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glichtenwalter said:
I am inclined to include if you receive government subsidies. However, the government manipulates commodities prices to make the things they approve of "cost effective" so it then drives the price of other things up. Let's start with the welfare recipients and eliminate government price meddling and then we'll see if we need to expand my voting suspension policy.
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Just seeing if OPEC type stuff is what you are talking about. Its not so just trying to see where you are coming from because I don't know.
 
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Mick said:
Just seeing if OPEC type stuff is what you are talking about. Its not so just trying to see where you are coming from because I don't know.
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I believe in free market economics.
 
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glichtenwalter said:
Public Education - This needs to be in the hands of the states. The federal government is to big and bloated. The states can better decide what education programs best suit their citizens needs
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I agree that our education system isn't all that effective and the government is bloated.

But turning over education completely to the states would mean millions of kids in states around the country would lose access to proper science curriculums and would only given the most white washed, watered down version of history possible. It would only take ten years or so before places like Texas are phasing evolution out of AP Biology and teaching that slavery had nothing to do with the civil war. Other southern states would follow suit most likely.

Liberal states would probably see a polarization of their own kind too with too much revisionist history and all kinds of wacko new feminism social science theories. As things stand now, we have a few different forces at work at various levels of the education system to keep things from going too far one way or the other for the most part in schools. Letting states do it all themselves would just create an even wider education gap.


People should be able to believe whatever they want to about science and history, of course. But we owe it to our future citizens and voters to at least present them with the most current facts and information we have and let them decide for themselves. Turning over education guidelines completely to the states would mean that many states could make their public schools echo chambers.


That's an even poorer recipe for producting voters who can make informed decisions than we already have.
 
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Darth_Shiveman said:
I agree that our education system isn't all that effective and the government is bloated.

But turning over education completely to the states would mean millions of kids in states around the country would lose access to proper science curriculums and would only given the most white washed, watered down version of history possible. It would only take ten years or so before places like Texas are phasing evolution out of AP Biology and teaching that slavery had nothing to do with the civil war. Other southern states would follow suit most likely.

Liberal states would probably see a polarization of their own kind too with too much revisionist history and all kinds of wacko new feminism social science theories. As things stand now, we have a few different forces at work at various levels of the education system to keep things from going too far one way or the other for the most part in schools. Letting states do it all themselves would just create an even wider education gap.


People should be able to believe whatever they want to about science and history, of course. But we owe it to our future citizens and voters to at least present them with the most current facts and information we have and let them decide for themselves. Turning over education guidelines completely to the states would mean that many states could make their public schools echo chambers.


That's an even poorer recipe for producting voters who can make informed decisions than we already have.
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The history and science our schools teach is already so watered down it is very sad. I have three kids and have to supplement their education even at a private school. If you don't like the curriculum in state x then feel free to move to state a or b or even c.
 
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bignewt said:
Their side didnt win therefore it is not relevant to how grossly inept our president us. If hilary won i assure you i would be railing against her just as hard.
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Problem is you're not attacking Trump, you are attacking the people that voted for him bypassing the ones that voted for Hillary. Until a viable, third party candidate emerges, we are stuck with what the Dems and the Republicans serve us. None of the parties ran a decent candidate, including the libertarians. Johnson had stuff I didn't like either and I usually agree with most of the libertarian platform.

Anyway, a vote for anybody but Trump was a vote for the pantsuit. There are very few people that I wouldn't have voted for over Hilary.
 
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InVOLuntary said:
Problem is you're not attacking Trump, you are attacking the people that voted for him bypassing the ones that voted for Hillary. Until a viable, third party candidate emerges, we are stuck with what the Dems and the Republicans serve us. None of the parties ran a decent candidate, including the libertarians. Johnson had stuff I didn't like either and I usually agree with most of the libertarian platform.

Anyway, a vote for anybody but Trump was a vote for the pantsuit. There are very few people that I wouldn't have voted for over Hilary.
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Different strokes/different folks
 
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glichtenwalter said:
The history and science our schools teach is already so watered down it is very sad. I have three kids and have to supplement their education even at a private school. If you don't like the curriculum in state x then feel free to move to state a or b or even c.
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I can confirm the watering down of science. Studying to be a Biology teacher. And every standard I must touch has "how have humans impacted..." We (humans) give ourselves too much credit
 
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Mick said:
There should be no such thing as illegal drugs in a free market and abortions are allowed if you can afford it. That kind of free market?
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That's fine if we don't have to clothe, feed, or provide medical care for abusers. They have to be taken care of by loved ones or family, otherwise they die in a ditch somewhere.
 
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Mick said:
There should be no such thing as illegal drugs in a free market and abortions are allowed if you can afford it. That kind of free market?
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See this is where it gets tricky. I believe that drugs are bad for you and I teach my children. However, under our current system, if someone is hooked on drugs it often costs the rest of us for their hospital visits, rehab, and other expenses when they are so strung out they can't care for themselves. So I do believe that drugs should be illegal but which ones? There's the rub.

As far as abortion, Darth and I have been round and round on this. There are studies that show a reduction in crime due to abortion but I argue that it is possible that the inventor of the cure to cancer or Alzheimers or the architect of middle east peace may have been aborted amongst the 1 million children that are killed each year. The majority of abortions take place, not because of rape or incest as many would like us to believe, but because the mother simply doesn't want the child for a variety of reasons. Maybe she isn't ready for a child or can't afford it or it will interfere with her career. I understand the it's my body argument that is put forth but the baby has a body too and a heart beat at approximately 5 weeks. We declare someone legally dead when their heart STOP beating so why aren't they legally alive when their heart STARTS beating. I don't believe in the free trade of abortions because I view it as murder and murder goes against God and is illegal by human standards as well.
 
