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amazingGRACE said:
How could anyone look at next years roster & think it'll be more complete than what it was this year?

Dobbs, Kamara, Malone, Weisman, JRM, Vereen, Barnett, Sutton...and even though he quit & wasn't used properly, Hurd is a big loss as well.

and that's not counting the inevitable transfers that happen every offseason. next year is almost a given 7-5, 8-4 year.
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IMO, roster is not the only thing you look at. Also depends on our opponents and where we play them. I don't think UF gets any better, and we get UGA at home.

I wouldn't be surprised at anything, but it's not unreasonable to go 9-3.
 
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amazingGRACE said:
My point is we're never going to out coach a team to victory.

Butch always loses the games he's supposed to lose, most of the time wins the games he's supposed to win, but too often loses the games he's supposed to win.
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Only two games in 4 years he has lost he was supposed to win .


Under that thinking Saban is a bad coach
 
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amazingGRACE said:
How could anyone look at next years roster & think it'll be more complete than what it was this year?

Dobbs, Kamara, Malone, Weisman, JRM, Vereen, Barnett, Sutton...and even though he quit & wasn't used properly, Hurd is a big loss as well.

and that's not counting the inevitable transfers that happen every offseason. next year is almost a given 7-5, 8-4 year.
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Offensive and defensive line should be a lot better. Barnett will hurt but we should be much better overall IMO.

We played the meat of our schedule without JRM and Sutton this year anyways. And played it without DK as well.

So really we really are only replacing Dobbs Kamara Barnett. If we find a qb that can pass and we can pass block better then we can replace Dobbs.

Malone is a junior. Could declare but I doubt it.
 
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VolGee4 said:
IMO, roster is not the only thing you look at. Also depends on our opponents and where we play them. I don't think UF gets any better, and we get UGA at home.

I wouldn't be surprised at anything, but it's not unreasonable to go 9-3.
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Regardless of where we play, who's getting marginally better/worse, do you have confidence that Butch is going to coach a less talented roster up to 9-10 wins?

If he's going to massively underachieve with a loaded roster, he's definitely going to underachieve when a good chunk of that talent is gone.
 
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barrylee said:
I understand all the angst about our season but do some of you really believe it is on a level with Dooley? I'm truly asking, not trying to be argumentative.

If we had these results with Maybin, Sutton and the DT's being around the entire year, then I see the comparison. I know most of you are tired of hearing the injury excuse but have you honestly ever seen a team go through a season with this type of reduction without a fall off in production? GBO
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I'm not talking about the quality of the two coaches or the performances of their respective teams. I talking about how both are going to have to make desperation coaching hires in what could be their final years. If Butch is on the hot seat which I firmly believe he is, it will be very difficult to hire quality coaches with the perception that 2017 is a make or break year. Dooley ended up with Sunseri, who will Butch end up with?.

I am in no way comparing the two from a coaching standpoint.
 
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The team leaders came right out and said that these losses have been disappointing, frustrating and unacceptable. If everybody from our HC down to our fans could just agree that this season was a colossal letdown and failed to meet reasonable expectations-- even with the injuries-- perhaps we could finish the grief cycle and move on... like Shoop's apparently doing.
 
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VolGee4 said:
IMO, roster is not the only thing you look at. Also depends on our opponents and where we play them. I don't think UF gets any better, and we get UGA at home.

I wouldn't be surprised at anything, but it's not unreasonable to go 9-3.
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Our Roster sets up really good next year. Anything from 11-1 to 6-6 is possible right now. Depends on coaching staff decisions, QB play and defense. The pieces are in place.
 
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BigZiti09 said:
Offensive and defensive line should be a lot better. Barnett will hurt but we should be much better overall IMO.

We played the meat of our schedule without JRM and Sutton this year anyways. And played it without DK as well.

So really we really are only replacing Dobbs Kamara Barnett. If we find a qb that can pass and we can pass block better then we can replace Dobbs.

Malone is a junior. Could declare but I doubt it.
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Can't tackle, can't cover, can't get off blocks, and generally just don't know what the hell they're doing. The defense is going to be an abomination again next year. We will be lucky to keep the never having lost eight games in a season streak alive.
 
