Mykelle McDaniel Suspended

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iam4utalways said:
let's say you are a 2 car family, you park the new expensive car in the driveway while your a to b car(not as nice) is safe and sound in the garage, while the offender is 100% responsible for stealing your nice car, it's your own fault for not putting the junker in the driveway and the nice one in the garage.

What does this have to do with our players and coaches? Nothing, i'm glad you brought it up, park your nice car in the garage and the junker in the driveway.
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VolBricks said:
Cookie to a donut the kid has some other issue than just missing practice. My bet is on grades.
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I do not speculate when someone is suspended. That is an injustice to the player, team and coaches. We always seem to find out rather we need to now or not.
 
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sjt18 said:
Who recruited this kid to the team? Who is responsible for team discipline?
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The lengths you go to, in order to bash CBJ..are truly remarkable.

The only good that comes out of it, is the fact your bias runs so deep that everything you say gets completely ignored by the large majority of the board.

I truly hope you find some sort of joy in your life, so that maybe you will stop trying to drag others into the pit of despair that you call life.
 
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ImportedVoL said:
The lengths you go to, in order to bash CBJ..are truly remarkable.

The only good that comes out of it, is the fact your bias runs so deep that everything you say gets completely ignored by the large majority of the board.

I truly hope you find some sort of joy in your life, so that maybe you will stop trying to drag others into the pit of despair that you call life.
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The guy loved Dooley, FWIW.
 
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Iam4utalways said:
Let's say you are a 2 car family, you park the new expensive car in the driveway while your A to B car(not as nice) is safe and sound in the garage, while the offender is 100% responsible for stealing your nice car, it's your own fault for not putting the junker in the driveway and the nice one in the garage.

What does this have to do with our players and coaches? Nothing, I'm glad you brought it up, park your nice car in the garage and the junker in the driveway.
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This is the same exact logic that people use to say because a woman dresses sexy, or gets drunk that it is her own fault if she gets abused..

It is faulty logic and completely ignorant in both cases...just saying
 
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ImportedVoL said:
This is the same exact logic that people use to say because a woman dresses sexy, or gets drunk that it is her own fault if she gets abused..

It is faulty logic and completely ignorant in both cases...just saying
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Talking about a jump. I'm just saying park the best car in the garage and the lesser ones in the driveway. I'm not justifying a car thief or a sexual assault, neither can be justified.

What ever happened to personal accountability? Judge me for my actions 100%, along with the action of those I'm responsible for being around. It's s 100/100 proposition. Anything less and you will let someone slide of their part of the responsibility of a situation.

It like Jordan down at Ole Miss, the school took full responsibility for him not being cleared to play and that's great, but as long as people are responsible for their own actions, then an erosion of accountability will continue.

I don't give Jordan a free pass and he got a raw deal.
 
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Iam4utalways said:
Let's say you are a 2 car family, you park the new expensive car in the driveway while your A to B car(not as nice) is safe and sound in the garage, while the offender is 100% responsible for stealing your nice car, it's your own fault for not putting the junker in the driveway and the nice one in the garage.

What does this have to do with our players and coaches? Nothing, I'm glad you brought it up, park your nice car in the garage and the junker in the driveway.
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In order to refuse payment for the stolen car, and put the responsibility on the car/property owner, the insurance company would have had to have included a rider in the policy (and clearly highlighted such rider) that they would not pay for the car if it were not parked in the garage. Further, they would probably fail to uphold that rider if taken to court, as the court could find such a rider extreme and undue hardship on the car/property owner.

So... Have you read Butch's contract? Is there a rider that he will be held responsible for every action that his recruits perform while at UT? As such, does it provide financial penalties toward Butch? Enable UT to fire him for cause and escape buyout penalties?

Or is it just a personal and unpublished clause that you created, no one else signed on to, and so it just gives one the option to cry in public?
 
