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volssam said:
Isnt that just a push back against political correctness and censorship ?

I mean isn't the whole safe space concept just in general people about getting offended when people disagree with them. Not racism.

Unless I am not understanding. Which is possible I guess. I will be 33 in less than two weeks. Maybe I'm out of touch
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Didn't say it WAS racist, just that someone could stretch it as racist...and likely did.
 
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volssam said:
Which is what I described above right? Its not racist. Just a pushback against people getting offended when people disagree with them ?
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It's a product of the loud, vocal minority that causes generalizations about both sounds.

Just like the left gets stereotyped as all cry-babies, socialists, communists, lazy, wants hand-outs etc.

And then with the right you add in the fact that there's always been some stereotype as maybe not outright racism, but not caring about black peoples and other minorities since a lot of programs Republicans would like to either cut completely or reduce funding to would effect minorities the most.

And then the whole circus around Trump with the KKK endorsement, his "locker room talk", and then Pence as VP who is arguably one of the most outspoken "anti-gay" leaders, basically pours gasoline over that whole stereotype and the caricature is born that all Trump supporters don't care about women, minoroties, or gays.


One of the worst things about the Internet when it comes to politics is the ability to completely immerse yourself with people with the exact same viewpoints and creating an echochamber where eventually anyone who disagrees has some fundamental character flaw and gets vilified.
 
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BigOrangeVols said:
A fetus made no choices. Everyone above made their own choices. When are they held responsible? So I will pick and choose from that list: a foreign refugee and people who can't afford health care deserve help. The others deserve help but only if they're willing to help themselves. Every sentence above is a topic in itself and is much broader.
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I'm not saying that deserve help. I'm saying they deserve LIFE. We can't be a society that discards folks after one mistake if we want to be pro-life. I'd get real lonely without the rest of you.
 
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glichtenwalter said:
From my perspective, there are over 1 million additional murders that take place every year that aren't counted in the criminal statistics quoted from the FBI on Wikipedia. From my perspective, we accept the murder of over 1 million innocent children every year to avoid the possibility that they may grow up to be criminals and leeches on society.
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2 things:
  1. It's logically inconsistent to count abortions as murder and not include other state endorsed killings such as the death sentence, lethal force used by police, etc.
  2. If you're against using abortion to limit the number of leeches on society, then you can't complain when those should-have-been abortions become leeches on society. Be consistent.


What about the possibility that somewhere in those millions of babies that have been aborted might have been a scientist that could have found the cure for cancer, Alzheimer's, multiple sclerosis, or any number of diseases. What about the possibility that somewhere in those millions of babies that have been aborted might have been an inventor that might have developed a new type of motor that runs more efficiently on cleaner fuel and creates less harmful exhausts. What about the possibility that somewhere in those millions of babies that have been aborted might have been a civil rights leader that spoke with such grace and eloquence that people could not help but unite together and move out of their distrust and racism. What about the possibility that somewhere in those millions of babies that have been aborted might have been a mom or a dad, a brother or a sister, a friend or a neighbor that lives on a normal street and lives a normal life.
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This argument works both ways though. It could have been the next hitler, BTK killer, Lee Harvery Oswalt, or Nick Saban.

Did they deserve to die without ever having the opportunity to become what they could've become. Are we allowed to sentence them to death in order to reduce our crime statistics and save a few dollars on healthcare costs. If the argument is made that some of those aborted babies would have grown up to be criminals then the argument that some of them would have grown up to be wonderful productive people must be taken into account as well. You are willing to allow babies to be killed on the off chance that they might grow up to be a criminal. I just can't follow that argument.
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  • You can't sentence something to death or kill something that hasn't yet lived
  • You're trumping up my whole argument to being about criminality here. It's about the positive fiscal (and sometimes other) effects on our society that come from abortion being an option for people.
 
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jave36 said:
The waiting list for adoption is massive, even with the 30k or so price tag. My sister had to wait 2 years and she had the cash in hand. Make it affordable to every family who can't have children naturally and a huge percentage of aborted babies would get adopted. Maybe not all, but a lot. Amd your statement about children from poverty being undesirable is flat out wrong. Where do you think almost every adopted baby comes from, rich families at the top of society?
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Statistically, minority children (especially the boys) and children who come from parents who had drug addictions and the like are pretty low. Those are often the type of kids who bounce around in system until their teenage years and then get put out on the street.

Also, I'm not sure that just making adoption easier is an alternative that would completely remove the necessity of abortion. The supply of children will always be higher than the demand and making it too easy for any schmuck to take in a kid isn't a great idea either.

Additionally, it's just not an option for everybody to carry a baby to term. Pregnancy is expensive, not everybody has the means go through it (even with some of the services available to help those in need).

I think adoption is great. I think it is a great option. I just don't think it should be the only option.


The only reasoning I ever hear for pro choice is that it's a woman's property and she can destroy it if it's an inconvenience to her. Until you made it, I've never heard the financial drain in society argument.
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  • Feminists and the like usually argue that women should have autonomy over their own body (not that a baby is their property...I've never heard that argument either)
  • Just because you haven't heard an argument before doesn't make it less valid

Since when are drawing a breath and having a birth certificate and being a citizen the prerequisites for not being murdered? Bald eagle fetuses are protected, so there's precedent for valuing a life before it's 100% developed.
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By definition, if the state endorses it then it isn't murder. That's why police officers can use lethal force without being tried for murder (in theory at least). That's why our soldiers can return from war and not be viewed as murderers. That's why the doctor that injects the drugs that kill a person receiving the death penalty is not regarded as a murder.

