Recruiting Forum Football Talk XXXII

[InVOLuntary]

Hurd has visited Cal according to sec country. I know some people where wondering what was going on with him...

https://www.seccountry.com/tennessee/jalen-hurd-cal

Didn't see him sitting a year. Maybe this is best for him. Gives him a chance to mature a little. Doesn't call run a spread though? Also, shouldn't he be enrolled already?

 

[Big Gucci Sosa]

Y'all remember how fun Neyland was in the second half of the UF game? Damn I've never had so much fun. Moments like that make the bad times worth it.

True

 

[Appalachiamuck]

You guys wanna know what I think?



GBFO.

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[unioncityvol]

shorts, flip flops, sunglasses here in northwest tn. think we get a RB this week.

 

[chavisut]

Haven't followed recruiting that much this year, but how can that happen? Seems pretty tough at this point.

Top 15 will surprise me.

 

[Darth_Shiveman]

It is nauseating. So are his overreacting responses and crass remarks. I don't ignore him because it is fun watching the tantrums.

Look man, we're both Vol fans. We both want the best for UT. Our opinions don't even differ that greatly, besides soeculative opinions over the process of recent coaching hires.


How about we just accept that that we disagree and move on? B****ing about one another is a bad look for both of us and takes away from the football talk we all find enjoyable on here. Let's just let each other have their own opinions and let it be.

 

[Tennessee Golfer]

Top 15 will surprise me.

Are there enough uncommitted players to make a big difference? Seems like most of the top guys are committed already.

 

[Darth_Shiveman]

Your prior notions have you to believe it is obvious. I know it's a message board, and we all speculate. But no one knows. You can't shoot down someone else's theory when you have no clue yourself.

I agree with you here. But that argument goes both ways and I do think it's fair game to look at the facts, interpret them as you see them, and debate those interpretations.


I should've made clearer in my posts that there was no way to know for sure either way.

 

[DedicatedVol]

Auburn to hire Arizona St OC Chip Lindsey

https://www.seccountry.com/auburn/report-auburn-hire-arizona-state-oc-chip-lindsey

 

[VolGee4]

How are we going with the narrative that it was all a sham, Butch only did token interviews, it was always Canales...

Because those are the names 247 and VQ reported?

The same sources that pushed Fair and Barlow for weeks...Then brought up Warren's name maybe half a day before he was hired?

We don't know. One story is just as likely as the other.

I am sorry. I know people think they know what happened, but no one can say it as fact. Whatever people want to believe. They won't bring up Warren because it doesn't fit what they believe. Not that it is wrong because most of us speculate on here. Call me a sheep or a sunshine pumper or whatever. But I don't know what happened and neither does anyone else.

 

[Darth_Shiveman]

Auburn to hire Arizona St OC Chip Lindsey

https://www.seccountry.com/auburn/report-auburn-hire-arizona-state-oc-chip-lindsey

Man, I hope by the next time we're making an OC hire we'll have the option of bringing in an experienced OC who also happens to be in Butch's coaching tree.


It would be bad for us in the short term, but I'm really hoping guys like Gillespie, Azzani, Scott, etc. all get opportunities to take on bigger jobs elsewhere within the next 1-3 years. Having successful assistants and creating a coaching tree is one of the hallmarks of a great coach.

 

[Nashvegas31]

Sure I Did. If it was so impressive why has his career gone backwards? And not just backwards but on a free fall.

He was on Leavitt staff until Leavitt got in trouble in 2009 and was fired. USF hired Skip Holtz who calls his own offense. Dan McCarney left Florida to take North Texas HC job. McCarney coached at USF in 2007 with Canales. Offered Canales Asst HC and OC postion. Canales was interim HC when McCarney was let go then was kept by the next coach in same positon of Asst HC/OC. That staff fired last season. He tried to get on at TN last offseason but Butch went for Scott and TE replacement since Sheridan was here. Canales went to his alma mater to coach. He could have expected this job to come open again since we didn't hire anQB coach. So really his career I guess wasn't a big drop off when I looked further into why each change

 

[VolGee4]

chuckled a little... you right tho.... I will say Cuonzo is doing pretty well out there....

??? He has recruited several pro players and has done nothing with them. I liked Cuonzo. Good man. Average basketball coach.

 

[BruinVol]

He was on Leavitt staff until Leavitt got in trouble in 2009 and was fired. USF hired Skip Holtz who calls his own offense. Dan McCarney left Florida to take North Texas HC job. McCarney coached at USF in 2007 with Canales. Offered Canales Asst HC and OC postion. Canales was interim HC when McCarney was let go then was kept by the next coach in same positon of Asst HC/OC. That staff fired last season. He tried to get on at TN last offseason but Butch went for Scott and TE replacement since Sheridan was here. Canales went to his alma mater to coach. He could have expected this job to come open again since we didn't hire anQB coach. So really his career I guess wasn't a big drop off when I looked further into why each change

Great coaches aren't left without power 5 options IMO.

 

[Volator]

Didn't see him sitting a year. Maybe this is best for him. Gives him a chance to mature a little. Doesn't call run a spread though? Also, shouldn't he be enrolled already?

