Recruiting Forum Football Talk XXX

[LA Vol]

That's what I've been saying for some time. They look at this as numbers on a spreadsheet. What incentive is there to throwing a bunch of money at the football program? Recovering your investment is a very risky proposition. Your revenue is about tapped out. Why invest $6- $7m in a coach when you people buy up the product anyway? Guess who is one of the most profitable programs in ncaa football. I'll give you a hint, it ain't Bama.

And yet UT has stepped up the begging for bucks. They want donors to give more while they give less.

 

[InVOLuntary]

Here's an article from our own Clay Travis listing the most profitable College football programs. Notice the two at the top and where they stand today performance wise.

The 20 Most Profitable College Football Teams | Outkick The Coverage

Edit: Tennessee made $70 Million on $98 million in revenue. Where is the incentive to invest more into the program?

 

[Aesius]

We are literally repeating and reliving history.

If something eventually needs to be done, just go ahead and get it done. No one benefits from prolonging the inevitable.

Give the administrators some credit here. They're not just incompetent...they're also lazy and prone to procrastination.

 

[Dust10]

Our AD isn't going to pay a 9 million dollar buyout, so best drop that pipe dream right now.

 

[McGeesPub]

Our AD isn't going to pay a 9 million dollar buyout, so best drop that pipe dream right now.

Yep. Our fate rests solely on the generosity of another adrift athletic department.

 

[BigZiti09]

if the entire coaching staff needs an overhaul then just get rid of the man running everything. How tough is this?

$10,000,000.00

 

[LA Vol]

Our AD isn't going to pay a 9 million dollar buyout, so best drop that pipe dream right now.

And no other school is going to pay a $4M buyout for CBJ while matching his $4M salary. And CBJ isn't going to quit or take a big pay cut and leave millions on the table. And UT's admin isn't going to waive his buyout for another school then pay a buyout to hire someone else. So deductive reasoning tells us-- Butch is back, whether he wants to be or not.

 

[jave36]

I disagree and work in Arkansas a good bit. The folks I know don't feel he is a good fit and they are donors to the university. They are tired of his antics and don't see him as a coach that can elevate the program. His seat was hot coming into this year and became toasty after the bad LSU loss.

I live here and work with several of the big donors and hear the radio vibe every day. No one is thrilled, but they realize Arkansas is a tough place to win without a crop of elite instate recruits that happens once a decade at best, but they believe he's a guy who shouldn't be written off yet.

 

[McGeesPub]

And no other school is going to pay a $4M buyout for CBJ while matching his $4M salary. And CBJ isn't going to quit or take a big pay cut and leave millions on the table. And UT's admin isn't going to waive his buyout for another school then pay a buyout to hire someone else. So deductive reasoning tells us-- Butch is back, whether he wants to be or not.

And they certainly aren't going to make any concessions to get him out of here when they have a lame duck AD and chancellor who would in turn have to search for a new coach.

 

[InVOLuntary]

Oh yea, Alabama ranks 10th on the list at $46M on a revenue of $97M. Tell me who cares about results on the field. And those that have said if TN won more they'd generate more revenue, it is simply not true. The most successful football program in the history of college sports, makes about the same amount of revenue as a Tennessee team that hasn't sniffed a top ten ranking in a decade or more. The numbers don't lie, there is zero incentive to pay for a top coaching staff.

 

[RiotVol]

That's what I've been saying for some time. They look at this as numbers on a spreadsheet. What incentive is there to throwing a bunch of money at the football program? Recovering your investment is a very risky proposition. Your revenue is about tapped out. Why invest $6- $7m in a coach when you people buy up the product anyway? Guess who is one of the most profitable programs in ncaa football. I'll give you a hint, it ain't Bama.

As a college prof, this pisses me off. College football is the single biggest source of advertising for getting "butts in seats."

I'm at Mississippi State, and we just lost our R1 status, and yet we're bursting at the seams in enrollment. It doesn't take a rocket scientist to come to the conclusion that MSU's football team with Dak Prescott at the helm probably was a large part of the reason for us getting a multi-year massive bump in enrollment.

Instead, my alma mater is letting the football program die on the vine, and they're hiring undergrads to call me and beg for donations. I wonder how much the f@#$ing administrator who made that decision is making.

 

[Volator]

Edit: Tennessee made $70 Million on $98 million in revenue. Where is the incentive to invest more into the program?

