Politics and power could kill The Vols

[volnpowell]

Thousands of half cocked fans taking to the streets to force the administration to hire someone they don't really know for a position they don't really understand. What could possibly go wrong?

Do not know where fans are taking to the streets are, but if you mean posting on message boards ok... I guess the admin. has been getting it right before all these posts about Blackburn right?

I get your point btw, just do not think admin. has shown much to have faith in imo do you?

 

[wildorange]

Are you kidding? You actually think a bunch of fans and the media can influence the boosters? The media morons aren't gonna take them on. They like making a living too much.

I tell you what will take them on, if they screw up with a bad AD hire and go rouge on athletics they will see empty seats and a decrease in funding from all things athletic and academic. Sure they will still have donors but the university would be spurned by the thousands, you can take that to the bank. This is a passionate fan base that sends more money to UT than most realize. If they truly don't care about athletics and that part of things and continue to try to rail and manipulate the AD department I can promise it will not end up pretty for them either. I hope these things aren't true or totally right, but everyday that goes by with no response or movement with things makes everybody just scratch their heads.

 

[Orangedogsrule]

Of course education is important...genius! It should be important at ANY academic institution! My point is...the CURRENT admin is more concerned with "Ivey League" academic prowess...not SEC/National Championships! That is FACT!

Ivey League?

Nope just want to be a top 25 public research university. This does not include the "Ivey League" schools. They are private universities.

According to the annual US News rankings

The Public Universities at the top 25?

California
UCLA
Virginia
Michigan
North Carolina
William and Mary
Georgia Tech
Santa Barbara
Irvine
Davis
San Diego
Illinois
Wisconsin
Penn State
Florida
Ohio State
Washington
Georgia
Texas
Perdue
Connecticut
Maryland
Clemson
Pittsburgh
Rutgers
.
and little old UTK?
26
27
28
29
30
31
32
33
34
35...
.
.
100
101
102
Tennessee..we currently sit at #103 in public schools.

And because of that we lose out on lots of things, (endowments, research grants, etc..never even in the running)

Hmmmm...

Nope..the President, the Trustees, and all that..they're more interested in elevating the university's ranking to increase the revenue, where the REAL money is.

Total revenue 2017=$2,204,000,000.00

Athletic Department ...
Total revenues =$136.2 M
Total expenses =$124.0 M
Net surplus =$12.20 M

Total AD revenues is just peanuts at 6.2% of the entire university.

The muckety mucks...I personally believe some of them don't care whether we have nationally competitive sports teams or not. Hence the downfall of the track team when other schools are there every year.

 

[Orangedogsrule]

What's funny to me is, technically his "proof" was in his own post demanding proof or to "gtfo'.

So I don't see the point in that kind of 'speculation'.
I did the same with the "chattanooga reporter" to make the point. Just too much
'speculation' that's no more than a wild ass guess being blown out their ...

Don't like how I feel? gtfo

 

[volgrad500]

Ivey League?

Nope just want to be a top 25 public research university. This does not include the "Ivey League" schools. They are private universities.

According to the annual US News rankings

The Public Universities at the top 25?

California
UCLA
Virginia
Michigan
North Carolina
William and Mary
Georgia Tech
Santa Barbara
Irvine
Davis
San Diego
Illinois
Wisconsin
Penn State
Florida
Ohio State
Washington
Georgia
Texas
Perdue
Connecticut
Maryland
Clemson
Pittsburgh
Rutgers
.
and little old UTK?
26
27
28
29
30
31
32
33
34
35...
.
.
100
101
102
Tennessee..we currently sit at #103 in public schools.

And because of that we lose out on lots of things, (endowments, research grants, etc..never even in the running)

Hmmmm...

Nope..the President, the Trustees, and all that..they're more interested in elevating the university's ranking to increase the revenue, where the REAL money is.

Total revenue 2017=$2,204,000,000.00

Athletic Department ...
Total revenues =$136.2 M
Total expenses =$124.0 M
Net surplus =$12.20 M

Total AD revenues is just peanuts at 6.2% of the entire university.

The muckety mucks...I personally believe some of them don't care whether we have nationally competitive sports teams or not. Hence the downfall of the track team when other schools are there every year.

That my friends, is a drop mic situation. IF it's at all true lol, which I have no idea. But if it is, (or even close) then that would be eye opening.

 

[wildorange]

Other SEC university's don't try to micro manage their AD, if the adminstation is making so much dadgum money why are they worried about having a puppet for a AD and why was Cheek taking money out of the ath budget when Hamilton was here??? They need to hire Blackburn and get out of the dadgum way. GBO!!!!!

 

[Behr]

So I don't see the point in that kind of 'speculation'.
I did the same with the "chattanooga reporter" to make the point. Just too much
'speculation' that's no more than a wild ass guess being blown out their ...

