SEC Coaching Grades

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landscapingvol said:
Imagine that? Someone disagrees with the miserable dolts on Volnation, I can hardly believe my eyes.
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So you're good with Jones' B+ here? After losing the East last year due to losses to SCar and Vandy? Care to show your work regarding why you think B+ is the right grade for Jones?
 
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BeardedVol said:
14-18 in conference play translates to a B+? Did he get points for participation or something?
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How many conference games should he have won with that loaded roster he had his first two seasons?? You seem to have all the answers and could have done a much better job considering how much you complain and criticize on a daily basis. Also, four of those losses are against Bama. Other than a few great performances by Chad Kelly, who has had great success against them? I know that you believe that UT should beat Bama on a regular basis but facts don't support your views.
 
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MiramarVol said:
What do you think of CBJ's B+ rating?
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Are they only being graded against each other (meaning only SEC coaches)? Is this grading their 2016 performance or total body of work as an SEC coach? There's no way that Butch is that close to Saban nationally as a coach. Perhaps in the context of the SEC he fares better but I still would not put him. And if you are talking total body of work since becoming an SEC HC then I don't see how you rate him equal or better than Sumlin, Freeze, Mullin and McElwain. I'm not saying those guys are on the level of Saban but clearly better than Butch.
 
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KBVol said:
4 full recruiting classes, has completely turned the roster over and then some, has had 2 top 10 classes and we still need to wait for him to build depth? Why?

He's done an outstanding job rebuilding the roster and all things off the field (APR, high school coach relationships, PR, selling the brand, getting former players back involved, etc), and he's done a decent job improving the record.....but he's also lost 5-6 games he had no business losing and is clearly a substandard game day coach.

The overall job he's done to date in some phases deserves much praise and in other phases much criticism. He's not yet won so much as a division title in a bad SEC East and, imo, doesn't deserve a B+, especially if he's getting a higher grade than guys like Sumlin, Mullen, Freeze and Malzahn and losing to teams like SCar and Vandy and squeezing by a bad team like App State. I think he deserves a B+ or A- for his off the field work and more like a C or C- for his game day accomplishments. Overall, probably more like a C+ or so.
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Butch is no better than a C. For every accomplishment there is an equal or worse failure.
 
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KBVol said:
So you're good with Jones' B+ here? After losing the East last year due to losses to SCar and Vandy? Care to show your work regarding why you think B+ is the right grade for Jones?
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I am not the one giving the grades and neither are you. No one cares about our opinions so I will leave it up to those that make the decisions. Other coaches don't have the same opinion of CBJ that a few posters on Volnation do, neither do a majority of UT fans. So, you and your ilk are the ones that continue to complain on a daily basis. Maybe he realizes how injuries depleted an already thin roster? Maybe he understands that by simply having an orange T on the side of the helmet doesn't automatically mean 8-9 wins every season? Maybe he understands that competing with Alabama is unattainable by 99.9% of the college football world including UT? There are a lot of reasons you don't seem to grasp.
 
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landscapingvol said:
How many conference games should he have won with that loaded roster he had his first two seasons?? You seem to have all the answers and could have done a much better job considering how much you complain and criticize on a daily basis. Also, four of those losses are against Bama. Other than a few great performances by Chad Kelly, who has had great success against them? I know that you believe that UT should beat Bama on a regular basis but facts don't support your views.
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So everyone who disagrees with you is a "miserable dolt", including CBJ's conference record? Butch has several conference games, not against Alabama, that are losses that he had the talent to win and got out-coached. Off the top of my head 2016 USCe, and Vandy, 2015 Florida and Arkansas, 2014 Florida and Missouri, 2013 Vanderbilt.

See, Alabama is not even mentioned, but feel free to respond with another straw man argument at your discretion.
 
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MWAVolfan said:
Are they only being graded against each other (meaning only SEC coaches)? Is this grading their 2016 performance or total body of work as an SEC coach? There's no way that Butch is that close to Saban nationally as a coach. Perhaps in the context of the SEC he fares better but I still would not put him. And if you are talking total body of work since becoming an SEC HC then I don't see how you rate him equal or better than Sumlin, Freeze, Mullin and McElwain. I'm not saying those guys are on the level of Saban but clearly better than Butch.
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I'm not sure. There were no metrics to see what was formulated.
 