I would like to see the underlying numbers because I know NO business that has a 70+% bottom line... Suspect he is not including some expense that is attributable to Football ops (such as debt service on the stadium renovations). We know CT has an axe to grind on CBJ and UT.

BTW, I do believe they should invest more into the program and hope the Fulmer/Manning committee will give them a blueprint.

 

[jave36]

Oh yea, Alabama ranks 10th on the list at $46M on a revenue of $97M. Tell me who cares about results on the field. And those that have said if TN won more they'd generate more revenue, it is simply not true. The most successful football program in the history of college sports, makes about the same amount of revenue as a Tennessee team that hasn't sniffed a top ten ranking in a decade or more. The numbers don't lie, there is zero incentive to pay for a top coaching staff.

There is a delay. The massive expectations fueled profits the past couple years. Next year will be a big decline in revenue.

 

[InVOLuntary]

I would like to see the underlying numbers because I know NO business that has a 70+% bottom line... Suspect he is not including some expense that is attributable to Football ops (such as debt service on the stadium renovations). We know CT has an axe to grind on CBJ and UT.

I was a Forbes article, Cly Travis just cited it:

Forbes Welcome

 

[Dust10]

And no other school is going to pay a $4M buyout for CBJ while matching his $4M salary. And CBJ isn't going to quit or take a big pay cut and leave millions on the table. And UT's admin isn't going to waive his buyout for another school then pay a buyout to hire someone else. So deductive reasoning tells us-- Butch is back, whether he wants to be or not.

Yep. At this point the only choice we have is to endure and hope he surprisingly turns it around next year. Also hoping for a strong close in recruiting.

 

[unioncityvol]

over under on how many times florida crosses the 50 saturday. i will go 3.

 

[Outofmyvolcanmind]

I live here and work with several of the big donors and hear the radio vibe every day. No one is thrilled, but they realize Arkansas is a tough place to win without a crop of elite instate recruits that happens once a decade at best, but they believe he's a guy who shouldn't be written off yet.

Well that's what I tell them. I really like Bielema.

 

[Outofmyvolcanmind]

Oh yea, Alabama ranks 10th on the list at $46M on a revenue of $97M. Tell me who cares about results on the field. And those that have said if TN won more they'd generate more revenue, it is simply not true. The most successful football program in the history of college sports, makes about the same amount of revenue as a Tennessee team that hasn't sniffed a top ten ranking in a decade or more. The numbers don't lie, there is zero incentive to pay for a top coaching staff.

Unless you like winning.

 

[orangeB]

If we go to the Music City Bowl, are club seats worth the extra money? I've only been to Nissan Stadium twice and one time I was in 300s and the other time 100s. I was going to be in Nashville on New Years Eve anyways.

 

[Glitch]

over under on how many times florida crosses the 50 saturday. i will go 3.

I'll take the under on that. Their offense is offensive.

 

[JCP201]

-Fort on whether UT is better off with or without Jones moving forward

Bolded is depressing. There is no coordinated "all-in" push from the administrators to make Tennessee great in football again. Just isn't a priority.

A team with a fan base which sets national attendance records should have a team that can win the SEC East and compete for NC.

 

[KPT_VFL]

A team with a fan base which sets national attendance records should have a team that can win the SEC East and compete for NC.

Makes me want to not waste my time or money and just watch from home.

 

[Volator]

I was a Forbes article, Cly Travis just cited it:

Forbes Welcome

Thanks. interesting article and it does show that Vols spent right at the SEC average (which is highest in the nation per conference). Alabama and Auburn spent significantly more than the average which means several schools were below... Yeah I am a numbers geek (CPA):rock:

 

[Ron Swanson]

Our AD isn't going to pay a 9 million dollar buyout, so best drop that pipe dream right now.

Concerning the $2.5mil/year Butch is owed if fired...

IMO that is not a consideration. If we had management in place, that buyout would not be a preventing factor in Butch being fired. We aren't firing him because there is no one to make a hire unless we want Hart or DiPeitro to do it.

I do not KNOW if he would be fired if those people were in place. just pointing out I don't see the buyout stopping it if people were there to make a decision

That's from a LWS post on VQ. He doesn't seem to think buyout is the issue.

 

[OGbabyaviVol]

over under on how many times florida crosses the 50 saturday. i will go 3.

I'll say 5, but will only score 6 points.