 12 teams or is that the Big 10 that don't have 10 teams.? What a joke!
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Tennessee tech...lol

I doubt anyone would categorize team 120 as strong. When 300 linemen are getting pushed around by 250 linemen, that is not strong.

As far as injury / accident probe, Coach Jones said that he purposely laid off hitting as much in practice to avoid injuries. I would expect that at change this season. But i think that has a direct result on the amount of injuries this year. I cant blame him for doing that, but it obviously backfired
 
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volfannbama said:
Tennessee tech...lol

I doubt anyone would categorize team 120 as strong. When 300 linemen are getting pushed around by 250 linemen, that is not strong.

As far as injury / accident probe, Coach Jones said that he purposely laid off hitting as much in practice to avoid injuries. I would expect that at change this season. But i think that has a direct result on the amount of injuries this year. I cant blame him for doing that, but it obviously backfired
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Nebraska players did, they don't count for much, but they are people.
 
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Iam4utalways said:
Nebraska players did, they don't count for much, but they are people.
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Not sure what you are talking about. Our 300 lbs lineman struggled against the likes of Ohio and App St and were straight hammered by top competition. Luckily, Dobbs and Kamara were just insane and about to compensate.
 
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volfannbama said:
Tennessee tech...lol

I doubt anyone would categorize team 120 as strong. When 300 linemen are getting pushed around by 250 linemen, that is not strong.

As far as injury / accident probe, Coach Jones said that he purposely laid off hitting as much in practice to avoid injuries. I would expect that at change this season. But i think that has a direct result on the amount of injuries this year. I cant blame him for doing that, but it obviously backfired
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I've yet to see a break down of our injuries and how they could have been prevented.

I've seen general assumptions that for the big picture hold water, but a detailed breakdown of each injury, not so much.

We have a strength, conditioning, and sleep program, sure there's lots to be considered when it comes to injury, but the most important is the velocity at which our players converge on a point of interest(the ball), while our opposition is doing the same.

It would run the ink out of a Cross(that's a type of pen) just writing out all the injuries and a detailed account with the intended plan of correction.

The ball is in your hands Rock. Don't drop the ball. Not trying to change the subject, is it asking too much for our guys to hold on to the ball better?
 
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volfannbama said:
Not sure what you are talking about. Our 300 lbs lineman struggled against the likes of Ohio and App St and were straight hammered by top competition. Luckily, Dobbs and Kamara were just insane and about to compensate.
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Nebraska players after the MCB were interviewed and complimented us on the strength of our players.

Out offense was predictable, key on the RB's 1st movement, crash the gaps and everybody looks like a hero when they guess right. That needs to change or the QB needs to make the right read more often.

It's three options, give to the RB, QB keeps and runs or QB keeps and throws. If they are blitzing we should be throwing, that's the intended purpose of the option we run. Other times there are called plays and our QB has to be ready to change the play(audible) based off what the defense is showing.
 
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Iam4utalways said:
Nebraska players after the MCB were interviewed and complimented us on the strength of our players.

Out offense was predictable, key on the RB's 1st movement, crash the gaps and everybody looks like a hero when they guess right. That needs to change or the QB needs to make the right read more often.

It's three options, give to the RB, QB keeps and runs or QB keeps and throws. If they are blitzing we should be throwing, that's the intended purpose of the option we run. Other times there are called plays and our QB has to be ready to change the play(audible) based off what the defense is showing.
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Thats great that we found strength against nebraska. We did not have it agaisnt app st and ohio. If you we did, we were not watching the same game.
Agaisnt teams like that, a vanilla offense should be irrelevant. We should be able to give them our plays and run over them.
 
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volfannbama said:
Thats great that we found strength against nebraska. We did not have it agaisnt app st and ohio. If you we did, we were not watching the same game.
Agaisnt teams like that, a vanilla offense should be irrelevant. We should be able to give them our plays and run over them.
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I think maybe some people have forgotten how that game looked, when pretty much everyone was healthy, and we had literally months to prepare.

Here's a refresher...

[youtube]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mZm3ZODSJwc[/youtube]

The lack of preparation, and the poor coaching in this game, did more to erode my faith that CBJ will ever have Tennessee competing for SEC championships, then the previous three seasons.
 
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Everybody's overlooking UK in Lexington. Vols get them the week after playing Bama OTR. They consider the Vols their top SEC rival. Could be a tough game.
 
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I can't see us losing 7 games next year. CBJ lost 7 games his first year here with a lot less talent than this 2017 team. If he loses 7 games, he will out the door. I'm afraid it's another 8 win season.
 
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7 wins is the ceiling for this bunch. Very easily could be 6-6 or 5-7 given our penchant for injuries.
 
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volfannbama said:
Thats great that we found strength against nebraska. We did not have it agaisnt app st and ohio. If you we did, we were not watching the same game.
Agaisnt teams like that, a vanilla offense should be irrelevant. We should be able to give them our plays and run over them.
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Nah, it just proves how weak Nebraska is.

Was Ohio the game we missed Malone wide open 3 times deep?

With App st and Ohio we should be able to play with only 9 or 10 on the field and still handle business.

Somebody should come up with a clever little saying similar to the "ifs and buts" saying but for "should". Against App st it felt like the twilight zone(that's an old TV show, not the vampire soap opera books and movies).

Edit: If should was wood, we'd all get laid.

My favorite is the one about ifs and fifths and getting drunk.
 
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