Prepare to be underwhelmed again on OC Hire

#27
#27
I for one don't care if Azzani gets promoted. The "sure thing" DC we hired last year turned out to be crap so far. Azzani may be the next great OC or he may be the worst. No idea. Either way, it's Butchs job on the line, not mine. Like I've said before, I'm on the Butch train till it derails.
 
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Seems to me we are very close to hearing one of the two being named OC. These articles are softening up the fan base and preparing us. I would imagine tomorrow or Saturday it should be made official. Haven't heard any other names as being interviewed so my guess is butch has his man
 
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tvolsfan said:
I don't see why anybody would expect a big name hire at OC when the coach's job is in jeopardy heading into next year, especially when we are losing big pieces at quarterback, running back, and receiver. It just wouldn't make any sense for an OC with good options to come here right now.
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Jones' job isn't in jeopardy unless he goes 6-6 or worse next year. 7-5 plus and I gaurentee he gets another year. I think we will achieve that mark at worst.

Any OC would be willing to take a shot at 2 year job. Especially one that is good enough to make a difference and "save" Jones' job.

Having said that, I totally expect an underwhelming hire/promotion. Jones said he is t looking to change the offense. He wants someone who will call the play book we have.
 
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KingtUT said:
I for one don't care if Azzani gets promoted. The "sure thing" DC we hired last year turned out to be crap so far. Azzani may be the next great OC or he may be the worst. No idea. Either way, it's Butchs job on the line, not mine. Like I've said before, I'm on the Butch train till it derails.
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He didn't get to bring in his own assistants.
 
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KingtUT said:
Neither did Debord. I'm not into excuses.
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Not an excuse, just an observation. And then there's the injuries as well.

The defense did pretty well in the bowl game.

Shoop has been successful in multiple stops prior to here. Something is up.
 
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KingtUT said:
Neither did Debord. I'm not into excuses.
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Debord was rubber stamping a system that wasn't going to change. No need to bring "his" position coaches.

All appearances Shoop came in not trying to rock the boat. He even appeared to acquiesce and use the same terminology as to make the transition easier. For some reason that didn't go very well. Overall underwhelming to say the least.
 
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Yankee_Vol said:
Not an excuse, just an observation. And then there's the injuries as well.

The defense did pretty well in the bowl game.

Shoop has been successful in multiple stops prior to here. Something is up.
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No doubt something is odd about it all. Even after the injuries, we probably had more talent than any of his Vandy teams but we got zero results
 
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KingtUT said:
No doubt something is odd about it all. Even after the injuries, we probably had more talent than any of his Vandy teams but we got zero results
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Did everyone forget our starting MLB, Colton Jumper, was a walk on that recruiting services didn't even rank until he got accepted to UT. At that point he was given a 2 * ranking
 
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I hear it is down to:

Peter Sloth
Stumpy Hopalong
Sumore McPunts
Debbie Downer and
Tommy Turnover

My money is Sloth but my gut tells me Turnover.
 
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tvolsfan said:
Colin Cowherd, who probably doesn't give a damn about Tennessee, described Tennessee as being a 'gold standard' job with a 'gym teacher' as a coach. Now, of course Colin Cowherd has no say on when Butch Jones will be fired, but you can be damn sure that if he's looking at our situation and realizing that Butch Jones' continued employment isn't making much sense, potential offensive coordinators are picking up on that as well.
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Cowherd is an idiot. Has been for years. Same guy claims the big ten is better than the SEC
 
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I try to be objective with Jones. I see a lot in his performance when taken as a whole to not like and some things to like. He seems to run a pretty disciplined program and the academics are good. He leaves A LOT to be desired so far as a football coach. Even things like recruiting that were once considered strengths are beginning to be questionable.

That said... if you are on the inside looking out... why would he think he needs to do anything different with his offense? He's been in the top 3 in the SEC in scoring for the last two years.... after averaging 9th for the previous 7 years. It could be a miscalculation because of the value of Dobbs as a runner to bail the offensive scheme out when it didn't work. However from Jones perspective, he has to feel that his offense and scheme have been successful.

His future does ride on this hire. And as critical as I am of him right now, I hope he makes a great hire (big splash or not) and becomes as successful as all Vol fans should want him to be.
 