Don't like how I feel? gtfo

Haha. I Don't give a monkey's butt how you feel. I will laugh at you when making yourself look foolish.

 

[VolRoger]

Ivey League?

Nope just want to be a top 25 public research university. This does not include the "Ivey League" schools. They are private universities.

According to the annual US News rankings

The Public Universities at the top 25?

California
UCLA
Virginia
Michigan
North Carolina
William and Mary
Georgia Tech
Santa Barbara
Irvine
Davis
San Diego
Illinois
Wisconsin
Penn State
Florida
Ohio State
Washington
Georgia
Texas
Perdue
Connecticut
Maryland
Clemson
Pittsburgh
Rutgers
.
and little old UTK?
26
27
28
29
30
31
32
33
34
35...
.
.
100
101
102
Tennessee..we currently sit at #103 in public schools.

And because of that we lose out on lots of things, (endowments, research grants, etc..never even in the running)

Hmmmm...

Nope..the President, the Trustees, and all that..they're more interested in elevating the university's ranking to increase the revenue, where the REAL money is.

Total revenue 2017=$2,204,000,000.00

Athletic Department ...
Total revenues =$136.2 M
Total expenses =$124.0 M
Net surplus =$12.20 M

Total AD revenues is just peanuts at 6.2% of the entire university.

The muckety mucks...I personally believe some of them don't care whether we have nationally competitive sports teams or not. Hence the downfall of the track team when other schools are there every year.

I get your point and I want my university to be highly successful. Nevertheless, I do think athletics, especially football, can go a long way towards aiding that success with the publicity a highly successful program can bring. I'm not sure in the end if being too 25 is a reachable goal for UT given its history and alumni support. It would be interesting to see if we get close to that goal what had to be given up to get there. There is always a cost.

 

[davethevol]

Ivey League?

Nope just want to be a top 25 public research university. This does not include the "Ivey League" schools. They are private universities.

According to the annual US News rankings

The Public Universities at the top 25?

California
UCLA
Virginia
Michigan
North Carolina
William and Mary
Georgia Tech
Santa Barbara
Irvine
Davis
San Diego
Illinois
Wisconsin
Penn State
Florida
Ohio State
Washington
Georgia
Texas
Perdue
Connecticut
Maryland
Clemson
Pittsburgh
Rutgers
.
and little old UTK?
26
27
28
29
30
31
32
33
34
35...
.
.
100
101
102
Tennessee..we currently sit at #103 in public schools.

And because of that we lose out on lots of things, (endowments, research grants, etc..never even in the running)

Hmmmm...

Nope..the President, the Trustees, and all that..they're more interested in elevating the university's ranking to increase the revenue, where the REAL money is.

Total revenue 2017=$2,204,000,000.00

Athletic Department ...
Total revenues =$136.2 M
Total expenses =$124.0 M
Net surplus =$12.20 M

Total AD revenues is just peanuts at 6.2% of the entire university.

The muckety mucks...I personally believe some of them don't care whether we have nationally competitive sports teams or not. Hence the downfall of the track team when other schools are there every year.

Using this data it still shows the administration has been incompetent. I was at UT when Cheek was brought in and stated how he was going to make UT a top 25 university. His timeline was something like 8 to 10 years if I remember correctly. UT hasn't really gotten any closer to that goal. So almost 15 years later UT's ranking is nearly identical.

 

[golf437]

Guys....OP is spot on. It took me some time to really look/analysis our situation...but that's exactly what's going on! Fans need to see/recognize this! Thing at UT athletics are about to be on a huge downward spiral thanks to the "powers that be" in administration. It absolutely sickens me that fans and alumni are standing around and letting this happen. I haven't missed a game since 1988...but if the admin is not committed to winning....we're doomed! You don't have this academic/athletics tug a war happening at Bama,LSU,AU,etc. It's such a shame because the football program is and has been the face of the university. Now we have an admin that is far more interested in academic prowess than anything that takes place on a football field...and people that's the truth. It's happening right before our eyes! Fans,alumni,boosters, and former players need to wake up...and IN A HURRY!!!

Sorry but show some proof or not true.

 

[1truevol]

Ivey League?

Nope just want to be a top 25 public research university. This does not include the "Ivey League" schools. They are private universities.

According to the annual US News rankings

The Public Universities at the top 25?

California
UCLA
Virginia
Michigan
North Carolina
William and Mary
Georgia Tech
Santa Barbara
Irvine
Davis
San Diego
Illinois
Wisconsin
Penn State
Florida
Ohio State
Washington
Georgia
Texas
Perdue
Connecticut
Maryland
Clemson
Pittsburgh
Rutgers
.
and little old UTK?
26
27
28
29
30
31
32
33
34
35...
.
.
100
101
102
Tennessee..we currently sit at #103 in public schools.

And because of that we lose out on lots of things, (endowments, research grants, etc..never even in the running)

Hmmmm...