Would think Vic Wharton may have been a contact or involved. The question of if he wants to play again becomes more legitimate (imo).

 

[Darth_Shiveman]

I am sorry. I know people think they know what happened, but no one can say it as fact. Whatever people want to believe. They won't bring up Warren because it doesn't fit what they believe. Not that it is wrong because most of us speculate on here. Call me a sheep or a sunshine pumper or whatever. But I don't know what happened and neither does anyone else.

To be fair though, most (myself included) who are of the opinion that Butch was always going to go with those he was familiar with and felt could run his system on offense first and foremost don't really see the defensive hires as related.


The Shoop hire proved that Butch is willing to delegate and go outside his comfort zone on defense. On offense, the only hire he has to suggest otherwise is Scott (the first time around at least).


Some point to Gillespie, and it's true he had no history with Butch. But it's also true that he came from the same coaching tree as Butch (Holgerson).


It is true we don't know for sure. It's also true that Butch doesn't have that much of a history of going outside his comfort zone on offense.


Either way, he's ultimately seen offensive improvement and success, somyou cant really argue too vehemently against the guys he's decided on in the past.

 

[Volator]

Great coaches aren't left without power 5 options IMO.

Don't think anyone has called him great. He is a step up from Sheridan.

 

[Kingston Vol]

Top 15 will surprise me.

That's what I figured. The usual teams will close strong and push us back a bit.

 

[Vols4us]

Didn't see him sitting a year. Maybe this is best for him. Gives him a chance to mature a little. Doesn't call run a spread though? Also, shouldn't he be enrolled already?

Wilcox hired Baldwin as OC, who had been Eastern WA's HC for nearly a decade. He ran a spread with a emphasis on passing. Not seeing where he gains much except probably starting his last season in college and having a year to get healthy and grow up.

 

[VolGee4]

To be fair though, most (myself included) who are of the opinion that Butch was always going to go with those he was familiar with and felt could run his system on offense first and foremost don't really see the defensive hires as related.


The Shoop hire proved that Butch is willing to delegate and go outside his comfort zone on defense. On offense, the only hire he has to suggest otherwise is Scott (the first time around at least).


Some point to Gillespie, and it's true he had no history with Butch. But it's also true that he came from the same coaching tree as Butch (Holgerson).


It is true we don't know for sure. It's also true that Butch doesn't have that much of a history of going outside his comfort zone on offense.


Either way, he's ultimately seen offensive improvement and success, somyou cant really argue too vehemently against the guys he's decided on in the past.

I have said my piece. Don't need to explain it anymore. People said the exact same about Debord. There were some frustrations, but every team will have them. Debord didn't prevent us from going to the Sugar Bowl. No need to tie up pages over this discussion.

 

[buffaloblue]

Great coaches aren't left without power 5 options IMO.

But did he want the assistant head coach/OC titles. Maybe at that point he wasn't ready to only be position coach. Now he wasn't a good OC. I will judge him as a QB coach.

 

[OGbabyaviVol]

Wilcox hired Baldwin as OC, who had been Eastern WA's HC for nearly a decade. He ran a spread with a emphasis on passing. Not seeing where he gains much except probably starting his last season in college and having a year to get healthy and grow up.

Which will make him look like a quitter even more, if he goes to a similar system.

 

[Darth_Shiveman]

Didn't see him sitting a year. Maybe this is best for him. Gives him a chance to mature a little. Doesn't call run a spread though? Also, shouldn't he be enrolled already?

I'm just shocked he didn't declare. I thought for sure the talk about wanting to play TE or WR was just that.

I've always thought Hurd had the tangibles and skill set to make good NFL H-Back if he set his mind to it. But I have come to question whether he has it in himself to set his mind to anything football related.

 

[Darth_Shiveman]

I have said my piece. Don't need to explain it anymore. People said the exact same about Debord. There were some frustrations, but every team will have them. Debord didn't prevent us from going to the Sugar Bowl. No need to tie up pages over this discussion.

:hi:

 

[Nash_Vol97]

To be fair though, most (myself included) who are of the opinion that Butch was always going to go with those he was familiar with and felt could run his system on offense first and foremostdon't really see the defensive hires as related.


The Shoop hire proved that Butch is willing to delegate and go outside his comfort zone on defense. On offense, the only hire he has to suggest otherwise is Scott (the first time around at least).


Some point to Gillespie, and it's true he had no history with Butch. But it's also true that he came from the same coaching tree as Butch (Holgerson).


It is true we don't know for sure. It's also true that Butch doesn't have that much of a history of going outside his comfort zone on offense.


Either way, he's ultimately seen offensive improvement and success, somyou cant really argue too vehemently against the guys he's decided on in the past.

I do think Butch really did look into outside hires for offensive personnel. I don't remember if it was Callahan, Hubbs or someone else but they mentioned that Butch had been "vetting" Helfrich for weeks. I think Butch really wanted him and would have made that happen. Helfrich was the one to cool on that, not Butch. So he has shown that he was at least open to an outside hire and bringing in an outside well respected offensive mind. It just didn't work out.