People upset over Phil

#51
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Pros: He is a UT guy
Cons: never been an AD before.

I seen someone say he has the doners support but I remember they didn't when he was fired as HC. What are the qualifications for a good AD? Is coaching experience a desirable trait?
 
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CountVolcula said:
Probably nothing against Blackburn

Just your normal good ol boy network at play
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What you call "good ole boy" network is how 90% of the business world operates. Your degree and resume' only go so far, it's relationships and networking that get you the job and propel your career, in most cases. I don't suspect it's any different in college athletics.
 
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Hairy Vols said:
I understand you probably wanted Blackburn, but the reasons NOT to hire Phil I don't think are very solid. After all Bill Battle wasn't a good Head Coach, but just look where he got Alabama football. (Obviously Phil was light years above Bill)

I'm looking at the situation this way, even tho he has never been an AD before I think if he didn't have enough knowledge they wouldn't consider the hire, what would be the point?

And on a final note I think what Phil brings to the table as a recruiter can definitely translate to his new position with making hires, influencing boosters, ect ect.

I get not everyone will like the hire, I just don't understand why everyone is being so nasty about someone who loves the place so much. Hell he could of taken another job after we fired him, but didn't because he loves this place so much because this is the only place he wants to be.

How is that not someone you want in charge of Tennessee athletics?!?
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Horrible example. Battle spents years managing a multi million $$ licensing company that he built from scratch.

Further, He did nothing with Bama football. Horrible example. Bama football was alrrady rolling. He only held the position 2 years.

Did I mention this was a horrible example?
 
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Hairy Vols said:
I understand you probably wanted Blackburn, but the reasons NOT to hire Phil I don't think are very solid. After all Bill Battle wasn't a good Head Coach, but just look where he got Alabama football. (Obviously Phil was light years above Bill)

I'm looking at the situation this way, even tho he has never been an AD before I think if he didn't have enough knowledge they wouldn't consider the hire, what would be the point?

And on a final note I think what Phil brings to the table as a recruiter can definitely translate to his new position with making hires, influencing boosters, ect ect.

I get not everyone will like the hire, I just don't understand why everyone is being so nasty about someone who loves the place so much. Hell he could of taken another job after we fired him, but didn't because he loves this place so much because this is the only place he wants to be.

How is that not someone you want in charge of Tennessee athletics?!?
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Hugh difference!!!! Bill Battle has been in the business world for decades. He has made millions of dollars in the business world. He has run companies. Yes he was not a good coach but was an excellent business man. Coach Phil has not done these things!!!! It is risky at best, I like Phil and hope his does well.
 
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CountVolcula said:
Give me a list of Fulmers coaching hires

On the flip, a great coach might just come work for Fulmer

Then again, would he be hands off enough to let the other coach do their job?
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One of the reasons Fulmer was fired was he couldn't attract a solid OC after Cut left. He micro managed poor Randy into the ground and nearly derailed a potentially promising career.
 
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You all have to be kidding right? The only qualification anyone can come up with is "Fulmer loves UT." Great, well so does Blackburn. So do plenty of fans, ex-players, etc. You have a guy sitting there who has been groomed for this position his entire career, and you want to replace him with a football coach who has been unemployed for a decade? This is a nightmare of epic proportions. You're going to let a guy who was canned for losing touch with the football program lead all sports for the university? This hire would be more embarrassing than any of the scandals that have taken place over the years. The guy is a figurehead and an ambassador, not a department head.
 
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Hairy Vols said:
I understand you probably wanted Blackburn, but the reasons NOT to hire Phil I don't think are very solid. After all Bill Battle wasn't a good Head Coach, but just look where he got Alabama football. (Obviously Phil was light years above Bill)

I'm looking at the situation this way, even tho he has never been an AD before I think if he didn't have enough knowledge they wouldn't consider the hire, what would be the point?

And on a final note I think what Phil brings to the table as a recruiter can definitely translate to his new position with making hires, influencing boosters, ect ect.

I get not everyone will like the hire, I just don't understand why everyone is being so nasty about someone who loves the place so much. Hell he could of taken another job after we fired him, but didn't because he loves this place so much because this is the only place he wants to be.

How is that not someone you want in charge of Tennessee athletics?!?
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The Bill Battle comparison isn't a good one. Battle has been a successful businessman since he left football. He founded College Licensing Corporation, which he sold to IMG for $100 million in 2007. BTW, Battle was 59-22-2 as a coach. Hardly a "bad" coach.

I just see a potential Fulmer hire as a lazy, temporary fix. The administration knows he is popular with the fans and he is more likely than a Blackburn-type to go along with what they want. A win/win in their eyes.
 
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Probably_in_Class said:
You all have to be kidding right? The only qualification anyone can come up with is "Fulmer loves UT." Great, well so does Blackburn. So do plenty of fans, ex-players, etc. You have a guy sitting there who has been groomed for this position his entire career, and you want to replace him with a football coach who has been unemployed for a decade? This is a nightmare of epic proportions. You're going to let a guy who was canned for losing touch with the football program lead all sports for the university? This hire would be more embarrassing than any of the scandals that have taken place over the years. The guy is a figurehead and an ambassador, not a department head.
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It's funny to me that many who want a national championship in football more than life itself take every opportunity possible to bash the only man who brought them one in the modern era. Take your men's, Fuller will do fine if hired.
 
