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Hey guys, long-time lurker but new poster to this forum (2x)... This may have already been discussed here, but I wondered the opinion of the 300 BlackOut round? I have .223/5.56, a 6.5 CM, and a .308, but I'm looking to build a rifle on the AR platform and was thinking about the 300 BlackOut... Thoughts? Opinions?
 
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Grand Vol said:
Once you go black, you'll never go back.
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I've shot ARs/M16s my whole military career. I much prefer my Kalish or a CETME. While Kalishes are as accurate, they are much more durable (assuming that you don't have a junked up one). I have a M70AB2 that I would trade for any AR platform. If I want long range, I have a Winchester Model 70 in .30-06 that'll do the trick. There are so many other great platforms that are largely ignored. For me, I want a PTR, HCAR, and a Tavor.
 
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KSPVol36 said:
Hey guys, long-time lurker but new poster to this forum (2x)... This may have already been discussed here, but I wondered the opinion of the 300 BlackOut round? I have .223/5.56, a 6.5 CM, and a .308, but I'm looking to build a rifle on the AR platform and was thinking about the 300 BlackOut... Thoughts? Opinions?
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I've built a 300BO. In case you didn't know it uses the exact same components except for the barrel. Even the mags are the same. It's ballistics are that of a 30/30 so you can hunt deer and such with it. The big advantage IMO is it is very good suppressed. Since the case can house a heavier round. Subsonic rounds are not an issue as with 556. I have a Saker 7.62 suppressor on order and awaiting tax stamp. I can't wait to see how quiet it is firsthand. Go on YouTube and there are many videos of 300BO, subsonic, suppressed. Also I might add that ammo is about two times the cost of 556.
 
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SergeantVol said:
I've shot ARs/M16s my whole military career. I much prefer my Kalish or a CETME. While Kalishes are as accurate, they are much more durable (assuming that you don't have a junked up one). I have a M70AB2 that I would trade for any AR platform. If I want long range, I have a Winchester Model 70 in .30-06 that'll do the trick. There are so many other great platforms that are largely ignored. For me, I want a PTR, HCAR, and a Tavor.
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And you call yourself an American?
 
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InVOLuntary said:
I've built a 300BO. In case you didn't know it uses the exact same components except for the barrel. Even the mags are the same. It's ballistics are that of a 30/30 so you can hunt deer and such with it. The big advantage IMO is it is very good suppressed. Since the case can house a heavier round. Subsonic rounds are not an issue as with 556. I have a Saker 7.62 suppressor on order and awaiting tax stamp. I can't wait to see how quiet it is firsthand. Go on YouTube and there are many videos of 300BO, subsonic, suppressed. Also I might add that ammo is about two times the cost of 556.
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Thank you for the response and info. I'm itching to build a rifle on the AR platform, and I considered building an AR10 chambered in 6.5 CM. The more I thought about it the more I feel like that round as a semi-auto really is contradictory: long-range as opposed to utilitarian. So now I'm looking for a round, other than one I already have, which to build around.

I'm just starting to look for a round, but I did read the 300BO used the same compenents as the AR15. I'm actually glad of that...price wise compared to the AR10. That will help ease the cost of the more expensive round!! Lol.... I'm certainly open to any other round suggestion anyone may have.
 
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KSPVol36 said:
Thank you for the response and info. I'm itching to build a rifle on the AR platform, and I considered building an AR10 chambered in 6.5 CM. The more I thought about it the more I feel like that round as a semi-auto really is contradictory: long-range as opposed to utilitarian. So now I'm looking for a round, other than one I already have, which to build around.

I'm just starting to look for a round, but I did read the 300BO used the same compenents as the AR15. I'm actually glad of that...price wise compared to the AR10. That will help ease the cost of the more expensive round!! Lol.... I'm certainly open to any other round suggestion anyone may have.
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GrandVol has convinced me to build a 6.8SPC.

Same platform as the AR15. The differences are the barrel, bolt (not the whole BCG), and the mag.
 
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InVOLuntary said:
GrandVol has convinced me to build a 6.8SPC.

Same platform as the AR15. The differences are the barrel, bolt (not the whole BCG), and the mag.
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So I read the 6.8SPC is a good gap round between the .223 and the .308. Would you and GrandVol agree? How would you guys rate the 6.8SPC against the 6.5G?
 
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SergeantVol said:
Just not into ARs. Happens when you shoot them all the time for 15+ years.
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I shot them for 20 years just like you. Everything from the original M16 variants (not even the A1 mods, the original four digit serial numbered versions) up to the A2 and onto the M4. I used to think I hated it as well and tried and tried to love something else. I've owned WASR's and SLR-107F's, sold them off along with the ammo and mags and accessories. Even briefly had a 74 model, sold it as well before I had a lot invested in it. Had a PTR-91 that came from the original JLD Enterprises (built with H&K parts), sold it off. Loved my M1A Loaded, but it went in a two for one trade. Even dicked around with a Bushmaster M17S that a friend owned and thought I had the ultimate rifle. Nope. Still own a piston AR, but sits gathering dust in my safe.

But with everything I've had over the years, I kept coming back to the AR family because of the familiarity and the simple fact it's so modular. I want a new caliber? Two pins popped, swap upper, done. Don't like your grip? Five minute swap. Want to add a bunch of tactical-ninja gear? Easy as pie.

It's not that I didn't like the others as I like anything that goes boom for the most part. But it's more of the fact I just liked the AR family (to include the -10 series) a little more.
 