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Ulysees E. McGill said:
Can't tackle, can't cover, can't get off blocks, and generally just don't know what the hell they're doing. The defense is going to be an abomination again next year. We will be lucky to keep the never having lost eight games in a season streak alive.
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Maybe our only hope is that Darrell Taylor turns into a f'n monster
 
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Ulysees E. McGill said:
It would be awesome, but The Tennessee way is for him to regress to peewee league status.
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It would be horrifying if our players started shrinking. One would have to suspect deep state airborne bio-engineering or just concede the LSU voodoo curse is still alive.
 
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amazingGRACE said:
Regardless of where we play, who's getting marginally better/worse, do you have confidence that Butch is going to coach a less talented roster up to 9-10 wins?

If he's going to massively underachieve with a loaded roster, he's definitely going to underachieve when a good chunk of that talent is gone.
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I don't know. But sometimes egos get in the way, and chemistry can be better with different rosters. I don't think a "chunk" of talent will be gone. We will be just as talented at OL, WR, LB, and DB. We have a slight downgrade at RB but still add Chandler. QB is a key.
 
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amazingGRACE said:
I don't mean just based off the odds.

Should have won OU, Arkansas, & UF last year.
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Disagree on Ark but Uf and OU I agree.

I really believed he had turned the corner after UGA 2015.

Losing the games that are there for the taking really stings. That's why this year it was so sweet to get the come from behind win vs Florida and to snatch victory from the sky in Georgia.
 
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BigZiti09 said:
Disagree on Ark but Uf and OU I agree.

I really believed he had turned the corner after UGA 2015.

Losing the games that are there for the taking really stings. That's why this year it was so sweet to get the come from behind win vs Florida and to snatch victory from the sky in Georgia.
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Before the games we were supposed to beat OU?

Florida?
 
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Better than 50/50 chance Malone leaves early, IMO. He had a good enough year to make it a real possibility. JSmith will graduate and might go, too.
 
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BruinVol said:
Hell no going into OU and Florida we weren't "supposed to win".

Maybe on Arkansas but they ended up having a solid year
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I just said its not based on the odds or favorite. No we weren't SUPPOSED to win going into the games, but being up double digits in the 4th against both teams, uh yeah we should have won those games
 
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BruinVol said:
Before the games we were supposed to beat OU?

Florida?
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No. We had way less talent than those two.

I was saying that we should have pulled out the W in those. That's kinda using Butch's success against him though. We were overachieving to be in a place to win those games IMO.
 
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BigZiti09 said:
Disagree on Ark but Uf and OU I agree.

I really believed he had turned the corner after UGA 2015.

Losing the games that are there for the taking really stings. That's why this year it was so sweet to get the come from behind win vs Florida and to snatch victory from the sky in Georgia.
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Yeah Arkansas was the only team that really outplayed us out of those 3. We didn't deserve to win that game.
 
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BigZiti09 said:
No. We had way less talent than those two.

I was saying that we should have pulled out the W in those. That's kinda using Butch's success against him though. We were overachieving to be in a place to win those games IMO.
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I am speaking on the winning games you weren't supposed to win or lose going into.

Heck yes we should have beaten OU and that's because our D played pit of its mind. We over achieved that day

Same kind of game with florida as well
 
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amazingGRACE said:
Which is basically at zero percentage wise. Especially if he didn't do it with this roster.

We literally haven't upset one single team since he's been here besides USCe in 2013.
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I think that is the big argument with him. Up until this year, you could argue that Butch had not underachieved. Last year we lost some games, but you certainly can't say that we were just head and shoulders better than those teams and just lost. Butch basically lived up to expectations last year. What he didn't do however, is overachieve, even though he had every opportunity to do so. He could have and really should have won every game in the regular season last year since he had leads in every one of them (some multiple possessions) and he lost 4. Butch has not overachieved at all. You look at Herman at Houston. Yeah he lost some head scratchers, but he also overachieved greatly with that squad going 6-0 against ranked opponents. So not only has Butch not overachieved, this year he dramatically underachieved. This teams should have been 11-1. No excuses whatsoever for going 8-4 with losses to Vandy and SC. You can argue quite strongly that we had the second best roster in the SEC and in a year that the SEC is down like no time in recent history, he laid an egg. I have defended him up until now, but at some point the losses last year and this year with pressure on him, this becomes a pattern. Does anyone really think that Butch is maximizing the talent at TN?
 
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