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GoBigOrangeVols said:
Better than the Swamp Donkey? Based upon what?

If it is based on accomplishments, then Butch is the most accomplished coach in the East with 4 Conference titles. But he also has considerably more experience than anyone else in the league as a HC.

Odom and Smart are brand new. Derek Mason has done nothing. Stoops hasn't done anything yet but is putting together a solid season this year. Muschamp had one good season, and some average/bad ones. Swamp Donkey improved CSU to respectability, then had success in his first year at UF. Butch also beat the brakes off him a month ago.

I can't see putting any of them ahead of Butch at this point.
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Beat the brakes off him? Come on. And mcelwain hasn't lost to a clearly inferior team yet.
 
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AAVFL said:
Hopefully Dormady gets some extensive PT this weekend and we can all see how he plays. He is only one play away from taking over.
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I know that I'm just wondering if he isn't a cancer too. I'm not saying he is but I remember hearing reports of him hanging out with Preston and Hurd a lot.
 
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McGeesPub said:
It becomes a business decision, and a 10 million buyout is bad business.

The more relevant question is, if we go 10-3, do you give him an extension? I'm sure his camp would be angling for one.
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Depends on the coach. I'd say that, regardless of his price tag, Michigan isn't regretting giving a King's ransom to Harbaugh right about now.

Petrino isn't "exactly" that coach but, I can't think of any coach out there who I would trust more to come in here and have this team in the top 10 consistently during his tenure....but Petrino comes with some rather heavy baggage.
 
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Vols4us said:
You can do better. There have been good high points. But, they are two plays from being 3-5 and they rank in the back half of CFB on team O and team D with terrible turnover issues. They may be mediocre because of injuries or system, but they are mediocre. They started the season that way and are now clearly that way.

It's up to the staff and players to rally and change it.
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Two plays from being 7-1. It's college football with 18-22 year olds.
 
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This is the last thing I'll say about the Hurd situation. Having a malcontent in the huddle can cause big issues. The proof is in the pudding. I think that things were being forced to try to make him happy and it could honestly play over into the way Dobb's plays as well, I'm not saying Jalen is the sole reason for Dobb's problems but the fact of the matter is that when Jalen was "hurt" for the aTm game. That was the best this offense has looked (697 yards). He comes back for Bama and it stymies again. I know it is the softer part of the schedule but I think the offense will be way better without him there similar to what happened in the aTm game.
 
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orangeblood79 said:
Depends on the coach. I'd say that, regardless of his price tag, Michigan isn't regretting giving a King's ransom to Harbaugh right about now.

Petrino isn't "exactly" that coach but, I can't think of any coach out there who I would trust more to come in here and have this team in the top 10 consistently during his tenure....but Petrino comes with some rather heavy baggage.
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Utah Coach is solid, Fuentes looking solid, heck Dan Mullen would probably do a fine job anywhere other than MSU.
 
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orangeblood79 said:
Depends on the coach. I'd say that, regardless of his price tag, Michigan isn't regretting giving a King's ransom to Harbaugh right about now.

Petrino isn't "exactly" that coach but, I can't think of any coach out there who I would trust more to come in here and have this team in the top 10 consistently during his tenure....but Petrino comes with some rather heavy baggage.
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Oh I absolutely agree with paying that much for the right coach. But to pay 10 million on top of that for your current coach to go away? That's not going to happen at UT.
 
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zhangliao04 said:
I'm referencing to one of his questions during the presser. After CBJ said no more questions about Hurd he waited a few and then asked a question on Hurd. Butch Jones said, "Did I not say no more questions about Hurd?" and told the media again to stop asking questions about Hurd and Price responds with, "Well I'm going to ask anyway." Loved hearing that.
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I guess the media is off limits when it comes to civil discussion. When someone says they aren't doing something, they usually mean it. I get the whole "I just have to ask." But some media members act like Jalen Hurd sometimes- that they deserve an answer (and I am not saying this about AP; just in general).
 
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chavisut said:
For four years?

Why aren't the players making plays?

It falls back on coaching.
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Did you see the players that were trotted out in year one and two. Im not giving a pass on the coaches. The play calling at times have been suspect. But you are never going to call a perfect game. We had a MAC level roster when butch came. Last year the roster was turned over but I thought it was depth that killed us. We sprinted out to lead every game but couldn't stay with it. Now this year is almost that same team. We should be blowing people out, but we have had to dig out of a hole every game. When we turn it on its over. I believe they saw the press clippings and got caught up in their own hype.
 