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KSPVol36 said:
So I read the 6.8SPC is a good gap round between the .223 and the .308. Would you and GrandVol agree? How would you guys rate the 6.8SPC against the 6.5G?
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Honestly, what's the use? Both have their ups and downs.

6.8 is not as barrel dependent as the 6.5. It was designed for 16 inch barrels and has a fast burning powder so it's already got it's giddy up by the time it's left the muzzle. 6.5G on the other hand only really starts to shine after 16 inches of barrel and really comes into it's known range and accuracy in about 18-20 inches.

However...

The 6.5G will beat the 6.8 six ways to Sunday in the accuracy department, especially when talking 18 inch barrel. There is no doubt worldwide, the 6.5 caliber is king of the long range shooting. Whether it's a 6.5 Creedmore, 6.5 Lapua, .260 Remington, 6.5 Swede, etc, most long range shooters will tell you the 6.5 gets it done just as easily as any .30 caliber.

But for us common man, the ranges of 500 yards or less, it's flip a coin. Both are accurate enough within that range. However, start going beyond 500 and the 6.5, especially out of a longer barrel (say 18 inches) really starts to become a great rifle caliber. There is slightly more availability with 6.8 factory loadings right now, but that's changing. Both have proprietary magazines, bolts and barrels. Both have greater ballistics than the 5.56 out to range.

Flip a coin. Either one will serve you well.

Basically, if I had to pick a single fighting rifle and could have unlimited ammo for a SHTF scenario, I'd probably go with a 6.5 Grendel in an 18 inch barrel with a 1-8 adjustable scope and the Hornady 123 grain SST. While I wouldn't feel under-gunned with a 5.56 or a 6.8, the ability to reach out further and say hello to my little friend gives a distinct advantage to the 6.5 Grendel.
 
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Grand Vol said:
I shot them for 20 years just like you. Everything from the original M16 variants (not even the A1 mods, the original four digit serial numbered versions) up to the A2 and onto the M4. I used to think I hated it as well and tried and tried to love something else. I've owned WASR's and SLR-107F's, sold them off along with the ammo and mags and accessories. Even briefly had a 74 model, sold it as well before I had a lot invested in it. Had a PTR-91 that came from the original JLD Enterprises (built with H&K parts), sold it off. Loved my M1A Loaded, but it went in a two for one trade. Even dicked around with a Bushmaster M17S that a friend owned and thought I had the ultimate rifle. Nope. Still own a piston AR, but sits gathering dust in my safe.

But with everything I've had over the years, I kept coming back to the AR family because of the familiarity and the simple fact it's so modular. I want a new caliber? Two pins popped, swap upper, done. Don't like your grip? Five minute swap. Want to add a bunch of tactical-ninja gear? Easy as pie.

It's not that I didn't like the others as I like anything that goes boom for the most part. But it's more of the fact I just liked the AR family (to include the -10 series) a little more.
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Maybe later on down the road I'll look into ARs again.
 
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Picked up a Ruger LC9S for the father in law for Christmas. Anyone here have one of these? It feels nice..that's about all I can say about it as of now.
 
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Grand Vol said:
Honestly, what's the use? Both have their ups and downs.

6.8 is not as barrel dependent as the 6.5. It was designed for 16 inch barrels and has a fast burning powder so it's already got it's giddy up by the time it's left the muzzle. 6.5G on the other hand only really starts to shine after 16 inches of barrel and really comes into it's known range and accuracy in about 18-20 inches.

However...

The 6.5G will beat the 6.8 six ways to Sunday in the accuracy department, especially when talking 18 inch barrel. There is no doubt worldwide, the 6.5 caliber is king of the long range shooting. Whether it's a 6.5 Creedmore, 6.5 Lapua, .260 Remington, 6.5 Swede, etc, most long range shooters will tell you the 6.5 gets it done just as easily as any .30 caliber.

But for us common man, the ranges of 500 yards or less, it's flip a coin. Both are accurate enough within that range. However, start going beyond 500 and the 6.5, especially out of a longer barrel (say 18 inches) really starts to become a great rifle caliber. There is slightly more availability with 6.8 factory loadings right now, but that's changing. Both have proprietary magazines, bolts and barrels. Both have greater ballistics than the 5.56 out to range.

Flip a coin. Either one will serve you well.

Basically, if I had to pick a single fighting rifle and could have unlimited ammo for a SHTF scenario, I'd probably go with a 6.5 Grendel in an 18 inch barrel with a 1-8 adjustable scope and the Hornady 123 grain SST. While I wouldn't feel under-gunned with a 5.56 or a 6.8, the ability to reach out further and say hello to my little friend gives a distinct advantage to the 6.5 Grendel.
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Well, I'd like to say I have a specific intended use, but I really don't. I think I'll use it for coyote hunting, but I think that's a utilitarian justification for the desire to own/build a rifle.

In relation to the other convo about ARs, I'm a big fan. I like the versatility of the platform, and I'm most familiar with it via my military service and current employment. I own an AR15 (5.56/.223), AR10 (7.62/.308), and the RPR in 6.5CM. I bought all of those, and now I want to build one. That's what leads me here with these questions.

I have a touch of OCD, and it just doesn't make sense to me to build/own another 5.56 or 7.62. So, I'm searching for a rifle that provides a balance of what I have and that is "justifiable" (loosely used word).

So, to dumb your info down to my level, I should really base my decision on desired range usage and a barrel length I'm willing to use, correct? I've watched several videos on YouTube about both rounds, and each video also has the 300BO in them. So, per my original question, what are your thoughts on the 300BO generally, and compared to the 6.5 and 6.8?

Any info would be appreciated.
 
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