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LynxVol said:
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Interesting to hear Sonnie Crumbies name mentioned. He has done great things at TCU as a Co-OC. My only reserve would be does he call the plays or does the other guy? I won't pretend to know enough about TCU to know who does what but the offense is a spread attack and possibly similar. Anyone know if Sonnie calls the plays and/or lines up with Butch's offensive philosophies?
 
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BruinVol said:
It doesn't really matter when Debord was accepted here but he was and the reasoning given was it was to groom CZA.

Now the question is if Jones hires within is it going to cza or scott.
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You're still completely, baffling, mind-numbingly wrong. People came to accept Debord because of a number of reasons, from Butch's comfort with him, to his work with Brady, to his long list of previous experience, to his ability to work with the OL (which was godawful in 2014), to reports of how well he clicked with Dobbs when he visited and they broke down film together, even to his bowl win over Meyer at UF the year Tebow won the heisman.

Fact is, most got tired of being negative and decided to look for positives (which usually happens here given enough time).

But grooming Azzani was seen as, at most, a cherry on top. Most were assuming Azzani would find an OC job at a G5 within 2-3 years at the time.
 
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BruinVol said:
Yes posters quickly gave in to Debord just like they gave in to Butch after the Vandy game. This board is always going to give in to the company line and that is ok. The same will happen here if Scott or Azzanni is hired
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Happens all the time in life. If a situation is inevitable, you can either accept it and hope for the best or quit.

Like most here, quitting being a Volunteer is not an option or a desire for me, so I'm going to hope for the best.
 
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We need better recruiters on the defensive side of the ball. Get it done Butch. Go get a guy for DBs that can point to guys in the nfl or has been in the nfl.

This coaching offseason is going to be frustrating. Some guys have a history of elite offenses or defenses. Other guys have to be CEOs. Butch is a CEO type. Once he realizes it, he will be amongst the elite.
 
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BruinVol said:
Yes posters quickly gave in to Debord just like they gave in to Butch after the Vandy game. This board is always going to give in to the company line and that is ok. The same will happen here if Scott or Azzanni is hired
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Once the hire is made, whoever it is, what are we supposed to do. You either get behind them and hope they work out or you wallow in misery and complain about them until they are fired. I will always root for success because you never know what will happen. I refuse to bash Butch because if he turns it around and we win 10+ games next year, I don't want to have any posts that can be bumped showing me with a pitchfork and noose ready to lynch the man. I think that Butch needs someone with OC experience but if he goes with Z or LS then they will be the man for at least one year. If they are successful then it should be for multiple years. No sense getting to worked up if that is the route they go. People will say their piece but then we will move on and cheer for Team 121.
 
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BruinVol said:
Yes posters quickly gave in to Debord just like they gave in to Butch after the Vandy game. This board is always going to give in to the company line and that is ok. The same will happen here if Scott or Azzanni is hired
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I agree with that.


But this whole conversation started when you said people were happy with Debord being hired because he could groom Azzani to be the next OC. And that's not true. At all.

Does that mean that Azzani would be a bad OC we'd all never accept? No, not necessarily. But that's not the point you were making initially lol you've just changed your tune because the entire board called you out on making ish up.
 
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Darth_Shiveman said:
I agree with that.


But this whole conversation started when you said people were happy with Debord being hired because he could groom Azzani to be the next OC. And that's not true. At all.

Does that mean that Azzani would be a bad OC we'd all never accept? No, not necessarily. But that's not the point you were making initially lol you've just changed your tune because the entire board called you out on making ish up.
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That's called moving the goal post.
 
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Darth_Shiveman said:
You're still completely, baffling, mind-numbingly wrong. People came to accept Debord because of a number of reasons, from Butch's comfort with him, to his work with Brady, to his long list of previous experience, to his ability to work with the OL (which was godawful in 2014), to reports of how well he clicked with Dobbs when he visited and they broke down film together, even to his bowl win over Meyer at UF the year Tebow won the heisman.

Fact is, most got tired of being negative and decided to look for positives (which usually happens here given enough time).

