In Praise of Josh Dobbs, Passing Quarterback

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For the record here are the best players in college football:

Offense
QB - Sam Darnold, Josh Dobbs
RB - Leonard Fournette, Saquon Barkley, Alvin Kamara, Ronald Jones II
WR - Corey Davis

Defense
DE - Myles Garrett, Arden Key
DT - Ed Oliver, Dexter Lawrence
DB - Derwin James, Cam Sutton


***FYI I judge players in college by how good they will be in the NFL.

These 13 players are the only surefire NFL pro-bowlers I see in college football right now.
 
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Dobbs 4 Heisman said:
He wasn't the best player in the country. He just put up the best stats. Two very different things.

The best player in college football (when healthy) is Myles Garrett.
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Lol. The kid has Jadaveon Clowney written all over him. Hes very athletically gifted and looks like stud (you'll like that), but doesn't actually do much once the lights come on....unless he's playing Sam Houston State or somebody like that. He's not even the best player, at all, in the SEC West. Not really close. He just doesn't produce, especially when he's playing great competition.


Also, let me get this straight. On one hand, you start this thread to pay homage to what a great passer Josh is, and you do so BASED SOLELY ON STATISTICS.

But then when some one points out that Lamar Jackson is a great player and cites his statistics as proof, you pretty much one has nothing to do with the other and are "two very different things".

You just can't make this stuff up. Do you not see how incredibly hypocritical you are with these statements?
 
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Dobbs 4 Heisman said:
He wasn't the best player in the country. He just put up the best stats. Two very different things.

The best player in college football (when healthy) is Myles Garrett.
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LOL. Not even close. You are just saying this because you believe he is a sure fire, cant miss NFL prospect. Just like Clowney, Vick, Jamarcus Russell, Ryan Leaf and others before him.
 
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Dobbs 4 Heisman said:
Reading comprehension buddy.

My point was Lamar Jackson essentially won the Heisman for dominating subpar competition. Primarily in the month of September when he scored 25 of his eventual 51 TDs.

Lamar Jackson in September = 25 TDs
Lamar Jackson last 8 games = 26 TDs

Obviously he was more prolific overall. But he also had the lions share of his production in one month against very weak defenses.
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Holy cherry pick.


If they had anywhere close to the same numbers, I could give you credit for this point, but to even remotely suggest that Dobbs and Jackson had "similar" seasons is just inaccurate IMO.
 
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Dobbs 4 Heisman said:
For the record here are the best players in college football:

Offense
QB - Sam Darnold, Josh Dobbs
RB - Leonard Fournette, Saquon Barkley, Alvin Kamara, Ronald Jones II
WR - Corey Davis

Defense
DE - Myles Garrett, Arden Key
DT - Ed Oliver, Dexter Lawrence
DB - Derwin James, Cam Sutton


***FYI I judge players in college by how good they will be in the NFL.

These 13 players are the only surefire NFL pro-bowlers I see in college football right now.
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Double Down
 
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BearCat204 said:
Holy cherry pick.


If they had anywhere close to the same numbers, I could give you credit for this point, but to even remotely suggest that Dobbs and Jackson had "similar" seasons is just inaccurate IMO.
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You ever hear of the old saying "don't ever get into an argument with an idiot. They'll drag you down to their level and beat you with experience."?

You're falling right into the trap.
 
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Grand Vol said:
You ever hear of the old saying "don't ever get into an argument with an idiot. They'll drag you down to their level and beat you with experience."?

You're falling right into the trap.
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I've been falling into it for over a year
 
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KBVol said:
Lol. The kid has Jadaveon Clowney written all over him. Hes very athletically gifted and looks like stud (you'll like that), but doesn't actually do much once the lights come on....unless he's playing Sam Houston State or somebody like that. He's not even the best player, at all, in the SEC West. Not really close. He just doesn't produce, especially when he's playing great competition.


Also, let me get this straight. On one hand, you start this thread to pay homage to what a great passer Josh is, and you do so BASED SOLELY ON STATISTICS.

But then when some one points out that Lamar Jackson is a great player and cites his statistics as proof, you pretty much one has nothing to do with the other and are "two very different things".

You just can't make this stuff up. Do you not see how incredibly hypocritical you are with these statements?
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I've been saying Josh is a great passer going all the way back to last year when the stats didn't support that argument. I don't need stats. I provide them for the less gifted to help aide them in seeing what I already see.

I've already said stats don't ever tell the whole or even half the story hence the reason I rarely cite them. But when they do I provide them as an aide to others. I don't need them.
 
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BigOrangeTrain said:
LOL. Not even close. You are just saying this because you believe he is a sure fire, cant miss NFL prospect. Just like Clowney, Vick, Jamarcus Russell, Ryan Leaf and others before him.
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No. I say it because he's the most talented player in the country. The fact he's the most talented is what makes him can't miss for the NFL.

And no he's nothing like Clowney or the rest of those busts you cited (not including Vick who has actually good). Myles Garrett is worlds better than Clowney. He's bigger, faster, stronger, and more athletic.
 
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Dobbs 4 Heisman said:
I've been saying Josh is a great passer going all the way back to last year when the stats didn't support that argument. I don't need stats. I provide them for the less gifted to help aide them in seeing what I already see.

I've already said stats don't ever tell the whole or even half the story hence the reason I rarely cite them. But when they do I provide them as an aide to others. I don't need them.
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So much bs here.

You cite stats when you think they serve your purpose and discount them when you don't. It's incredibly disingenuous and hypocritical and one of the reasons you command so little respect on VN.
 