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landscapingvol said:
I am not the one giving the grades and neither are you. No one cares about our opinions so I will leave it up to those that make the decisions. Other coaches don't have the same opinion of CBJ that a few posters on Volnation do, neither do a majority of UT fans. So, you and your ilk are the ones that continue to complain on a daily basis. Maybe he realizes how injuries depleted an already thin roster? Maybe he understands that by simply having an orange T on the side of the helmet doesn't automatically mean 8-9 wins every season? Maybe he understands that competing with Alabama is unattainable by 99.9% of the college football world including UT? There are a lot of reasons you don't seem to grasp.
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I don't complain about Jones on a daily basis. Perhaps you could scroll up a few posts and read where I said he's worthy of a B+ or A with the work he's done off the field in rebuilding the program...he deserves great praise for that.

I didn't start this random thread, didn't start one saying he sucks, just offered one, as you said, fairly meaningless opinion.

Just thought that rather than nagging and droning on about posters with whom you disagree, that you might actually offer an opinion and reasons for how you arrived at it....guess you're not interested in that. Continue your griping....
 
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KBVol said:
So you're good with Jones' B+ here? After losing the East last year due to losses to SCar and Vandy? Care to show your work regarding why you think B+ is the right grade for Jones?
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What if CBJ beats Vandy and USCe, do you think that would give him at least an "A"?
 
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KBVol said:
4 full recruiting classes, has completely turned the roster over and then some, has had 2 top 10 classes and we still need to wait for him to build depth? Why?

He's done an outstanding job rebuilding the roster and all things off the field (APR, high school coach relationships, PR, selling the brand, getting former players back involved, etc), and he's done a decent job improving the record.....but he's also lost 5-6 games he had no business losing and is clearly a substandard game day coach.

The overall job he's done to date in some phases deserves much praise and in other phases much criticism. He's not yet won so much as a division title in a bad SEC East and, imo, doesn't deserve a B+, especially if he's getting a higher grade than guys like Sumlin, Mullen, Freeze and Malzahn and losing to teams like SCar and Vandy and squeezing by a bad team like App State. I think he deserves a B+ or A- for his off the field work and more like a C or C- for his game day accomplishments. Overall, probably more like a C+ or so.
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couldnt agree much more with this rational breakdown. can i like (thumbs up) twice?
 
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I would've gone B+ before last season.
Probably B- now. Would have gone C but I still believe defensive woes were our biggest Achilles. Scored enough to beat most of our opponents but couldn't stop them.

I know he's not really a defensive mind but he's still the head coach and responsible.
So I split the difference.
 
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I'll go ahead and subject myself to the punishment.

Saban A+
Malzahn B
Freeze B (Subject to further reduction for cheating on test)
Mullen B
McElwain B
Butch C+
Bielema C+
Sumlin C+
Stoops D
Mason D
Muschamp D
Smart D
Orgeron F
Odom F-
 
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MiramarVol said:
What if CBJ beats Vandy and USCe, do you think that would give him at least an "A"?
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No. Winning games vs much less talented teams who you were supposed to beat doesn't elevate your grade.....but losing to said teams it drops it. Beat some good teams like TAM and Alabama when you're the underdog and your grade goes up.

Fact is though, he didn't win those games and as such, doesn't deserve a grade of B+ Imo. Can't be a B+ coach while not winning your division and still answering questions about player development and poor game day coaching.
 
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One Word: Attrition

I know I'm off a little, but this should give you an idea of those who didn't pan out nor contribute.


2012: Blanc, Bonner, J. Carter, C. Harris, Howard, J. King, Naz Oliver, Orta, Omari Phillips, Q. Watson,

2013: D. Bowles, Branisel, Carr, J. Johnson, Lemond Johnson, Juin, O'Brien, Pair, Peterman, Quinn, Swafford, Tino Thomas, Wegzyn

2014: Creamer, Ferguson, Henderson, Hendrix, Jenkins, Paulk, Raulerson, Rochell, Sawyers, Wharton,

2015: Lacey, Oliver, Perry, Zach Stewart, PWill
 
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wesleydmartin said:
lol

(noticed that updated pic too!)
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I'm amazed I haven't been asked "well, if it wasn't your savior Butch's fault, what was it?" Haha.

