Trumpcare

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Tucker Carlson had a great guest on his show about why prices in healthcare skyrocket. It's in the way medical procedures price changes depend on the type of insurance somebody has.
 
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Burger said:
Tucker Carlson had a great guest on his show about why prices in healthcare skyrocket. It's in the way medical procedures price changes depend on the type of insurance somebody has.
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Sounds like something that could be easily regulated.
 
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luthervol said:
Sounds like something that could be easily regulated.
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Aaahhhhhn...regulation. that and spending are the liberals answer to everything. Been working great up til now...except for the 20 trillion dollars debt, mass exodus of businesses, and rapid decline in the morals and decency of citizens in general. Liberal policy is great!
 
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marcusluvsvols said:
Aaahhhhhn...regulation. that and spending are the liberals answer to everything. Been working great up til now...except for the 20 trillion dollars debt, mass exodus of businesses, and rapid decline in the morals and decency of citizens in general. Liberal policy is great!
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Didn't expect you to understand.
 
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marcusluvsvols said:
Aaahhhhhn...regulation. that and spending are the liberals answer to everything. Been working great up til now...except for the 20 trillion dollars debt, mass exodus of businesses, and rapid decline in the morals and decency of citizens in general. Liberal policy is great!
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Conservatives longing for the good old days claiming the decline in morals and decency. Ignoring lower violent crime, lower incidents of rape, lower teen pregnancies etc. What metric are you relying upon?
 
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ClearwaterVol said:
Conservatives longing for the good old days claiming the decline in morals and decency. Ignoring lower violent crime, lower incidents of rape, lower teen pregnancies etc. What metric are you relying upon?
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Violent crime isn't lower, during the Clinton years they changed the way the statistics were calculated. Don't know about the rest but I have have my doubts.
 
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luthervol said:
Premiums have been going up for 30 years. The changes needed to get things under control go a lot further than Obamacare and our nation is not willing to do what needs to be done. We will continue to have a system where billions of dollars are siphoned off by health insurance and pharmaceutical companies for treatments and drugs that add nothing to a person's quality of life. We pay more for less than any 1st world country in the world. Obama was trying to take the first steps necessary, just as Clinton tried to do in the 90's, to address the issue. There are obviously to many rich and powerful lobbyist to see any real change. The public being ignorant doesn't help.
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Finally some words of reason to discuss the issues instead of "Obama is a Muslim" BS.
 
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hog88 said:
I don't know if they were words of reason.
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Healthcare in our country is a complicated issue contrary to what many on here think. And I'm also thinking that those on here couldn't define the differences between deductibles/coinsurance/copays/OOP maximums etc. Just the usual back and forth bashing without having any worthwhile comments on where we go from here.
 
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ClearwaterVol said:
Conservatives longing for the good old days claiming the decline in morals and decency. Ignoring lower violent crime, lower incidents of rape, lower teen pregnancies etc. What metric are you relying upon?
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Exactly. As the country becomes more liberal the standard of living and crime improves in almost every metric measurable.

They will ignore anything good due to confirmation bias though.
 
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Biopsyman said:
Get rid of 2.5% Obama. tax is a great start
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Good point. The GOP has had 7 years to come up with alternatives to Obamacare. So far they have come up with "selling across state lines" , to allow more competition between carriers. Well, there are so few carriers left due to mergers/acquisitions I don't think that will help. Plus, the state insurance commissioners will probably veto giving up their power. And also "high risk pools" is the other alternative. Those have been tried since the 70's and most have failed. Those are the basic major alternatives the GOP is offering.

Expect the ACA may be repealed, but the GOP is already backing off because they ain't got a damn thing to replace it with. And 20 million people currently on Obamacare are a lot of voters. Not to mention, cutting medicare and medicaid and SS?
 
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slobberknocker said:
Good point. The GOP has had 7 years to come up with alternatives to Obamacare. So far they have come up with "selling across state lines" , to allow more competition between carriers. Well, there are so few carriers left due to mergers/acquisitions I don't think that will help. Plus, the state insurance commissioners will probably veto giving up their power. And also "high risk pools" is the other alternative. Those have been tried since the 70's and most have failed. Those are the basic major alternatives the GOP is offering.

Expect the ACA may be repealed, but the GOP is already backing off because they ain't got a damn thing to replace it with. And 20 million people currently on Obamacare are a lot of voters. Not to mention, cutting medicare and medicaid and SS?
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Maybe they are using the Pelosi approach. Repeal it and then see what the plan is?
 
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slobberknocker said:
Good point. The GOP has had 7 years to come up with alternatives to Obamacare. So far they have come up with "selling across state lines" , to allow more competition between carriers. Well, there are so few carriers left due to mergers/acquisitions I don't think that will help. Plus, the state insurance commissioners will probably veto giving up their power. And also "high risk pools" is the other alternative. Those have been tried since the 70's and most have failed. Those are the basic major alternatives the GOP is offering.

Expect the ACA may be repealed, but the GOP is already backing off because they ain't got a damn thing to replace it with. And 20 million people currently on Obamacare are a lot of voters. Not to mention, cutting medicare and medicaid and SS?
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I don't care what is is replaced with as long as my taxes go down
 
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I will be curious to see if the Republicans can rid themselves of the healthcare lobby. Between health insurance and pharmaceutical companies there are billions of dollars at stake for them.

I had to find a new doctor this year because my independent doc for the last 10+ years closed up and went to work for a corporation. The doctors I called would only accept me if I had company paid for insurance, not an ACA policy. That told me something.
 
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VolStrom said:
I will be curious to see if the Republicans can rid themselves of the healthcare lobby. Between health insurance and pharmaceutical companies there are billions of dollars at stake for them.

I had to find a new doctor this year because my independent doc for the last 10+ years closed up and went to work for a corporation. The doctors I called would only accept me if I had company paid for insurance, not an ACA policy. That told me something.
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It's because the reimbursement for the doctor is awwful
 
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slobberknocker said:
Healthcare in our country is a complicated issue contrary to what many on here think. And I'm also thinking that those on here couldn't define the differences between deductibles/coinsurance/copays/OOP maximums etc. Just the usual back and forth bashing without having any worthwhile comments on where we go from here.
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Yeah it is a complicated issue, I agree but IMO the more the federal government is involved the more complicated it gets.
 
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It would be nice if both parties would act like adults, sit at a table, and hammer out a compromise. There are many parts of the ACA that are popular - staying on your parents coverage until your 26, can't be denied coverage if you have a pre-existing condition, etc. - for once, they should not be hyper-partisan hacks and get something done regardless of party affiliation. I'm not holding my breath.
 
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TN Ribs said:
It would be nice if both parties would act like adults, sit at a table, and hammer out a compromise. There are many parts of the ACA that are popular - staying on your parents coverage until your 26, can't be denied coverage if you have a pre-existing condition, etc. - for once, they should not be hyper-partisan hacks and get something done regardless of party affiliation. I'm not holding my breath.
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Me either. But I don't think anyone on here wants to go back to the good old days of pre-existing conditions and lifetime limits on coverage. Obviously Obamacare has major problems. But understand that the insurance companies sure as hell ain't on your side.
 
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TN Ribs said:
It would be nice if both parties would act like adults, sit at a table, and hammer out a compromise. There are many parts of the ACA that are popular - staying on your parents coverage until your 26, can't be denied coverage if you have a pre-existing condition, etc. - for once, they should not be hyper-partisan hacks and get something done regardless of party affiliation. I'm not holding my breath.
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Those are the two provisions they need to keep. Dump the rest of it and I think most people will be happy.
 
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