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Dobbs 4 Heisman said:
No. I say it because he's the most talented player in the country. The fact he's the most talented is what makes him can't miss for the NFL.

And no he's nothing like Clowney or the rest of those busts you cited (not including Vick who has actually good). Myles Garrett is worlds better than Clowney. He's bigger, faster, stronger, and more athletic.
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No he's not. Your youth and inexperience is really showing here. It's not remotely true that the most talented players always make best NFL players. Garrett has a competitive issue....he doesn't play his best vs the best collegiate competition. Unless he changes that, he has bust written all over him....like Jadaveon Clowney.
 
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KBVol said:
This is absolute gibberish and illogical. And to further my point, based on your last sentence, remind us how he fared vs the best defense in the country....here, I'll remind you....16-27 for 92 yards, zero tds, a pick 6 and his lowest qb rating of the season. That certainly wasn't all his fault by any stretch, but his stats were what they were.....which is light years worse than what we saw from those bad defenses the last 1/3 of the year.

No, I gave Josh credit for making great improvements in passing the ball, especially downfield, and that was huge. He gets credit for that. But when you look closer at the numbers, it gives us more truth and context to what was overall a very good season for Josh. He was average at times, a couple times he was pretty bad and was phenomenal at times....and the competition he was playing played a role in how we saw him perform.
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I agree 100% with the texture that you have added KB. JD was not a great intermediate passer. He was good on the short and long plays and it goes without saying that he was a brilliant runner. He was inconsistent at times ...being equally great and bad ...sometimes in the same game . I love the guy as a person and I think that a better offense could have been crafted to accentuate his strengths ( running ) and shade his weaknesses ( don't make the guy into a west coast passer ) Just my thoughts
 
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KBVol said:
Lol. The kid has Jadaveon Clowney written all over him. Hes very athletically gifted and looks like stud (you'll like that), but doesn't actually do much once the lights come on....unless he's playing Sam Houston State or somebody like that. He's not even the best player, at all, in the SEC West. Not really close. He just doesn't produce, especially when he's playing great competition.


Also, let me get this straight. On one hand, you start this thread to pay homage to what a great passer Josh is, and you do so BASED SOLELY ON STATISTICS.

But then when some one points out that Lamar Jackson is a great player and cites his statistics as proof, you pretty much one has nothing to do with the other and are "two very different things".

You just can't make this stuff up. Do you not see how incredibly hypocritical you are with these statements?
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Only 3 QBs in UT history have had seasons with 25+ TD, 60+ comp% and 8+ypp avg.

H. Shuler 1993 (Heisman runner up)

P. Manning 1997 (Heisman runner up)

J. Dobbs 2016 (2cd all SEC)
 
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Orange_Vol1321 said:
Only 3 QBs in UT history have had seasons with 25+ TD, 60+ comp% and 8+ypp avg.

H. Shuler 1993 (Heisman runner up)

P. Manning 1997 (Heisman runner up)

J. Dobbs 2016 (2cd all SEC)
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Fully aware. Your post has absolutely nothing to do with the point I was making to D4H in mine.
 
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Against App State his numbers weren't great. The argument that he only excelled against weaker competition is flawed. Why didn't he excell against App State then? It's more likely that he just got better, period, the last four games.Imo anyways. He can make all the throws and I look forward to what he does in the NFL.
 
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KBVol said:
Fully aware. Your post has absolutely nothing to do with the point I was making to D4H in mine.
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If your going to argue with D4H then that's your fault.

My point is Josh Dobbs is good just like D4H says and doesn't get alot of the credit that he fully deserves.
 
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Orange_Vol1321 said:
If your going to argue with D4H then that's your fault.

My point is Josh Dobbs is good just like D4H says and doesn't get alot of the credit that he fully deserves.
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Well then don't quote one of my posts to make your point....when point has nothing to do with the discussion I was having with D4H.

Dobbs has been a very good qb for Tennessee and he made great strides throwing the ball this year.

The fact is that I've been advocating for and defending Josh Dobbs since he was a freshman, which is before D4H even joined VN. I just disagree that Dobbs is better than Deshaun Watson, should've won the Heisman and is a future first round pick and NFL HOFer. Are you sure your point is "Josh Dobbs is good just like D4H says"....cause if it is, you agree with those points.
 
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KBVol said:
Well then don't quote one of my posts to make your point....when point has nothing to do with the discussion I was having with D4H.

Dobbs has been a very good qb for Tennessee and he made great strides throwing the ball this year.

The fact is that I've been advocating for and defending Josh Dobbs since he was a freshman, which is before D4H even joined VN. I just disagree that Dobbs is better than Deshaun Watson, should've won the Heisman and is a future first round pick and NFL HOFer. Are you sure your point is "Josh Dobbs is good just like D4H says"....cause if it is, you agree with those points.
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And you also advocate Dobbs will also be drafted in the NFL, right?
 
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It doesn't matter how you spin it, when people think of Josh Dobbs 10 years from now, they will remember him as a running qb. He has way more highlight reel runs than passes, and the sports world will remember those running moments most.
 
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Orange_Vol1321 said:
And you also advocate Dobbs will also be drafted in the NFL, right?
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Yes, I believe he'll be drafted.....mid to late rounds.

However, I don't believe he was the best qb in the country this year, I don't believe he should've won the Heisman, I don't believe that he'll be drafted in the first round and I don't think he'll dominate the NFL on the way to the HOF.
 
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