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LouderVol said:
Unless it's on backlog I should have my FAL next week, I am really excited.

I have some general questions as a new gun owner.

General storage and transportation.

1. This seems really dumb but is it OK to keep a magazine (empty) in while storing or keep it empty if not in use?

Won't hurt a thing

2. I am going to travel across a lot of southern state lines with it, anything to know about that? Or a good rule of thumb for safe transportation?

Don't travel with it loaded. Or mags loaded with the rifle in the same case. Put it in the trunk and out of sight. Common sense stuff.

3. Suggested methods of transport? The gun comes with a hard case, I figure I am buying bulk ammo that comes in it own box. Is it worth getting a better "box" than what it comes with? Should the ammo be locked up? Should I carry all the misc. Stuff in one bag or is it best to keep things separated as much as possible?

Generally the factory case is fine for most. The "other" stuff, ammo, mags and whatnot it's your choice.

Gun/round questions.

4. What I got is a 308 Winchester, why is Winchester specified? Is it any different than any other 308?

As noted before, Winchester designed the round.

5. The extra magazines I ordered say 308 winchester metric. I know they go with the gun but why does it say metric? I thought it was the American round?

Has nothing to do with the round. Making a long story short, the FAL was created with two different "standards" so to speak. The inch pattern, mainly British and Canadian versions and the European versions which are metric. The magazines are not compatible between the inch pattern and the metric. So if you get spare mags, make sure they are the metric pattern.

6. This goes with the last question too, I know the 308 is basically the 7.62x51 round. How close are they? Will my gun chamber a 7.62, will it chamber a 7.62 any different? Or is it worth just sticking to a round sold as a 308?

.308 is just the civilian designation of the 7.62x51. Either will be fine. The 7.62 military surplus tends to be cheaper, so if you are looking at blasting ammo, that'll do it.

7. When I get the gun is there any thing I should do first? Bham mentioned cleaning factory gunk out. I figure I can start there and get some familiarity with the gun before I go shooting.

Read the instruction manual. Sounds goofy, but worth your time. Clean it.


General maintenance:
8. I figure it gets cleaned after every shooting, is it also like a car where it is a good idea to "check the battery" if I don't use it for a while?

Won't hurt a bit to clean it every so often even if it's not being used.

9. Another really dumb question. Is there a preferred cleaning kit? For rifles vs pistol?

Lot's of people swear by the Otis kits. But it's kind of what you want. I would invest in a Boresnake though. Best cleaning investment you'll ever make.

10. Ear and eye protection I know about, anything else to get? I figure I will do ear muffs and plugs firing a big round.

Sounds like a good start.

Sorry for the battery of questions. I have googled most of these and gotten a barrage of information and just had information overload. I will also be sure to read the owners manual before starting, some answers might be there.
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Let me know when you want to get an AR :)
 
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Thanks for the responses guys. I know these aren't toys so I am trying to learn as much as I can. I am comfortable with handguns, a rifle will be fairly new for me.
 
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InVOLuntary said:
question for Grand.

Been reading up on the 6.8 in particular the barrel. I am awaiting a tax stamp on a suppressor. If I build the 6.8 I would like to be able to use it suppressed. From what I call tell most 6.8 barrels have a twist rate of 1:10. One site says that they don't recommend shooting the 6.8 suppressed in a 1:10 barrel because of potential for bullet tumble. they make a 6.8 barrel with 1:7 twist that they claim is best suited for shooting suppressed.

What are your thoughts on twist rates for the 6.8?

What would be the downside to a 1:7 TR not shooting suppressed?
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Bump for GrandVol. :hi:
 
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VolAllen said:
Whew man...that really sucks. Walter should be rebranded as Issues lol. I love the old Ppk's and the history of the brand, but man their new stuff sucks.
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Not true at all. Most of their mainstream guns PPQ, P99, PPS, PPX are all rock solid, high quality (for price point on the PPX) and high reliability.

The CCP likely has design problems and is made by Umarex (Walther parent). The Smith PPKs had some problems but again not really a Walther problem.
 
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volinbham said:
Not true at all. Most of their mainstream guns PPQ, P99, PPS, PPX are all rock solid, high quality (for price point on the PPX) and high reliability.

The CCP likely has design problems and is made by Umarex (Walther parent). The Smith PPKs had some problems but again not really a Walther problem.
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I've had a S&W Ppks, Umarex Ppks .22lr, Pk380, and they were all trash. My brother has the P22 that I got him and it doesn't seem to have any issues. But now I'm hearing about your CCP and I'm wondering if they can get anything right.

I don't think they make a P99 anymore, but I could be wrong. The PPQ and PPX are too big to conceal carry, in my opinion, so they're useless.

The PPS M2 has my attention, but I'm not very optimistic about its reliability.

I understand that S&W and Umarex aren't Walter, but it is still very much a Walther problem if it's got the brand on it.
 
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VolAllen said:
I've had a S&W Ppks, Umarex Ppks .22lr, Pk380, and they were all trash. My brother has the P22 that I got him and it doesn't seem to have any issues. But now I'm hearing about your CCP and I'm wondering if they can get anything right.

I don't think they make a P99 anymore, but I could be wrong. The PPQ and PPX are too big to conceal carry, in my opinion, so they're useless.