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chargervol said:
Oh holy h***!
The only thing we've learned in this thread is that common core mathematics is a complete fail.
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These idiots are way too old to have experienced common core. If they had, they might have learned something. I mean it obviously couldn't have hurt :dunno:
 
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Orange_Crush said:
In order to refuse payment for the stolen car, and put the responsibility on the car/property owner, the insurance company would have had to have included a rider in the policy (and clearly highlighted such rider) that they would not pay for the car if it were not parked in the garage. Further, they would probably fail to uphold that rider if taken to court, as the court could find such a rider extreme and undue hardship on the car/property owner.

So... Have you read Butch's contract? Is there a rider that he will be held responsible for every action that his recruits perform while at UT? As such, does it provide financial penalties toward Butch? Enable UT to fire him for cause and escape buyout penalties?

Or is it just a personal and unpublished clause that you created, no one else signed on to, and so it just gives one the option to cry in public?
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Huh? I never considered that people would really park the junker in the garage while the show car is in the driveway. That doesn't happen. Why? It just doesn't.

As for me having access to Butch's contract, not that I know of, maybe it's out there on the internet. But no, I haven't gone thru it to see what clauses could be used to make a change on the cheap. I think the timing is off to make a change at HC and in not convinced a change is called for at HC.

The player did or didn't do something and he got suspended. Who is responsible? The player, the coaching staff, and even the "big brother" that was put in place to keep these guys on point. Personal accountability is not a new concept. For some it seems to be.
 
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Iam4utalways said:
Huh? I never considered that people would really park the junker in the garage while the show car is in the driveway. That doesn't happen. Why? It just doesn't.

As for me having access to Butch's contract, not that I know of, maybe it's out there on the internet. But no, I haven't gone thru it to see what clauses could be used to make a change on the cheap. I think the timing is off to make a change at HC and in not convinced a change is called for at HC.

The player did or didn't do something and he got suspended. Who is responsible? The player, the coaching staff, and even the "big brother" that was put in place to keep these guys on point. Personal accountability is not a new concept. For some it seems to be.
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My post went completely over your head.

PS: You blaming Butch for a player's actions under the umbrella of "personal" accountability is some serious word pasta.
 
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BaldBiker said:
Retired Marine. We championed...........other things.
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THANKS for your service Marine brother!

I only served in the Corps for 4 years and came out with a small service connected disability in 1975.

At my age I sure wish I could have served 20 or 30 years because I'd now have a decent retirement check to get by on.

CONGRATS on making it long enough to retire my brother.

Semper Fi!!!


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VFL...GBO!!!
 
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Orange_Crush said:
My post went completely over your head.

PS: You blaming Butch for a player's actions under the umbrella of "personal" accountability is some serious word pasta.
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Go back and look and count how many times is posted that 100% responsibility goes to the player. Why look past that? You and others act like Butch isn't 100% responsible for all Vol football, that's part of being HC.

This all came from my post, Get it together Butch! Do we not want him to get many things together so he can take us to the next level, competing for NCs. I know I want him to get it together, others act like they don't,
 
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Iam4utalways said:
Go back and look and count how many times is posted that 100% responsibility goes to the player. Why look past that? You and others act like Butch isn't 100% responsible for all Vol football, that's part of being HC.

This all came from my post, Get it together Butch! Do we not want him to get many things together so he can take us to the next level, competing for NCs. I know I want him to get it together, others act like they don't,
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It's because you seem to be really bad at math. You can't say that the player is 100% responsible, yet Butch is also responsible. It doesn't work.

Percent == Per-Cent == Per Centum == Per-100. You don't actually get more than 100% in situations like this.

You are actually saying that the player is partially responsible for his own actions, and Butch is partially responsible. That's the exact opposit of personal accountability--i.e. making someone else, besides the person, responsible for said person's actions.

You are actually saying that the player is partially responsible for his own action, b/c Butch is responsible for them since Butch recruited him. i.e. He would not have had opportunity to mess up and get suspended at UT if Butch had not rectuited him, taken his commitment and broght him to UT.

That's Butches job. Recruiting players. But Butch is not a fortune teller, nor a time traveler. So, all Butch can be held responsible for is how he responds to others' actions.

