Immigration Ban

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#351
President Trump to lefties: BTFO. Makes them look like 10 year olds
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tumscalcium said:
Dressing up as a vagina doesn't work too well for defense. But go ahead and let us know how it goes.
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Tums, here's a pro tip for you: in order to be witty on occasion, your witticism has to have some bearing, however remote, on the topic at hand.
 
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volprof said:
Whatever you say, VolBannon.
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I'm sure your extensive combat experience with multiple branch operators has taught you something different?






Oh yeah wait..no..



Don't worry VolProflunitrazipam..when the cooks, finance clerks, secretary's, and quartermaster assistants rise to the challenge..you will be saved!
 
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FLVOL_79 said:
I'm sure your extensive combat experience with multiple branch operators has taught you something different?






Oh yeah wait..no..



Don't worry VolProflunitrazipam..when the cooks, finance clerks, secretary's, and quartermaster assistants rise to the challenge..you will be saved!
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Whatever sordid plans you and your cohort have planned domestically, you can rest assured that real conservatives will be there to counter you.

There aren't many of them left anymore, that's true, but there's still enough, and not all of them voted for Trump.
 
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#357
How many refugees have committed terrorist attacks on American soil?

How many terrorist attacks have been committed on American soil by individuals from these seven nations?
 
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volprof said:
Well, that settles it.

I'm convinced now. All sounds like a great idea after all.

I was wrong.

Ban away.
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Yeah... we should just forget about Trump specifically calling for a Muslim ban in December of 2015. This facebook post (which he obviously didn't write) makes everything okay.

Also, you can't ignore the huge difference in both the circumstances of the Iraq ban and in the way these were implemented. The fact is that there was nothing in place to deal with those who were already in transit. No coordination with the DOJ or DHS just mass chaos.
 
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BowlBrother85 said:
Yeah... we should just forget about Trump specifically calling for a Muslim ban in December of 2015. This facebook post (which he obviously didn't write) makes everything okay.

Also, you can't ignore the huge difference in both the circumstances of the Iraq ban and in the way these were implemented. The fact is that there was nothing in place to deal with those who were already in transit. No coordination with the DOJ or DHS just mass chaos.
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This is so cute. It's ok for Obama, not for Trump. I love you guys.
 
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UTCVol said:
How many refugees have committed terrorist attacks on American soil?

How many terrorist attacks have been committed on American soil by individuals from these seven nations?
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President Trump is going to do his best to ensure it doesn't happen. Sorry you have a problem with that.
 
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golfballs said:
President Trump is going to do his best to ensure it doesn't happen. Sorry you have a problem with that.
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I don't agree with the plan because it's tantamount to chasing ghosts, especially when to my knowledge there has never been a terrorist attack on US soil perpetrated by an individual from these nations. The origins of these terrorists are not exactly a secret, either.

However, my main issue is that upon its rollout it affected people who live and work in America and contribute more than their share to our economy. It was shoddily enacted.
 
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tumscalcium said:
Exactly. Let them have them. Why is this even an issue? There are plenty of countries asking to be ruined.
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This is what your cohort doesn't understand.

For real conservatives, it's not about the refugees. While I feel sympathy for them, I put American national security above any one of their individual plights. Talk about taking in 100,000 of them, for instance, is foolish.

But, here's the thing: doing a ban like this will only alienate allies and potential allies in the War on Terror, with significant and disastrous effects upon our security, both at home and abroad.

We have a president who has now pissed off at least half the Muslim world, whether their nation was on the list or not, and there will be real and unintended consequences (well, perhaps intended) to this. Our intelligence on terrorists, our ability to track, arrest, and even fight them here and abroad - whether in Europe or the Middle East - is about to take a significant hit.

As a result of this little stunt, so that Bannon and Flynn could make their power move over the weekend with the NSC while we focus on the refugee ban, more Americans will die than what had to before this action.

This action will produce the exact opposite of what it purports to do.
 
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UTCVol said:
I don't agree with the plan because it's tantamount to chasing ghosts, especially when to my knowledge there has never been a terrorist attack on US soil perpetrated by an individual from these nations. The origins of these terrorists are not exactly a secret, either.

However, my main issue is that upon its rollout it affected people who live and work in America and contribute more than their share to our economy. It was shoddily enacted.
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That's a fair point. I think there were certainly some bumps but it appears those are being sorted out
 
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golfballs said:
That's a fair point. I think there were certainly some bumps but it appears those are being sorted out
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I actually said shortly after he introduced the idea that a plan like this, applied to nations with a history of terrorist activities, would make more sense than a blanket Muslim ban. However, I recognize that it would be politically and economically infeasible to include, say, the Saudis in this ban even though it's clear they're one of the worst of the lot. The exclusion of nations like that essentially reduces this EO to petty posturing.

Optics are important. I don't think the average American has a burning desire to let refugees pour in despite the shrieks of the media, but when other aspects are bungled the domestic and international perceptions change so that it's more difficult for Trump to accomplish anything.
 
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Gross incompetence

"The malevolence of President Trump’s Executive Order on visas and refugees is mitigated chiefly—and perhaps only—by the astonishing incompetence of its drafting and construction.

NBC is reporting that the document was not reviewed by DHS, the Justice Department, the State Department, or the Department of Defense, and that National Security Council lawyers were prevented from evaluating it. Moreover, the New York Times writes that Customs and Border Protection and U.S. Citizen and Immigration Services, the agencies tasked with carrying out the policy, were only given a briefing call while Trump was actually signing the order itself. Yesterday, the Department of Justice gave a “no comment” when asked whether the Office of Legal Counsel had reviewed Trump’s executive orders—including the order at hand. (OLC normally reviews every executive order.)

This order reads to me, frankly, as though it was not reviewed by competent counsel at all.

CNN offers extraordinary details:

'Administration officials weren't immediately sure which countries' citizens would be barred from entering the United States. The Department of Homeland Security was left making a legal analysis on the order after Trump signed it. A Border Patrol agent, confronted with arriving refugees, referred questions only to the President himself, according to court filings. ...

It wasn't until Friday -- the day Trump signed the order banning travel from seven Muslim-majority countries for 90 days and suspending all refugee admission for 120 days -- that career homeland security staff were allowed to see the final details of the order, a person with the familiar the matter said.'" - Benjamim Wittes
 
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