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I guess this was coming all year. The signs were there all along.

This team just doesn't make any sense. How does the offense slaughter Florida and Texas A&M, but shut down completely against Appy State and South Carolina? Why does the team - on both sides of the ball - have to get punched in the mouth before it shows any interest at all?

This team is such a drastic departure from everything I came to expect from Butch Jones teams. His teams usually come out prepared, play hard, and make relatively few mistakes. This one self-destructs with turnovers, blown assignments, drops, and penalties. It's perplexing.
 
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nashvol1 said:
Apparently Butch has looked at all the stats other than medleys percent over 50.
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Sounds like he trusted Medley more than Dobbs. Given Medley's inconsistency, that says a lot.

I also noticed he really only praised three players in his presser. He mentioned Dobbs' effort as an afterthought, but his praise was sparing.
 
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unioncityvol said:
who cares if we chose fg or hail mary at 5 seconds from 40 yds out? it was desperation time, thats the issue. there are 59 minutes and 55 seconds full of reasons that it doesnt matter which desperation bull $#it attempt we made.
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Much more concerned that we had TWO WEEKS to prepare and thats what we came up with.
 
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BruinVol said:
2 in the secondary?

Warrior was the only without experience once martin came in early in the game and the coaches are fools for not playing warrior at safety sooner this season to develop him. Hell Abernathy and TKjr were playing safety up 3 scores inside of 5 minutes vs VATech. Malpractice not playing warrior at safety before the Bama game one damn single play.
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Meant Buchanan and Warrior, and even Osborne...which I forgot. Yes warrior should have played earlier.

No question we would be better with Foreman, Sutton, Abernathy, and even 2 of our DTs back.
 
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Either fire Butch or

Fire Deboring and
Fire Assani and
Let Mahoney go and
Fire Thig and
Fire Martinez


Oh hell Fire them all.
 
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I'm afraid to even watch the Mizzou game now. We're in serious trouble. On to next year I suppose. At least there's an unknown element to how good we'll be. Who knows, maybe we can win with a freshman QB like everyone else.
 
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jjay2518 said:
It's a hail mary. Everybody runs them the same.
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And all the players go to the same exact spots and jump at the same time...gotcha. And Georgia got blasted for how they defended ours. So using GAME FILM, Muschamp would have had his team better prepared? :hmm:
 
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nashvol1 said:
Meant Buchanan and Warrior, and even Osborne...which I forgot. Yes warrior should have played earlier.

No question we would be better with Foreman, Sutton, Abernathy, and even 2 of our DTs back.
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Without injuries this should have been a playoff contending defense. With all the injuries there was plenty of experience to win against a lowly South Carolina team and don't give me this well they got the ball back X amount of times. They gave up 24pts to a terrible offense. CJJ would in no shape form or fashion would have given up 24 PTs to that offense with a high school kid playing QB.
 
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butchna said:
And Georgia got blasted for how they defended ours. So using GAME FILM, Muschamp would have had his team better prepared? :hmm:
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Sorry, just don't agree. Everybody knows how a team runs a hail mary. You run three WRs down in a bunch at different depths in the end zone. Seeing ours already would in no way affect how Muschamp defended it.

Also during the broadcast ESPN showed that Medley is WELL under 50% from 40+. 58 was in no way going to happen.
 
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chavisut said:
It's a Hail Mary, not the Annexation of Puerto Rico.

At the end of the day it is about coming down with a jump ball or tipped pass.
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Defending it generally incorporates a little more thought. Bet they even practice it. :)
 
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butchna said:
And all the players go to the same exact spots and jump at the same time...gotcha. And Georgia got blasted for how they defended ours. So using GAME FILM, Muschamp would have had his team better prepared? :hmm:
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Georgia got blasted for their technique, not their scheme. The DBs have to get in front of the WR, so film wouldn't really be an issue there.
 
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chavisut said:
It's a Hail Mary, not the Annexation of Puerto Rico.

At the end of the day it is about coming down with a jump ball or tipped pass.
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Lol this. Not sure why this is hard to understand. We have JJ. They don't. I would have thrown a hail mary 10/10 times there.
 
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jjay2518 said:
Sorry, just don't agree. Everybody knows how a team runs a hail mary. You run three WRs down in a bunch at different depths in the end zone. Seeing ours already would in no way affect how Muschamp defended it.

Also during the broadcast ESPN showed that Medley is WELL under 50% from 40+. 58 was in no way going to happen.
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Obviously disagree in kind. :) Neither is high enough percentage to lament. The coaching failure had nothing to do with this choice...total nonissue. :)
 
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butchna said:
Obviously disagree in kind. :) Neither is high enough percentage to lament. The coaching failure had nothing to do with this choice...total nonissue. :)
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I will agree that it wasn't the worst decision on that drive. That was the three yard out to Wolf. One of the most bizarrely stupid decisions I can remember. Don't know if that was on the coaches or Dobbs though.
 
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chavisut said:
It's a Hail Mary, not the Annexation of Puerto Rico.

At the end of the day it is about coming down with a jump ball or tipped pass.
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The FG was a bad decision that followed another bad decision. How do you take 9 seconds and only get 4 yards?
 
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jjay2518 said:
I will agree that it wasn't the worst decision on that drive. That was the three yard out to Wolf. One of the most bizarrely stupid decisions I can remember. Don't know if that was on the coaches or Dobbs though.
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I'd go with both. Plenty of failure to share.
 
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butchna said:
Obviously disagree in kind. :) Neither is high enough percentage to lament. The coaching failure had nothing to do with this choice...total nonissue. :)
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That is absolutely true. Both are a less than 1% chance, and we should never have been in that position.
 
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BruinVol said:
Without injuries this should have been a playoff contending defense. With all the injuries there was plenty of experience to win against a lowly South Carolina team and don't give me this well they got the ball back X amount of times. They gave up 24pts to a terrible offense. CJJ would in no shape form or fashion would have given up 24 PTs to that offense with a high school kid playing QB.
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I don't agree with this. First touchdown we helped them down the field with penalties. One touchdown was a short field because Dobbs threw a terrible int. They made a good throw on a slant route. Last touchdown was due to a short field cause a freshman, who shouldn't have been in the game but was due to injuries, caused a fumble and another safety, who shouldn't have been in the game but was due to injuries, blew the coverage. The defense played fine other than that. I am concerned about the lack of turnovers, I do not understand why we have no ints. I agree we need to replace Martinez. But the defense played fine for the most part. Dobbs played horrible. That's really the difference. Sure there were other things, lack of energy, poor gameplay, injuries, bad play calling, but I'd Dobbs performs we win anyway. He played awful
 
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Dobbs has gotten worse. We need a real qb coach that can develop a qb and an oc that can scheme and play call to our strengths in all games not just a select few. This team and staff is a mess right now notwithstanding all the injuries and that's just on offense.
 
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