Nope..the President, the Trustees, and all that..they're more interested in elevating the university's ranking to increase the revenue, where the REAL money is.

Total revenue 2017=$2,204,000,000.00

Athletic Department ...
Total revenues =$136.2 M
Total expenses =$124.0 M
Net surplus =$12.20 M

Total AD revenues is just peanuts at 6.2% of the entire university.

The muckety mucks...I personally believe some of them don't care whether we have nationally competitive sports teams or not. Hence the downfall of the track team when other schools are there every year.

Ok...so if I have to break it down for you...my "Ivey League" analogy was an "intentional exaggeration" to get my point across! But you basically backed my whole point....the administration has no intentions on making UT athletics an EMPHASIS! Their focus is in other areas! So again...as "sports fans" do you want athletic accolades or do we want to be like Vandy and be known as "champions in the classroom"? Me...I want a respectable academic institution (which we've always had)...and a kick a$$ football program! The current admin doesn't share the same view...period!

 

[YankeeVol]

Ok...so if I have to break it down for you...my "Ivey League" analogy was an "intentional exaggeration" to get my point across! But you basically backed my whole point....the administration has no intentions on making UT athletics an EMPHASIS! Their focus is in other areas! So again...as "sports fans" do you want athletic accolades or do we want to be like Vandy and be known as "champions in the classroom"? Me...I want a respectable academic institution (which we've always had)...and a kick a$$ football program!

I think part of his point was even with the emphasis on academics, we haven't moved up in the rankings.

 

[m1al]

Don't like how I feel? gtfo

Oh my.

Should I stay or should I go.....

 

[volgr]

Considering next year will make a decade since we last visited Atlanta and almost 2 decades since we have won the SEC outright, I would change the thread title from "could" to "have".

 

[m1al]

Ivey League?

Nope just want to be a top 25 public research university. This does not include the "Ivey League" schools. They are private universities.

According to the annual US News rankings

The Public Universities at the top 25?

California
UCLA
Virginia
Michigan
North Carolina
William and Mary
Georgia Tech
Santa Barbara
Irvine
Davis
San Diego
Illinois
Wisconsin
Penn State
Florida
Ohio State
Washington
Georgia
Texas
Perdue
Connecticut
Maryland
Clemson
Pittsburgh
Rutgers

Just a quick glance and I see 9 or 10 teams that were ranked at some point this year and, oh my, 3 of the 4 NC final 4 are there... How bout that..

Not only are SEC East schools FL and GA competing with us on the field (and very well I might add) they kicking our ass in academics...

As I said before, with competent leadership, BOTH can be achieved..

Still think UTK admin is on top of things?

 

[CountVolcula]

Its "Ivy" League

 

[volgr]

Considering next year will make a decade since we last visited Atlanta and almost 2 decades since we have won the SEC outright, I would change the thread title from "could" to "have".

Actually appropriate thread title should read "Politics, power and incompetence have killed UT sports".

 

[CountVolcula]

Oh my.

Should I stay or should I go.....

He big mad

 

[livefaith]

Do not know where fans are taking to the streets are, but if you mean posting on message boards ok... I guess the admin. has been getting it right before all these posts about Blackburn right?

I get your point btw, just do not think admin. has shown much to have faith in imo do you?

"Time for fans and media to raise a grassroots groundswell for David Blackburn."

Last time we had a groundswell was over the horrors if making the Lady Vols into Vols. That groundswell ended up in the streets. That's where I for that image.

As far as administration performance, I actually agree with OP. Just not based on any direct knowledge. After the years of known government and institutional hiring corruption at UT, I'm pretty confident that it's a "political cluster" right now. But that's based on the history of State corruption and not direct knowledge.

Like me, I assume few have any direct knowledge. That's where "half cocked" came from.

 

[wmcovol]

Name names or gtfo.

Good gosh, how do you get home at night........

The Federal govt of the United States of America can turn over quicker than UT can get this ***** down here from Cincinnati.....

 

[Special Ed]

So, you're saying everyone hates the UT administration, OP.
What else is new?

:horse:

 

[Orangedogsrule]

He big mad

Jeesh....not angry not even a little. Have you an some buds never sit around talking sports and someone starts blowing smoke and someone says, aw he11 no, gtfo?

 

[knucklehead_vol]

That my friends, is a drop mic situation. IF it's at all true lol, which I have no idea. But if it is, (or even close) then that would be eye opening.

ReaderVol aka the white Knight will debunk it by calling people idiots and so forth. And yes it is true.

 

[golfballs]

I'm hoping this is pure speculation. Should I give Senator Gardner and Representative Lamborn a call to grease the skids?

Hire the man...or bring back another puppet like Hamilton! We all know how that story ended!

99% of everything posted on VN is pure speculation

 

[DancingOutlaw]

99% of everything posted on VN is pure speculation

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