The PPS M2 has my attention, but I'm not very optimistic about its reliability.

I understand that S&W and Umarex aren't Walter, but it is still very much a Walther problem if it's got the brand on it.
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They still make the P99 in several sizes including a compact.

P22 is Umarex as well.

The size of the PPQ and PPX doesn't make them unreliable or crap and the PPS is rock solid. So in my book anything Walther makes themselves is on par with other top manufacturers.
 
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volinbham said:
They still make the P99 in several sizes including a compact.

P22 is Umarex as well.

The size of the PPQ and PPX doesn't make them unreliable or crap and the PPS is rock solid. So in my book anything Walther makes themselves is on par with other top manufacturers.
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Trust me, I want to love Walther. Because I can't stand M&P, S&W, Glock, and all that other stuff. But I've seen very few reliable Walthers. They look and feel great, but everyone I've ever known to own one has had problems. Your CCP is proving that once again. Please buy a PPS and tell me how great it is, because I really want one. I just don't want to end up buying one and selling it like all the others.

And for the record, my 65 Ppk is my favorite gun that I own, so I am in no way a Walther hater.
 
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VolAllen said:
Trust me, I want to love Walther. Because I can't stand M&P, S&W, Glock, and all that other stuff. But I've seen very few reliable Walthers. They look and feel great, but everyone I've ever known to own one has had problems. Your CCP is proving that once again. Please buy a PPS and tell me how great it is, because I really want one. I just don't want to end up buying one and selling it like all the others.

And for the record, my 65 Ppk is my favorite gun that I own, so I am in no way a Walther hater.
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Read the reviews of the PPS - either gen; no issues at all. Read the forums, no problems. Don't take my word for it.
 
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Grand Vol said:
Suppressors I have no idea about since that's not my thing. Most of the high end manufacturers tend to think the 1/11 twist is ideal for the size bullets one shoots in the 6.8.
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Yeah, you'd said you weren't into the suppressor thing to much but I was more curious as to the 1:7 some say is best for suppressed. Do you think that much twist would present a problem unsupressed?
 
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InVOLuntary said:
Yeah, you'd said you weren't into the suppressor thing to much but I was more curious as to the 1:7 some say is best for suppressed. Do you think that much twist would present a problem unsupressed?
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Wouldn't think so. However, when you have names like Noveske and Wilson Combat using the 1/11, I'd tend to think they are onto something.

I read up on the subject and saw Bison is the ones making the faster twist for the larger projectiles. I'd dare say you have a lot of reloaders out there using .270 heavy bullets in their setups for the 6.8. Like 140 grain and up range that keeps the bullet weight up and the velocity down in the subsonic range. And you would need a faster twist to stabilize said rounds. But if you are looking at factory ammo in the 90-120 grain range, I doubt the faster twist makes a serious difference.

So, the overall question to ask yourself is how often do you plan to reload heavy bullets and how often are you shooting suppressed? If you are going on factory ammo alone, the twist rate isn't going to matter a hill of beans in the long run as the bullets will still be supersonic. If you want to reload and get serious about dampening the sound, you look at the heavier bullets that drop the velocity down to subsonic levels. But also, you have to look at the way those rounds were designed. They were meant for larger case capacity (like the .270 Winchester and the .270 Weatherby Mag) and to perform at supersonic velocities. If you use them for hunting, it's no different than using a FMJ load since going that slow will hamper the ability of SP to perform. As well as the obvious penetration issues in game animals.
 
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Grand Vol said:
Wouldn't think so. However, when you have names like Noveske and Wilson Combat using the 1/11, I'd tend to think they are onto something.

I read up on the subject and saw Bison is the ones making the faster twist for the larger projectiles. I'd dare say you have a lot of reloaders out there using .270 heavy bullets in their setups for the 6.8. Like 140 grain and up range that keeps the bullet weight up and the velocity down in the subsonic range. And you would need a faster twist to stabilize said rounds. But if you are looking at factory ammo in the 90-120 grain range, I doubt the faster twist makes a serious difference.

So, the overall question to ask yourself is how often do you plan to reload heavy bullets and how often are you shooting suppressed? If you are going on factory ammo alone, the twist rate isn't going to matter a hill of beans in the long run as the bullets will still be supersonic. If you want to reload and get serious about dampening the sound, you look at the heavier bullets that drop the velocity down to subsonic levels. But also, you have to look at the way those rounds were designed. They were meant for larger case capacity (like the .270 Winchester and the .270 Weatherby Mag) and to perform at supersonic velocities. If you use them for hunting, it's no different than using a FMJ load since going that slow will hamper the ability of SP to perform. As well as the obvious penetration issues in game animals.
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That is kinda the way I was thinking. I'm not a reloader but there are some subsonic rounds available. I am sure I would use it unsupressed or at least supersonic 90% of the time. I guess what I'm saying is I want the best of both worlds. I want my cake and it it too.
 
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InVOLuntary said:
That is kinda the way I was thinking. I'm not a reloader but there are some subsonic rounds available. I am sure I would use it unsupressed or at least supersonic 90% of the time. I guess what I'm saying is I want the best of both worlds. I want my cake and it it too.
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Go with a 1/10 or a 1/11 and don't look back. This isn't a 5.56 AR where the barrel twist has major implications on the variety of factory ammo.
 
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