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jave36 said:
Utah Coach is solid, Fuentes looking solid, heck Dan Mullen would probably do a fine job anywhere other than MSU.
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Fuente still has some to prove in recruiting. If people label our program now as 3* U, not sure what they would call it under him. He develops well though. He also has a serious personality. I know a former Memphis player, and they say that Norvell has a totally opposite personality, but they both have performed pretty well.
 
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jave36 said:
Utah Coach is solid, Fuentes looking solid, heck Dan Mullen would probably do a fine job anywhere other than MSU.
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Mullen doesn't get the respect he deserves. I think he'd be an excellent hire at a major program. I was raised by two MSU alum, what he's done in Starkville is unheard of, prior to his tenure. It's just extremely hard to sustain success there.

I sincerely think he'd be an excellent hire here...and he wouldn't come with a gawdy price tag anymore either, now that Dak is gone.

McGeesPub said:
Oh I absolutely agree with paying that much for the right coach. But to pay 10 million on top of that for your current coach to go away? That's not going to happen at UT.
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Truth. As I mentioned before, we'd have to have a few BOT's die off before that is even brought up for serious discussion within the admin.
 
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AAVFL said:
Did you see the players that were trotted out in year one and two. Im not giving a pass on the coaches. The play calling at times have been suspect. But you are never going to call a perfect game. We had a MAC level roster when butch came. Last year the roster was turned over but I thought it was depth that killed us. We sprinted out to lead every game but couldn't stay with it. Now this year is almost that same team. We should be But we have had to dig out of a hole every game. When we turn it on its over. I believe they saw the press clippings and got caught up in their own hype.
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I think it's a combination of that and a bad approach to fall camp. The only real opportunity to get full contact practices in is during fall camp. They don't do much hitting during the season to preserve players, who are already beat up as is.

The lack of physicality showed up big against App State and also contributed to the fumbling problems, and that's all continued throughout the year.

I definitely thought a light workload during fall camp was the way to go because I wanted to make it to the season as healthy as possible. But now it's pretty clear that it's worth losing a couple key players in fall camp if tough practices make your entire team that much better.
 
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I was just over in the football forum and saw a poster make reference to a deer park post of him saying that butch has been trying to stroke some egos this season. I also remember a poster on here posting about Neuheisel saying butch told him about some things he was dealing with internally that most coaches don't have to deal with. I assumed it was alaways something involving the higher ups in the athletic department. If he was really talking about the ego thing and trying to appease some players.
 
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itsme said:
This is the last thing I'll say about the Hurd situation. Having a malcontent in the huddle can cause big issues. The proof is in the pudding. I think that things were being forced to try to make him happy and it could honestly play over into the way Dobb's plays as well, I'm not saying Jalen is the sole reason for Dobb's problems but the fact of the matter is that when Jalen was "hurt" for the aTm game. That was the best this offense has looked (697 yards). He comes back for Bama and it stymies again. I know it is the softer part of the schedule but I think the offense will be way better without him there similar to what happened in the aTm game.
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I'm in no way taking up for Hurd, but that's a faulty cause and effect. The players were fired up for aTm because everything was in front of them. That hard loss took the wind out of their sails, and it showed the next week. IDT Hurd hurt the team; he just didn't help them. While we could have done without all this needless drama and negativity, the loss of Hurd's declining yardage won't make much difference in our season going forward.
 
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AAVFL said:
Hopefully he is smarter than that. He has a big opportunity especially next year with Dobbs gone.
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I hope he is too the kid has an arm and I'm excited to see what he can do with it, but there may be a reason the Sherrion jones was the one hyping up the team and not Quenton
 
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Aesius said:
I think it's a combination of that and a bad approach to fall camp. The only real opportunity to get full contact practices in is during fall camp. They don't do much hitting during the season to preserve players, who are already beat up as is.

The lack of physicality showed up big against App State and also contributed to the fumbling problems, and that's all continued throughout the year.

I definitely thought a light workload during fall camp was the way to go because I wanted to make it to the season as healthy as possible. But now it's pretty clear that it's worth losing a couple key players in fall camp if tough practices make your entire team that much better.
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I don't think the light fall camp approach affected us too much. Maybe app and Ohio but def after Georgia you should be fine and used to the grind. It has continued after 8 weeks. That's all mental and on the players. Coaches drill this stuff week in and week out and most have been through this for a few years at least. I think some saw NFL and forgot to work and prepare.
 
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