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fade route said:
It's funny to me that many who want a national championship in football more than life itself take every opportunity possible to bash the only man who brought them one in the modern era. Take your men's, Fuller will do fine if hired.
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I actually like Fulmer, and I respect what he's done for the university. That in no way makes him qualified for AD, particularly when you have better options.
 
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fade route said:
It's funny to me that many who want a national championship in football more than life itself take every opportunity possible to bash the only man who brought them one in the modern era. Take your men's, Fuller will do fine if hired.
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Based on what?
He struggled firing people who helped drag his career into the toilet. See Pat Washington and Sanders.
He is 65. He has zero administrative experience. He was the first cog in plunging UT football down the drain.

It's a divisive hire. Horrible.
 
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I was hoping for Blackburn but I think Fulmer will do a fantastic job. The age of 65 is not too old to run a multimillion $ operation. Ask Donald.

I think Fulmer will do a tremendous job at recruiting - administrators and coaches. He also is well liked and respected by alumni, including Peyton.

Nothing at all wrong with a hire here.
 
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Mick said:
Pros: He is a UT guy
Cons: never been an AD before.

I seen someone say he has the doners support but I remember they didn't when he was fired as HC. What are the qualifications for a good AD? Is coaching experience a desirable trait?
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More Pro: Will be praised by national media.
He will bring back Lady Vol name for all sports.
More Con: He won't want to fire underperforming coaches.
Reignites Majors/Fulmer history and divide.

* I just want to know how did David Blackburn hire fail? *
Who stopped Blackburn?????????? :popcorn:
 
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I love how OP credits Bama's football success to Bill Battle, who became AD years into Saban's tenure
 
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Grand Vol said:
And what makes him unqualified to do the job?
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Zero admin experience, zero track record managing other sports, zero experience in any number of other AD duties, zero proven results at running a business, poor track record making emotional decisions, unemployed for the last nine years, let go from his last job for losing touch and possibly losing passion...
 
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orangemadam said:
I was hoping for Blackburn but I think Fulmer will do a fantastic job. The age of 65 is not too old to run a multimillion $ operation. Ask Donald.

I think Fulmer will do a tremendous job at recruiting - administrators and coaches. He also is well liked and respected by alumni, including Peyton.

Nothing at all wrong with a hire here.
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You are using Donald Trump is an example of why we should feel good about this?
 
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Probably_in_Class said:
Zero admin experience, zero track record managing other sports, zero experience in any number of other AD duties, zero proven results at running a business, poor track record making emotional decisions, unemployed for the last nine years, let go from his last job for losing touch and possibly losing passion...
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You know, if he was an AD at some rinky-dink Division 2 or JUCO school where he had a staff of 0 to help out, your opinion would have merit. But the AD at a P5 school manages the money men as well as having a staff that helps run things.

People complain he doesn't have budget experience. I'd be willing to bet there's likely a budget staff there for a reason.

You want to complain about emotional decisions. Same emotional decisions that led us to a championship?

You claim he possibly lost his passion at his last job. His last job was technically helping get a smaller university's football program up and running. Seems there's still passion there. And he very much was employed, so do even try that one. He isn't living hand to mouth.

Your points really aren't valid. As I said in the other thread, it's a good thing he's already failed at being an AD. I'd hate for him to prove some of you wrong.
 
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PF will make a good interim AD while the board takes some time to do some thorough vetting. Fulmer will do nicely as a stopgap and Blackburn or Davis will be named the AD....in 2020.
 
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Roustabout said:
One of the reasons Fulmer was fired was he couldn't attract a solid OC after Cut left. He micro managed poor Randy into the ground and nearly derailed a potentially promising career.
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Completely false, he hired a successful coach but it was just a bad fit. Clawson has been head coach twice since then and is currently a head coach
 
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This is great...instead of a qualified unifying hire our administration picks the one person who could possibly divide this fanbase further.

Only at my alma mater. This should be fun.
 
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Probably_in_Class said:
Zero admin experience, zero track record managing other sports, zero experience in any number of other AD duties, zero proven results at running a business, poor track record making emotional decisions, unemployed for the last nine years, let go from his last job for losing touch and possibly losing passion...
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Hamilton and Hart had a wealth of admin experience, how did that work out?
 
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Probably_in_Class said:
You all have to be kidding right? The only qualification anyone can come up with is "Fulmer loves UT." Great, well so does Blackburn. So do plenty of fans, ex-players, etc. You have a guy sitting there who has been groomed for this position his entire career, and you want to replace him with a football coach who has been unemployed for a decade? This is a nightmare of epic proportions. You're going to let a guy who was canned for losing touch with the football program lead all sports for the university? This hire would be more embarrassing than any of the scandals that have taken place over the years. The guy is a figurehead and an ambassador, not a department head.
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Try again.
 
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