Immigration Ban

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luthervol said:
Spicer now insisting it's not a ban even though he and Trump have both refereed to it as a ban multiple times.
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Yes. His back and forth exchange with Kristen Welker was bizarre. According to Spicer, the media is to blame now when Trump uses words he shouldn't in his own tweets.
 
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05_never_again said:
I don't think it is necessarily the polls that can't be trusted. It is the people interpreting them (e.g., the media) who can't be.

Hillary Clinton had a 2-4 percentage point lead in the national poll a few days before the election. She won the popular vote by 2.1%. Polls in individual swing states, which is what people should have been paying sole attention to anyway (instead of that national poll), were all within the MoE.

The real BS was coming from places like the NYT, whose Upshot predictor never had Hillary below something like an 85% chance of winning. It was routinely in the mid-90s for Clinton. There was another predictor from Princeton that gave her a 97% chance of winning. I would love to know what inputs were being put into that model.

I'm just some dude in front of a computer, but even I could tell you that, simply based on publicly available swing state polling, Trump's chances of winning were much, much better than 5-15%. Probably something more like 35-40%. He was still an underdog, but not the long shot the media wanted you to believe.
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Trump's chances climbed up to about 30-35% on the 538 model and Silver was getting torn apart for even suggesting there was that much of a chance.

Nate Silver Is Unskewing Polls -- All Of Them -- In Trump's Direction | The Huffington Post

And then on election day, just hours before the polls closed, a professor wrote this article on HuffPo, as if the results were a foregone conclusion. Just hours later his declarations would be proven false.

I'm A Stats Prof. Here's Why Nate Silver's Model Was All Over The Place. | The Huffington Post

538's model was damn good compared to the others, which were based on the faulty premise that turnout for Clinton would approach that of Obama. The popular vote polls were also very solid, but something was awry in the Rust Belt. +5 swings to Trump in OH, PA, WI, and MI compared to the data of most firms.
 
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Orangedogsrule said:
Saw a Homeland Security Deputy something or other over Border issues of some kind laughing about how, the once again silly, MSM is locked on the word, "ban", like our Luther is.

When you consider how many Muslim countrys there are in the world vs the number on the watch list; to say the Ex.Order is anti Islam is ..well, I'll say bizzare. When the administration has said, over, and over, and over, and over...it's not permanent, but only for the time it takes to get a proper handle on vetting people from those countrys.

He found the MSM disingenous. Are you disingenous Luther? Do you just want to argue the semantics of "ban" vs "temporary ban" vs "moratorium" vs what ever other synonym fits.

It's very much like when KellyAnne, in the heat of a national interview made the unfortunate choice of words, "alternate facts" when "a different set of data" would have not set off a firestorm.

I believe it's called, "straining at a gnat", or possibly more appropriately, "take the log out of your own eye so you can see to remove the speck in mine."
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It's fair to say that's it's silly to make a big deal over a change in semantics but Sean Spicer did more than that today... Trump called it a "ban" in both a tweet and a press conference and Spicer said that it wasn't a ban and that he was just using a word the media used (as if he shouldn't be accountable for his own language and the confusion over semantics was entirely the fault of the media).
 
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BowlBrother85 said:
It's fair to say that's it's silly to make a big deal over a change in semantics but Sean Spicer did more than that today... Trump called it a "ban" in both a tweet and a press conference and Spicer said that it wasn't a ban and that he was just using a word the media used (as if he shouldn't be accountable for his owns language).
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Man, that dude is going to earn his pay while trump is still calling the shots. He's going to age harder than Obama did. Modern day Baghdad Bob.
 
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Australia has strict immigration policies and it seems like a fine country.

This idea that America has to let everyone in, or it isn't a great country, is utter nonsense.
 
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tumscalcium said:
Perhaps bringing in a garbage culture does not amount to decent living? Who would have thought?
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If they would assimilate into the country's culture that they immigrate into, everything would be fine. You can't go to another country and expect them to adapt to your own values and traditions and be accepted.
 
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allvol123 said:
Australia has strict immigration policies and it seems like a fine country.

This idea that America has to let everyone in, or it isn't a great country, is utter nonsense.
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What we should do is send in ICEto all of the protest rally's that's where most of the illegals are
 
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VolStrom said:
If they would assimilate into the country's culture that they immigrate into, everything would be fine. You can't go to another country and expect them to adapt to your own values and traditions and be accepted.
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I disagree. First generation assimilation is not an important component of immigration. Immigrants just need to learn the laws of their new country and abide by them. After that, whatever they choose to make of their new life is up to them. The United States has never been a melting pot. Immigrants change countries more than countries change immigrants. That's true everywhere and it's not exclusive to Muslims. There was mass immigration in the late 70's from Cuba into south Florida... For the most part, the first generation of those Cuban immigrants did not assimilate. They simply made Miami the new Havana. You do eventually see assimilation by the 3rd generation but most of them still abide by the customs of their parents/grandparents. It would be the same thing with Muslims. Assimilation does eventually happen but not in the first wave.
 
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Mods...freak

It still will not let me post in the gramos memorial thread...says invalid thread specified comtact admin...and now all threads were in bold just a minute ago meaning new posts in all...i clicked on 1 thread and all threads arent bold anymore like i opened and read all posts in all of them. Vn is trippin again...i am on mobile, samsung..always. have never been here from a pc ever. Help please
 
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marcusluvsvols said:
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It still will not let me post in the gramos memorial thread...says invalid thread specified comtact admin...and now all threads were in bold just a minute ago meaning new posts in all...i clicked on 1 thread and all threads arent bold anymore like i opened and read all posts in all of them. Vn is trippin again...i am on mobile, samsung..always. have never been here from a pc ever. Help please
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