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JacketVol said:
I appreciate you as a poster but we need solutions. Not one of the three you give is desirable. I think he should've taken Dobbs out for a few plays if not the game. He did not do that but you can't win with QB play like that. Could it have been worse? Possibly but not by much. QB should be opened back up to competition which is what we have always heard that each spot was up from week to week. Name new captains for each game day and admit changing it was a mistake. Hold everyone accountable including the staff on down to fight each week for your job and let the staff know they are being evaluated and changes will be made this off season if they do not dig in and produce. Will this work? Maybe or maybe not but something has to change. CBJ needs to also hire an OC and let them bring in their own staff and run their O. Also make it open for the DC to bring in his own staff as well. This is a bad loss but they need to shake it up and win out and 9-3 will not be what we wanted but can still be sold as a step in the right direction especially if QD balls out. Might be the gamble he has to take.
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I agree. My second option was to start making changes immediately and make more in the offseason-- and that's what you're advocating. Change is needed and, frankly, overdue. You make some good suggestions. Many coaches would have pulled Dobbs last night and some would have initiated staff and position shakeups today. Injuries are only part of the problem. Injuries didn't lose that game last night.

It's clear that the current staff needs help to find and fix ongoing issues. CBJ can hire consultants, he can roundtable people close to the program, he can bring in former players to talk to the team and he can appoint new team leaders, among other things. When something isn't working, it's time to look in a new direction.
 
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JacketVol said:
Someone mentioned Dobbs being by himself a lot and not getting everyone up on the sidelines ECT. Remember VT game when it wasn't him but the backup SJ doing it. PW and QD seemed tight. Could the divide be some loyal to Dobbs and others to Q?
Usually team divides are about that one position.
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I definitely think there is a divide/chemistry issue. My guess is that the team realizes that CBJ & staff are not playing who they believe are the best options at various positions.

Obviously players shouldn't determine who plays, but they do see how they perform in practice etc. If they see CBJ & staff are not playing the guys they believe should be playing, then I can see how that would be a problem.

It will eventually come out.
 
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Mentioned this during the game. That call on McDowell sliding with the ball (but in actuality the South Carolina guy kicked into the endzone) for a touchback cost us 3 points.

Defense held them to 3 and out. They had a good punt that turned over the field. We drove to about the 47 and punted. We should have gotten great field position there and at least 3 points.

Also the 4th and 2 from just inside the 30 that Dobbs took a sack. I agreed with going for it but hindsight sucks today.
 
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We have players sitting on the bench that are more talented than players starting for SCAR, UK and Vandy. The coaches don't seem to be getting the most out of players. I'm surprised we haven't had more transfers.
 
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nicksjuzunk said:
Give me a new OC, and I'm ready to roll. I've given Debord some leash, but we need to see something happening on offense.

Butch has to turn a hot OC loose, and I think we are ready to roll once Shoop gets to play with starting defense capacity players.
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Who is a good OC to go after?
 
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yes we have better talent than s.car but drive starts nice then snap over the head, malone holding, dobbs fumble, screwed by refs on touchback, dobbs pick, malone holding again, warrior misses assignment, buchanan p.i.,it was unreal. and you can say what you want but s.car played well, better than ive seen all season. our players blew this one.
 
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If we struggle with Tech, I think that means there really is something very wrong internally with the team
 
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Why is everybody speculating about issues between players? Players unhappy with their teammates usually transfer, quit or choose not to practice or play.
 
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Catbone said:
Silver lining...

I LOVE the way John Kelly runs. Hes similar to Kamara. He even makes the OL look decent
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I said people were hanging on him last night. And I said Hurd gets unfair criticism.

Hurd deserves the criticism as do the coaches for not feeding Kelly more.

He needs 20+ touches.
 
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Why don't we move on from Dobbs to a QB who will actually make plays with his passes?

Sure Dobbs can run. But we don't let him. And he is passing terribly lately. 1 out of 5 passes is good. That doesn't cut it.

So why is he even in?
 
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I don't think there is anything at all wrong with the players internally... with the exception of Hurd being a little butthurt because he no longer really fits the offense at this point, I still think the players are still focused and giving their all... I will concur though with another poster who said he was disappointed with the lack of leadership from our captains on the sidelines who are hurt. I too saw JRM, Sutton, and Kamara looking very lethargic and un-emotional the entire game... they can do more than they think and from that aspect I think they failed last night getting their teammates fired up.
 
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I've had about sixteen hours now to think about that game. And honestly, I haven't come up with much.

The most aggravating part about this loss is how toothless South Carolina is. Apart from '14 Florida, every loss in Butch's time here has been at the hands of a team capable of winning the game. They make you beat them. But to beat SCar, all you need to do is avoid beating yourself. We failed. With a combination of turnovers, penalties, drops, blown coverages, and bad decisions, we kicked our ass. It's the worst loss in Butch's time here.

Something hasn’t been right with this year’s team since week one. Their tendencies and demeanor are atypical of any Butch Jones team I’ve ever seen. I’m not in the locker room, so I can’t do anything but speculate on the cause of that. Fortenberry’s comments implied that Dobbs (and/or possibly Hurd) don’t command this offense’s respect. If so, it potentially explains a lot.

I’m not going to speak too much on potential coaching changes. I will say that good coaches can have bad games… bad years, even… and bounce back. There are cases of this every season. Perhaps Butch is a good coach having a bad year. Or perhaps he’s not the answer. We as fans have a narrow viewpoint clouded by emotion, so we’re bad judges of when a coach deserves to lose his job. We see if the product on the field is or isn’t good enough. We don’t see the inner workings and who is truly at fault for a subpar performance.

A lot of season left. 9-3 would still be our best regular season since 2006, so in that sense we still have a lot to play for. So go fix this and close the season strong.

Go Vols.
 
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Fort just tweeted that coordinators are meeting with the media tomorrow instead of Wednesday, the normal day. Maybe Butch wants to share the misery.
 
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JP_UT_O&W said:
Why don't we move on from Dobbs to a QB who will actually make plays with his passes?

Sure Dobbs can run. But we don't let him. And he is passing terribly lately. 1 out of 5 passes is good. That doesn't cut it.

So why is he even in?
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Season is over, it doesn't matter what we do now so may as well start some new guys like S Jones
 
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On his last carry, Hurd got up and headed to the sidelines in what appeared to be taking himself out of the game. He's been battling a tender back, but I don't know how bad of an issue that was or wasn't.

I think there's some close to the program wondering where his investment is with this team.
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-Hubbs
 
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