Can't tell from the pic, but he had 3 tennis balls in his mouth. The only reason he didn't have four was that last one wouldn't fit. Not from the lack of trying tho. Lol.

For the record, I give Butch a grade of C-. I wouldn't disagree with anyone that gave him a D+ or a B- tho.
 
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BigOrangeMojo said:
I'll go ahead and subject myself to the punishment.

Saban A+
Malzahn B
Freeze B (Subject to further reduction for cheating on test)
Mullen B
McElwain B How on earth is he a B guy? He's backed his way into the East twice
Butch C+ Butch should be grouped with Muschamp and Mason he can't beat one and is .500 against the other
Bielema C+ I actually think Bret is better than this a low grade B-
Sumlin C+ To me he's no different than Malzahn he's flashy and can score quickly but if it doesent hit they lose
Stoops D Stoops earned a C
Mason D
Muschamp D
Smart D
Orgeron F Held Bama to 10 points and earned an F? Like him or not he's a damn good coach and motivator
Odom F-
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Just my opinion
 
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KBVol said:
4 full recruiting classes, has completely turned the roster over and then some, has had 2 top 10 classes and we still need to wait for him to build depth? Why?

He's done an outstanding job rebuilding the roster and all things off the field (APR, high school coach relationships, PR, selling the brand, getting former players back involved, etc), and he's done a decent job improving the record.....but he's also lost 5-6 games he had no business losing and is clearly a substandard game day coach.

The overall job he's done to date in some phases deserves much praise and in other phases much criticism. He's not yet won so much as a division title in a bad SEC East and, imo, doesn't deserve a B+, especially if he's getting a higher grade than guys like Sumlin, Mullen, Freeze and Malzahn and losing to teams like SCar and Vandy and squeezing by a bad team like App State. I think he deserves a B+ or A- for his off the field work and more like a C or C- for his game day accomplishments. Overall, probably more like a C+ or so.
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Solid
 
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And to think....we beat APPY by pure luck. Hurd happen to be standing at the right place and reacted at the right time. That was another coached unprepared game.

Team 120 looked softer compared to last yr imo. Can't help but think Lawson was a main reason they were tougher in 2015
 
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Behr said:
I'm amazed I haven't been asked "well, if it wasn't your savior Butch's fault, what was it?" Haha.

Can't tell from the pic, but he had 3 tennis balls in his mouth. The only reason he didn't have four was that last one wouldn't fit. Not from the lack of trying tho. Lol.

For the record, I give Butch a grade of C-. I wouldn't disagree with anyone that gave him a D+ or a B- tho.
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Bold 1: I dont doubt it for the world, got a bulldog that does the EXACT same and cant ever seem to figure out how/why one falls out, i could waste hours laughing at and trying to assist the poor guy.

Bold 2: C- is right about where i am too, i think off the field like a High A, but bone head decisions on the field/clock management and with players have left me befuddled to even out an overall C to C-
 
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BigOrangeMojo said:
I'll go ahead and subject myself to the punishment.

Saban A+
Malzahn B
Freeze B (Subject to further reduction for cheating on test)
Mullen B
McElwain B
Butch C+
Bielema C+
Sumlin C+
Stoops D
Mason D
Muschamp D
Smart D
Orgeron F
Odom F-
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I know it's your opinion and I can't argue with most of this anyway, but Freeze did nothing this year to deserve a 'B'. Our fans are so quick to grade Freeze out higher than Jones, and I just can't understand it. What Jones and Freeze have done at their respective stops is very comparable. And in fact, if Jones were to have a year 5 like Freeze just had, there isn't a UT fan out there that wouldn't be calling for his job. Freeze and Sumlin have each gotten a whole lot of mileage out of upsetting Bama and I think it's skewed the perception of their overall accomplishments a bit, in the eyes of UT fans anyway.

FWIW, I would give Jones the exact same grade you did.
 
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