So Butch is not responsible for said players' actions. Butch is responsible for what he does about it--i.e. Butch is responsible for his own actions. This is "personal" responsibility--not making Butch culpable for someone else' actions, which is what you are trying to do.
 
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Orange_Crush said:
It's because you seem to be really bad at math. You can't say that the player is 100% responsible, yet Butch is also responsible. It doesn't work.

Percent == Per-Cent == Per Centum == Per-100. You don't actually get more than 100% in situations like this.

You are actually saying that the player is partially responsible for his own actions, and Butch is partially responsible. That's the exact opposit of personal accountability--i.e. making someone else, besides the person, responsible for said person's actions.

You are actually saying that the player is partially responsible for his own action, b/c Butch is responsible for them since Butch recruited him. i.e. He would not have had opportunity to mess up and get suspended at UT if Butch had not rectuited him, taken his commitment and broght him to UT.

That's Butches job. Recruiting players. But Butch is not a fortune teller, nor a time traveler. So, all Butch can be held responsible for is how he responds to others' actions.

So Butch is not responsible for said players' actions. Butch is responsible for what he does about it--i.e. Butch is responsible for his own actions. This is "personal" responsibility--not making Butch culpable for someone else' actions, which is what you are trying to do.
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Crushed it.
 
#122
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Orange_Crush said:
It's because you seem to be really bad at math. You can't say that the player is 100% responsible, yet Butch is also responsible. It doesn't work.

Percent == Per-Cent == Per Centum == Per-100. You don't actually get more than 100% in situations like this.

You are actually saying that the player is partially responsible for his own actions, and Butch is partially responsible. That's the exact opposit of personal accountability--i.e. making someone else, besides the person, responsible for said person's actions.

You are actually saying that the player is partially responsible for his own action, b/c Butch is responsible for them since Butch recruited him. i.e. He would not have had opportunity to mess up and get suspended at UT if Butch had not rectuited him, taken his commitment and broght him to UT.

That's Butches job. Recruiting players. But Butch is not a fortune teller, nor a time traveler. So, all Butch can be held responsible for is how he responds to others' actions.

So Butch is not responsible for said players' actions. Butch is responsible for what he does about it--i.e. Butch is responsible for his own actions. This is "personal" responsibility--not making Butch culpable for someone else' actions, which is what you are trying to do.
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Each person is %100 responsible for their own actions. If the person is a coach or a player, every individual is %100 responsible for their own actions. What part did each person have in what got this guy suspended?

I'm not even sure what the player did or didn't do, but the player is certainly 100% responsible for what was or wasn't.

Does Butch not hold some responsibility for the players he recruits and brings to the team? Or is he free from any and all responsibilities for the actions of the players that he brought to the team? I think he is responsible for his part just like the player is responsible for what did or didn't happen.

I'm glad you mentioned the fortune teller and time travel aspect of it all, that was almost overlooked by all the rational Vol fans, along with stolen cars( put the junker in the driveway and the collector in the garage, just saying, don't not do it because I'm the 1st to think of it, cause I'm not). It's like the fans choosing not to go to the bowl game, stop punishing yourself, go and enjoy, it's Nebraska.

Take their lunch money Vols!
 
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I don't think you can blame Butch at all for any kid getting in trouble. He can't hold their hands 24/7.

With that said I'd be highly surprised if this guy makes it back on the team.
 
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These are college kids. Have you all never attended college? Parents, professors, coaches, etc. while they can influence actions of the students, that have no control whatsoever over every decision a student makes.

All Coach Jones can do is:

- Validate as much as possible that a recruit he brings on board is NOT one that is going to get in trouble (i.e. don't recruit someone, no matter how good he is, if there is a high probability said recruit is going to be trouble off the field - the recruit doesn't help the team if suspended). That doesn't mean you don't take chances - just that he must consider this intangible.

- Through education try to help and prepare them for life as a college student and football player; By all accounts this is one area that Coach Jones excels at.

- Apply adequate and consistent discipline when incidents occur; another area where Coach Jones excels

At some point a person must learn to be accountable for their own actions.
 
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