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glichtenwalter said:
See this is where it gets tricky. I believe that drugs are bad for you and I teach my children. However, under our current system, if someone is hooked on drugs it often costs the rest of us for their hospital visits, rehab, and other expenses when they are so strung out they can't care for themselves. So I do believe that drugs should be illegal but which ones? There's the rub.

As far as abortion, Darth and I have been round and round on this. There are studies that show a reduction in crime due to abortion but I argue that it is possible that the inventor of the cure to cancer or Alzheimers or the architect of middle east peace may have been aborted amongst the 1 million children that are killed each year. The majority of abortions take place, not because of rape or incest as many would like us to believe, but because the mother simply doesn't want the child for a variety of reasons. Maybe she isn't ready for a child or can't afford it or it will interfere with her career. I understand the it's my body argument that is put forth but the baby has a body too and a heart beat at approximately 5 weeks. We declare someone legally dead when their heart STOP beating so why aren't they legally alive when their heart STARTS beating. I don't believe in the free trade of abortions because I view it as murder and murder goes against God and is illegal by human standards as well.
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I agree with almost everything except what god would do to non-believers. Since its' a Christian notion that abortion goes against god:

The people of Samaria must bear their guilt, because they have rebelled against their God. They will fall by the sword; their little ones will be dashed to the ground, their pregnant women ripped open. (Hosea 13:16)

Wouldn't it be best for god to judge and punish and not government intervention through law. I think its wrong btw. From what I gather it is OK to murder infidels according to the bible.
 
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glichtenwalter said:
The history and science our schools teach is already so watered down it is very sad. I have three kids and have to supplement their education even at a private school. If you don't like the curriculum in state x then feel free to move to state a or b or even c.
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Yes, it is poor. It would get worse if states were left to do it all themselves.

And not everybody has the option of moving their families from one state to the one with better education. That's not a great way of looking at it IMO.
 
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InVOLuntary said:
Problem is you're not attacking Trump, you are attacking the people that voted for him bypassing the ones that voted for Hillary. Until a viable, third party candidate emerges, we are stuck with what the Dems and the Republicans serve us. None of the parties ran a decent candidate, including the libertarians. Johnson had stuff I didn't like either and I usually agree with most of the libertarian platform.

Anyway, a vote for anybody but Trump was a vote for the pantsuit. There are very few people that I wouldn't have voted for over Hilary.
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Not true if you're voting in a state like Tennessee that always goes red.

In states like Tennessee, a 3rd party vote could be seen as a vote used to try and get a 3rd party to the 5% threshold.
 
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Mick said:
I agree with almost everything except what god would do to non-believers. Since its' a Christian notion that abortion goes against god:

The people of Samaria must bear their guilt, because they have rebelled against their God. They will fall by the sword; their little ones will be dashed to the ground, their pregnant women ripped open. (Hosea 13:16)

Wouldn't it be best for god to judge and punish and not government intervention through law. I think its wrong btw. From what I gather it is OK to murder infidels according to the bible.
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There is a big difference between old testament and new testament. Old testament God was preparing the way for Jesus and often had the Israelites destroy entire populations of people because their sins were so great. He wanted the Israelites to be free from evil influences because He knows our hearts are easily corruptible.

Jesus came and brought a new age of love. The Israelites were God's people but through Jesus, any who believe in him and follow him are grafted into the tree. So God would not encourage the killing of infidels, IMO, because He would rather they came to know the love of Jesus and follow Him.

I am no biblical scholar so I probably messed that up somewhat.
 
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glichtenwalter said:
See this is where it gets tricky. I believe that drugs are bad for you and I teach my children. However, under our current system, if someone is hooked on drugs it often costs the rest of us for their hospital visits, rehab, and other expenses when they are so strung out they can't care for themselves. So I do believe that drugs should be illegal but which ones? There's the rub.

As far as abortion, Darth and I have been round and round on this. There are studies that show a reduction in crime due to abortion but I argue that it is possible that the inventor of the cure to cancer or Alzheimers or the architect of middle east peace may have been aborted amongst the 1 million children that are killed each year. The majority of abortions take place, not because of rape or incest as many would like us to believe, but because the mother simply doesn't want the child for a variety of reasons. Maybe she isn't ready for a child or can't afford it or it will interfere with her career. I understand the it's my body argument that is put forth but the baby has a body too and a heart beat at approximately 5 weeks. We declare someone legally dead when their heart STOP beating so why aren't they legally alive when their heart STARTS beating. I don't believe in the free trade of abortions because I view it as murder and murder goes against God and is illegal by human standards as well.
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Not necessarily.
 
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Ulysees E. McGill said:
You mean like the Robber baron days? That's where I check out on capitalism. I live in coal country, maybe you should spend a few months here checking out what unregulated/unrestrained greed did for people.
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I also think government regulation causes a lot of our problems and the coal industry is a good example. The government decides coal is bad and so coal production goes into the toilet. Coal miners can't make a living. Local tax revenues plummet. Schools shut down or can't hire the staff to properly teach. The next thing you know you have a whole region in poverty because the government decided coal was bad.
 
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