But grooming Azzani was seen as, at most, a cherry on top. Most were assuming Azzani would find an OC job at a G5 within 2-3 years at the time.
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This is accurate. The RF in general will eventually swing back to the positive because we are usually looking to the future and hoping for the best. Maybe Bruin was hanging out in the FF when Debo was hired and is getting his forums crossed?
 
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utvols88 said:
We need better recruiters on the defensive side of the ball. Get it done Butch. Go get a guy for DBs that can point to guys in the nfl or has been in the nfl.

This coaching offseason is going to be frustrating. Some guys have a history of elite offenses or defenses. Other guys have to be CEOs. Butch is a CEO type. Once he realizes it, he will be amongst the elite.
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It's not that simple of a path for him to get to "elite." It takes more than just knowing when to delegate.
 
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glichtenwalter said:
This is accurate. The RF in general will eventually swing back to the positive because we are usually looking to the future and hoping for the best. Maybe Bruin was hanging out in the FF when Debo was hired and is getting his forums crossed?
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Idk, the FF was super, super down on it for quite some time. And Bruin's trying to say we were all jazzed about it because it meant we could make Azzani the guy a few years down the road?

Doesn't make sense
 
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Darth_Shiveman said:
Idk, the FF was super, super down on it for quite some time. And Bruin's trying to say we were all jazzed about it because it meant we could make Azzani the guy a few years down the road?

Doesn't make sense
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You probably right. Bruin is probably just trying to stir the ish like he usually does. I'll leave it be because he is probably getting the Jergens right now.
 
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Swain is making a lot of sense on twitter. I'm beginning to come around more to the idea of promoting Z or Scott. It is dangerous to bring in a guy with a new scheme and have the players try and learn it and also the coach get acquainted with the players he's working with. I don't think there is anything wrong with the plays, it was the predictability with Debord and his conservative nature that held the offense back at times. A guy like Z or Scott who already knows the playbook and the players can go fast and be aggressive. Maybe promoting from within and adding a great QB coach may be the best option in this scenario.
 
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RockyTopInBham said:
Yikes. Could lose 5 DE's from our depth chart this year with Lewis & Vereen out of eligibility, Barnett going pro, plus McDaniel and now Mixon "murky". Looks like we need some more DE's in this class than we thought originally!
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Yup - we really can't afford to have many injuries to any position on the DL next season. Injuries on the OL and DL are bound to happen, but hopefully, the numbers won't be as devastating as they were this year.
 
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volssam said:
For the OC position, Butch should just wake up and let volnation call the plays by committee.
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Wouldn't work. We are to much like the villagers from The Quest for the Holy Grail.

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VAVolsFan2009 said:
For me, this OC hire is probably one of the most challenging I've see in a while. There are just no "no-brainer" options out there. The ones who fit the QB development role don't have play calling experience. The ones who fit both roles well, as just not viable candidates. For example, Tee Martin is just not ever coming to the Vols. In fact, I would be shocked if he ever left California because of his wife's career. Jim Bob Cooter would be perfect, but he is already being mentioned as a future NFL head coach. Just don't believe that college coaching is an option for him unless it is as a head coach. Helfrich just doesn't seem to be a good fit for the range of needs for the job, specifically play calling. Kelly is not one I would ever consider. My preferred candidate, LaFleur doesn't have play calling experience. On the surface, this hire would seem easy, but there are so many complicating factors. Throw on top that Jones wants to keep his basic offense in tack with some enhancements, finding the right candidate is tough.
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Good post with rational thinking.
 
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Don't know about y'all but I honestly care a lot more about who is the DB coach than the OC.....offense I think will be fine with who we have the DBs need a good coach BAD
 
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Bassmaster_Vol said:
Swain is making a lot of sense on twitter. I'm beginning to come around more to the idea of promoting Z or Scott. It is dangerous to bring in a guy with a new scheme and have the players try and learn it and also the coach get acquainted with the players he's working with. I don't think there is anything wrong with the plays, it was the predictability with Debord and his conservative nature that held the offense back at times. A guy like Z or Scott who already knows the playbook and the players can go fast and be aggressive. Maybe promoting from within and adding a great QB coach may be the best option in this scenario.
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