Recruiting Forum Football Talk XXIX

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nicksjuzunk said:
This is going to get lost here, but whatever...

Two mechanics look at the same car, both see the same issues.

Mechanic One: This car is not working right. You need to get a new used car that doesn't have these problems.

Mechanic Two: This car is not working right. I think if we change out your radiator and get some new breaks, you'll be in good shape though.

Same problem, but two different solutions. The trouble is... you never know what problems that next used car is going to have. Could be A LOT worse. You may not even be able to find a good car on the market.

That's the two approaches on VN right now. Most everyone wants to jump into the unknown, while a few of us know that there are problems, but think switching out a few parts gives us a great vehicle.
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That is not a good analogy but I'll play long.

Butch is the coaching parallel of a car that a shady used car salesman loves. Everything looks good cosmetically and the car runs well enough on a test drive but eventually it's gonna leave the buyer stranded and SOL.
 
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nicksjuzunk said:
1. Ziti, you've redeemed yourself from last season :hi:

2. So... most of us had this as a 2 loss team. One bad loss, and everyone's lost their minds. Good thing no one else has ever lost a bad game in a season. :zeitung_lesen:

3. Everyone thinking we could beat Bama with a skeleton squad suddenly thinks that we are guaranteed to lose against the slaw left on our schedule. I hope our players have more sack than our fans. Still looking at 9-3... but let's just burn down the house.

4. Florida can absolutely lose to Arky, and I would favor LSU over them. Could still get to ATL, which was the goal, but the USCe game takes away all the joy of the season I suppose.
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Barely beating app state and Ohio, combined with losing to USC, and throwing the game away at aTm have taken away much of the joy of the season. We have the talent to be so, so good and storm into ATL expecting to win, and yet we're just lucky UGA sucks and a 3 loss team has a chance at ATL.
 
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nicksjuzunk said:
This is going to get lost here, but whatever...

Two mechanics look at the same car, both see the same issues.

Mechanic One: This car is not working right. You need to get a new used car that doesn't have these problems.

Mechanic Two: This car is not working right. I think if we change out your radiator and get some new breaks, you'll be in good shape though.

Same problem, but two different solutions. The trouble is... you never know what problems that next used car is going to have. Could be A LOT worse. You may not even be able to find a good car on the market.

That's the two approaches on VN right now. Most everyone wants to jump into the unknown, while a few of us know that there are problems, but think switching out a few parts gives us a great vehicle.
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Mechanic Three: I've already tried to fix this issue once.
 
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nicksjuzunk said:
This is going to get lost here, but whatever...

Two mechanics look at the same car, both see the same issues.

Mechanic One: This car is not working right. You need to get a new used car that doesn't have these problems.

Mechanic Two: This car is not working right. I think if we change out your radiator and get some new breaks, you'll be in good shape though.

Same problem, but two different solutions. The trouble is... you never know what problems that next used car is going to have. Could be A LOT worse. You may not even be able to find a good car on the market.

That's the two approaches on VN right now. Most everyone wants to jump into the unknown, while a few of us know that there are problems, but think switching out a few parts gives us a great vehicle.
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Good analogy. But what if we have:

Mechanic Three: This car is not working right. But we think this car is the best car ever and does not need to be tinkered with. We are going to keep driving this car just as it is and hope it will work better soon.
 
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BruinVol said:
Stats don't lie when comparing to last year. Not you can say he should run more but when you add last year to that its wrong.
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Stats can be manipulated to fit a narrative though.

Not saying your wrong on this one, but to really know whether the stat you posted tells the true story, you'd have to chart and analyze designed runs and/or runs that gave Dobbs an option to keep.

The latter would be pretty difficult to do, though, since it can be difficult to tell whether some plays are designed to be handoffs or are true zone reads.
 
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Pepe_Silvia said:
Are they suffering these losses 4 years into their tenure?
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Urban loses to Penn State? OU loses to Houston, who loses to SMU? Mississippi State losing to South Alabama? Baylor losing to Texas?

By the way, there aren't many SEC coaches that have been there more than 4 years.
 
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Darth_Shiveman said:
Stats can be manipulated to fit a narrative though.

Not saying your wrong on this one, but to really know whether the stat you posted tells the true story, you'd have to chart and analyze designed runs and/or runs that gave Dobbs an option to keep.