As for bald eagle eggs being valued, that's because they're regarded as a natural resource with a scarcity. Their eggs are protected because there aren't many of them. Probably the exact opposite with humans.

If you reversed the number of balde eagles and humans in the world, nobody would give two $#!+s about bald eagles or their eggs.
 
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delfonic said:
I'm not saying that deserve help. I'm saying they deserve LIFE. We can't be a society that discards folks after one mistake if we want to be pro-life. I'd get real lonely without the rest of you.
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No one is going around killing any of the people you listed in your op. That doesn't make any sense. They deserve help bc they have life. Most you listed don't deserve monetary help though.
 
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Ulysees E. McGill said:
Boom!..Also lol at idiots calling us hypocrites having cognitive dissonance. It is the ultimate hypocrisy to be the ones that supposedly care so much for the guilty, and unfortunate whose choices have led to their doom, and turn around and sentence millions of innocents to death because they ultimately are just..inconvenient.
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For the record, the only reason I'm against the death penaltyis because it's more expensive than life imprisonment. If the opposite were true, I'd have no problem with it.



And God forbid anybody actually try to teach anyone that you can overcome your baser nature. There is almost no reason that anyone ever has an unwanted pregnancy if the don't do something stupid.
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I have no problem with trying to teach people to smartly avoid pregnancy one way or another. I think we should do that as well.

But crafting the rules of society assuming that everybody is going to take the high road and that no one will ever do something stupid isn't a good idea either.

It's human nature to give into base instincts. Some people can avoid that. That's great. But not everybody can. People are stupid (even the smart ones sometimes).

AND on top of that contraceptives can fail. It's rare, but it can happen. Why punish someone who was taking steps to avoid pregnancy and just happened to be part of that 0.01 percent?
 
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Darth_Shiveman said:
For the record, the only reason I'm against the death penaltyis because it's more expensive than life imprisonment. If the opposite were true, I'd have no problem with it.
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I'm against the death penalty period. I'm a Christian man so I believe the Good Lord should be the only one that determines when it's a person's time to leave this Earth.

Now, there's people that have done some awful bad things but the Wrath of God will come down upon them & they will live whatever miserable life the Lord chooses for them until it's their time. I don't believe people should determine when a person comes to the end of their life. Thanks!
 
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tonybologna said:
I'm against the death penalty period. I'm a Christian man so I believe the Good Lord should be the only one that determines when it's a person's time to leave this Earth.

Now, there's people that have done some awful bad things but the Wrath of God will come down upon them & they will leave whatever miserable life the Lord chooses for them until it's their time. I don't believe people should determine when a person comes to the end of their life. Thanks!
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I can't fault you for that. At least it's logically consistent.
 
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tonybologna said:
I'm against the death penalty period. I'm a Christian man so I believe the Good Lord should be the only one that determines when it's a person's time to leave this Earth.

Now, there's people that have done some awful bad things but the Wrath of God will come down upon them & they will live whatever miserable life the Lord chooses for them until it's their time. I don't believe people should determine when a person comes to the end of their life. Thanks!
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Not a 2nd Amendment supporter?
 
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BigOrangeVols said:
Not a 2nd Amendment supporter?
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Yep. Stands there and watches as murderers kill his spouse, children, friends, etc. Sorry, can't take a life. You will have to kill me with them. As we approach Veteran's Day to boot.

Don't even know why I responded to it with you. People like him really need to stick to posting on Yahoo.

You don't kill unborn babies, people. It is murder. Rationalize all you want, but it is an agonizing murder of a yet unborn human being who would not choose to have it done to them given a voice. We are supposed to be the voice.
 
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Vols4us said:
Yep. Stands there and watches as murderers kill his spouse, children, friends, etc. Sorry, can't take a life. You will have to kill me with them. As we approach Veteran's Day to boot.

Don't even know why I responded to it with you. People like him really need to stick to posting on Yahoo.

You don't kill unborn babies, people. It is murder. Rationalize all you want, but it is an agonizing murder of a yet unborn human being who would not choose to have it done to them given a voice. We are supposed to be the voice.
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It's my right not not believe in the death penalty just as it's your right to believe in it. I'm the type of person that believes God is in control of EVERYTHING & he will deal with these murderers/killers & sexual molesters.

He will punish them enough & then take them out on his own terms & not ours. That's all I'm discussing about this because obviously all it will cause is bickering back & forth. Thanks!
 
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Vols4us said:
Yep. Stands there and watches as murderers kill his spouse, children, friends, etc. Sorry, can't take a life. You will have to kill me with them. As we approach Veteran's Day to boot.

Don't even know why I responded to it with you. People like him really need to stick to posting on Yahoo.

You don't kill unborn babies, people. It is murder. Rationalize all you want, but it is an agonizing murder of a yet unborn human being who would not choose to have it done to them given a voice. We are supposed to be the voice.
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There is no way to know whether this is true or not. For all we know, they could prefer it to being born.
 
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