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ReaderVol said:
Only in the tiny minds of some delusional fans and media click hunters
is Jones job on the line this year.
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If his job is not on the line in 2017 then someone in the AD is willing to let him sink the program back to the level it was at when he was hired. That is where it will go because it takes SUCCESS on the field to get the best recruits.... which is what you need to have success on the field... and especially when you have a bad habit of leaving wins on the field and perhaps a worse habit of almost never pulling off an upset win.

HOWEVER, UT will have a new AD by August. That AD will not be vested in Jones or owe him anything. In fact, Jones will be in a "prove it" position with that AD who may very well be itching to replace Jones with "his guy".

Jones needs 8 plus wins which means he must avoid losing any games he should win... plus beat at least one team that has a better roster. Based on his first 4 years, this is NOT likely.
 
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Backwards K said:
Hopefully, the Vols will hire another OC who will set a new record for TDs and total offense. The last one sure worked out well. Too bad the defense didn't perform up to the offense's standards.
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Yeah those South Carolina and Vandy games were ruled by our offense.
 
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sjt18 said:
If his job is not on the line in 2017 then someone in the AD is willing to let him sink the program back to the level it was at when he was hired. That is where it will go because it takes SUCCESS on the field to get the best recruits.... which is what you need to have success on the field... and especially when you have a bad habit of leaving wins on the field and perhaps a worse habit of almost never pulling off an upset win.
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Right. Back to back 9 win seasons is the opposite of success
 
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Smokey'sHandler said:
The last time we made an underwhelming hire we wound up with the 2nd best rushing offense the next year and near record setting point season the next year with more to spare.

The last time we where overwhelmed with a splash hire we wound up with a near record setting defense in most yards given up and made Vandy's QB look like Tom freaking Brady.

I may just like being underwhelmed.
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Pretty amazed that the typical trolls don't see this post and respond. It kind of destroys their entire argument. But they know that, they just want to ***** like 13 year old girls.

At this point I think it is a contest to see who can say the most retarded thing. It's like a badge of honor to be so dumb.
 
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Vol8188 said:
Right. Back to back 9 win seasons is the opposite of success
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When you left three wins on the field in each of those years, failed to win a pathetic SEC East while having every opportunity to do it, and when you lose to USCe with the CG on the line then Vandy with the Sugar Bowl on the line... without ANY upset wins... yeah. That IS the opposite of success.

Success must ALWAYS be measured against potential. Versus potential... Jones has failed in all 4 seasons.
 
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sjt18 said:
When you left three wins on the field in each of those years, failed to win a pathetic SEC East while having every opportunity to do it, and when you lose to USCe with the CG on the line then Vandy with the Sugar Bowl on the line... without ANY upset wins... yeah. That IS the opposite of success.

Success must ALWAYS be measured against potential. Versus potential... Jones has failed in all 4 seasons.
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Back to back 9 win seasons and barely missed out on both an SECCG and a Sugar Bowl? What a terrible year!

Your 3 wins on the field statement is laughable too. You're essentially claiming you're upset because he hasn't had back to back 12 win seasons
 
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Butch is a dead man walking in 2017. Who would jump on a sinking ship (to us mixed metaphors).
 
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Vol8188 said:
And I'm not into dumb cliches like "no excuses". We played with our 3rd team lbs a large part of the season and 3rd team DTs
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I think you forgot about the first half of the season. We stopped absolutely noone, even before injuries. As the defensive coordinator, Shoop should have been able to get his assistants to do what he wanted done; he's in charge. Coordinators go to teams all of the time and make an impact immediately, but when that doesn't happen at UT everyone digs into random bleacher report articles for a good reason. " His assistants" work for him right now, as they did all season and he should have been able to make them do what was needed. That didn't happen except for in one half of the Florida game and in the bowl game. Pituful beginning, mid, and end of season. Adjustments to the run were non-existant, and pass defense was really no better. If shoop was a good manager he should have been able to stop vandy and SCar with the backups, period. Byweeks didn't even help and the defense never ever looked prepared except for in that forementioned second half vs Florida. Just admit to the fact that Shoop had a bad year, period. Anything else IS AN EXCUSE. I honestly think that he will do much better next year because he really is a good coach. Just didn't work out this year regardless of the situation handed to him.
 
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Vol8188 said:
And I'm not into dumb cliches like "no excuses". We played with our 3rd team lbs a large part of the season and 3rd team DTs
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Dont care if your into them or not, fact is, there is no excuse for the crap we saw on defense.
 
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