The latter would be pretty difficult to do, though, since it can be difficult to tell whether some plays are designed to be handoffs or are true zone reads.
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It does seem he has scrambled more this year than last. But could be the same and I have just expected more designed runs.
 
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nicksjuzunk said:
This is going to get lost here, but whatever...

Two mechanics look at the same car, both see the same issues.

Mechanic One: This car is not working right. You need to get a new used car that doesn't have these problems.

Mechanic Two: This car is not working right. I think if we change out your radiator and get some new breaks, you'll be in good shape though.

Same problem, but two different solutions. The trouble is... you never know what problems that next used car is going to have. Could be A LOT worse. You may not even be able to find a good car on the market.

That's the two approaches on VN right now. Most everyone wants to jump into the unknown, while a few of us know that there are problems, but think switching out a few parts gives us a great vehicle.
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Alternatively,

Mechanic Three: We can change the radiator on this thing and get you another 30,000-50,000 miles out of it. But this is a Toyota Camry, you're never going to get BMW-like performance out of it. Better start making financial preparations for your next vehicle in the not-too-distant future.
 
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InVOLuntary said:
I wouldn't have too. Let's hope that does not happen.
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Sad thing is it could very well happen. Momentum is a very dangerous thing. If we come out flat and TT gives us a game the team could very well fold up. Very similar to the Wyoming game in Fulmers last year.
 
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Darth_Shiveman said:
Alternatively,

Mechanic Three: We can change the radiator on this thing and get you another 30,000-50,000 miles out of it. But this is a Toyota Camry, you're never going to get BMW-like performance out of it. Better start making financial preparations for your next vehicle in the not-too-distant future.
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That is probably the most accurate description I have seen. From the top of the program all the way down.
 
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Darth_Shiveman said:
Alternatively,

Mechanic Three: We can change the radiator on this thing and get you another 30,000-50,000 miles out of it. But this is a Toyota Camry, you're never going to get BMW-like performance out of it. Better start making financial preparations for your next vehicle in the not-too-distant future.
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How many years = 30,000-50,000 miles in this scenario?
 
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VolGee4 said:
Urban loses to Penn State? OU loses to Houston, who loses to SMU? Mississippi State losing to South Alabama? Baylor losing to Texas?

By the way, there aren't many SEC coaches that have been there more than 4 years.
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Urban losing to Penn state is the only example that holds any water imo. Although Penn state is probably better than SC.

Bob Stoops is definitely past his prime. I would hope we hold ourselves to a higher standard than MS State.

Remind me, who is coaching at Baylor? I honestly have no idea.
 
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chavisut said:
Which isn't crazy, at all.
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Absolutely not. I've lost confidence. Not ready to give up on him. I'm not sure he can recover from this but he's surprised me before. Three things I'm watching:

Last four games: Does the team finish strong as in years past? Even if they win out do they squeak by? If they lose another or barely beat any of the remaining opponents, that will be an indicator.

Staff changes: does he replace the obvious ones and if he does can he attract quality assistants? If he doesn't or if he brings in nobodies I think that will be an indicator.

How we finish on the recruiting trail. If we end up with a middle of the pack in the SEC and don't close with any of our big targets, that will be an indicator to me.
 
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Pepe_Silvia said:
Urban losing to Penn state is the only example that holds any water imo.

Bob Stoops is definitely past his prime. I would hope we hold ourselves to a higher standard than MS State.

Remind me, who is coaching at Baylor? I honestly have no idea.
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First of all, you asked if they were at least in year 4. Stoops has excelled at OU. Now, he is past his prime? Second, I saw an earlier post suggesting Dan Mullen as a possible replacement. He had his team ranked #1 two years ago. What gives?

Herman, the next great one, lost to SMU.

There is always some excuse. As Nick said, there are inexcusable losses every year.
 
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LA Vol said:
Good analogy. But what if we have:

Mechanic Three: This car is not working right. But we think this car is the best car ever and does not need to be tinkered with. We are going to keep driving this car just as it is and hope it will work better soon.
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And what's wrong with mechanic three since that's the hand he's been dealt with?

If the car is not working right but just happens to work better than the other truck in the race, who had a flat on their road trip through Arky and Louisiana State, we'd be riding this car along and fix whats needed in the short term
 
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