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VolGee4 said:
Not sure why people are expecting change at this very moment. That won't happen. Change will happen after the season.
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Not all change has to involve firing coaches. How about make whatever change is needed to have a decent 1st quarter?
 
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jave36 said:
Not all change has to involve firing coaches. How about make whatever change is needed to have a decent 1st quarter?
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Maybe they are, but they aren't going to tell us about it. Those things would never be publicly stated. Not by any coach...ever.
 
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VolGee4 said:
Maybe they are, but they aren't going to tell us about it. Those things would never be publicly stated. Not by any coach...ever.
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My point is that they have obviously not made those changes, because we've come out flat 8/8 games. Either they're unable to figure out how to have a good 1st quarter, or they're stubborn and won't change anything, causing us to continue to come out flat. He doesn't have to tell us what he's doing, it will show up in our team's performance.
 
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jave36 said:
My point is that they have obviously not made those changes, because we've come out flat 8/8 games. Either they're unable to figure out how to have a good 1st quarter, or they're stubborn and won't change anything, causing us to continue to come out flat. He doesn't have to tell us what he's doing, it will show up in our team's performance.
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This has pretty much been a guarantee for our staff up to this point.
 
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VolGee4 said:
Why don't rational people wait until that time comes? Instead of *****ing about it right now. Wouldn't that seem rational?
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No? We had the SECe in the bag and the coaching staff goes and lays an egg against USC. You want sunshine and rainbows around here? Lmao
 
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jave36 said:
My point is that they have obviously not made those changes, because we've come out flat 8/8 games. Either they're unable to figure out how to have a good 1st quarter, or they're stubborn and won't change anything, causing us to continue to come out flat. He doesn't have to tell us what he's doing, it will show up in our team's performance.
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Frankly, I have no idea how he has handled it because I am not privy to it. Maybe he changed the team clocks for a game or two and that didn't work. Maybe he just has a team that can't play well in the first half.

But whatever the reason, he isn't go to share it, and he isn't going to tell you how he is trying to fix it. Just wait and see how the season plays out and see what changes are made. That is on him.
 
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I'd take DeBord over a promoted Azzanni at OC any day. DeBord can put up points but lacks creativity at times. We have no idea whether Z would be a disaster or not.

I also think DeBord would be fine moving forward provided the next QB is adequately coached and the offensive line improves. But that leads to a staff number crunch. Someone has to fill a dual role on staff, and the obvious solution for most staffs is to hire an OC who is also a proven QB coach, and DeBord ain't that.
 
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VolGee4 said:
Frankly, I have no idea how he has handled it because I am not privy to it. Maybe he changed the team clocks for a game or two and that didn't work. Maybe he just has a team that can't play well in the first half.

But whatever the reason, he isn't go to share it, and he isn't going to tell you how he is trying to fix it. Just wait and see how the season plays out and see what changes are made. That is on him.
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LOL, I've already seen how it's played out. Either Butch is incompetent and can't find out how to solve our Q1 woes, or he's stubborn and isn't changing anything. Where have I asked for him to provide a detailed explanation of changes?
 
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jave36 said:
LOL, I've already seen how it's played out. Either Butch is incompetent and can't find out how to solve our Q1 woes, or he's stubborn and isn't changing anything. Where have I asked for him to provide a detailed explanation of changes?
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"Because admitting fault with only words is such a cop out. It's easy to say "I accept responsibility" when there are literally 0 consequences for doing so and no one is going to force you to make changes, despite 8 weeks in a row of accepting responsibility for your team coming out flat."

These were your words. The only way you "see" what he is doing to make changes is by him explaining that to us. If you see a different 1st half team, that is the result, not the changes that have been made.
 
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VolGee4 said:
"Because admitting fault with only words is such a cop out. It's easy to say "I accept responsibility" when there are literally 0 consequences for doing so and no one is going to force you to make changes, despite 8 weeks in a row of accepting responsibility for your team coming out flat."

These were your words. The only way you "see" what he is doing to make changes is by him explaining that to us. If you see a different 1st half team, that is the result, not the changes that have been made.
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You're missing the entire point.

The way I SEE that he's actually doing something other than verbally accepting responsibility is an actual change in results, like coming out looking like a halfway decent team in the first quarter.

I don't have to see what he's doing to improve, I just want to see that he's done something.
 
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jave36 said:
You're missing the entire point.

The way I SEE that he's actually doing something other than verbally accepting responsibility is an actual change in results, like coming out looking like a halfway decent team in the first quarter.

I don't have to see what he's doing to improve, I just want to see that he's done something.
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And you are missing mine. He may have tried many things, but you can't SEE them because they didn't work. You keep saying he has tried the same thing for 8 straight weeks, but no one knows that, and he isn't going to tell us either.
 
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BigOrangeVols said:
It's not an absolute and Butch needs to feel the pressure some I'd say..
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Butch feels the pressure by merely losing. People think coaches can take losing because they make alot of money. Coaches are human. They want to be respected and want to be liked, just like everyone else. When that clock hit 0.00 at USC, he was already feeling the pressure. He doesn't need us to tell him that.
 
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VolGee4 said:
And you are missing mine. He may have tried many things, but you can't SEE them because they didn't work. You keep saying he has tried the same thing for 8 straight weeks, but no one knows that, and he isn't going to tell us either.
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OK, so incompetent is your guess.

Like I said, either he's trying and failing or stubbornly sticking to his process.
 
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I hope Butch is getting good advice from his championship winning coaching friends, Gruden and others. I'm sure Fulmer could remind him how important the OC hire is. It was his undoing. Hopefully someone is being very honest with him and not just saying what he wants to hear. If he truly wants to be successful here, he must adapt and evolve because his MAC buddies along with his offense isn't going to work. What matters more to him- his offense or his career and legacy?
 
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jave36 said:
OK, so incompetent is your guess.

Like I said, either he's trying and failing or stubbornly sticking to his process.
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I have no idea, but nothing Butch says at this point really matters. I can't say incompetence because the man has won before and has done something right until now. Not sure why fans continue to respond to his PC's after 4 years. Also, nothing permanent is going to change until the end of the year. I am sure they are tweaking things here and there within the program, but coaches won't be fired. As I have said, we see how the games play out, and I believe you will see changes.

This was exactly my stance on Cuonzo Martin in his last year. His team was underachieving. But, let the season play out, hope to make the NCAAT, and then we will deal with the coaching issues at season's end.
 
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jave36 said:
LOL, I've already seen how it's played out. Either Butch is incompetent and can't find out how to solve our Q1 woes, or he's stubborn and isn't changing anything. Where have I asked for him to provide a detailed explanation of changes?
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Im sure he has tried several things but at end of the day if it is something that happens every game then it's the players. They either aren't buying what he is selling or there are issues in locker room boiling over to field or injuries effecting communication due to inconsistent lineups almost every game or strength and conditioning.

My opinion is change in S&C program philosophy is a big part of it. We didn't have these things under Lawson. We look weaker early in games and don't become the stronger team until opponents begin to tire. I think then you have a mixture of players not being on same page due to playing with different combos so much. He takes too long to set a 5 OL group in preseason. The play calls etc don't really change in 2nd half and several games the calls were fine but Dobbs and others find a way to blow it
 
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