Coaching staff is our weakness

[onevol74]

I saw and heard a bunch of national commentators say Florida State was going to beat Louisville. Most all of them had OU in the college playoffs too. Just because a commentator says something doesn't make it so.

You are correct that it does not but there is a national perception about this program that needs to be changed. That is one reason that Saturday is so critical for this staff. If they can not change it then it will affect recruiting and fan attitude. The administration can not afford to let either of those slip back to where we were 4 years ago.

 

[Wylo]

Let's see, we went to ATL 5x in 11 years, for all intents and purposes that equates to every other year.

Let's see, we went to ATL 5x in the first 15 years of the SECG, for all intents and purposes that equates to every 3 years.

Did you not know our history Butch? You've had 4 years to learn it and still haven't familiarized yourself.

Perfect.

 

[volfan102455]

Yes. To much talent, to much experience. There is zero excuse. Donors will be livid. Donors run the system. Only way to redeem himself would be to win out. They would give him one more year and then the door

Interesting - too much emphasis in beating a team that Tennessee has never had success in beating IMO. Even with the most talented QB ever to play, Tennessee was still 0-4.

 

[vtvol98]

You don't? I'm being serious. Not baiting. It's his fourth shot at Tennessee's biggest eastern rival. He has blown the last two with poor decisions and coaching. It has to happen or Tennessee needs to look elsewhere.

I'll be pissed if the Vols lose but I won't be a part of the fire Butch crowd because of a huge failure to capitalize on another down year for UF. Butch deserves his full five year cycle before the axe falls, if it ever does. If this team goes 10-2 with a New Year's day bowl victory, in spite of a loss this Saturday, I would be OK with it.

 

[ReaderVol]

Perfect.

Perfectly wrong. The SEC will play it's 24th championship game. UT has been in 5. I'll help you out. 24÷5=4.8. So pretty much every 5 years. But hey, what do facts matter.

 

[volfan102455]

Let's see, we went to ATL 5x in 11 years, for all intents and purposes that equates to every other year.

Let's see, we went to ATL 5x in the first 15 years of the SECCG, for all intents and purposes that equates to every 3 years.

It actually wasn't every other year. The years were 1997, 1998, 2001, 2004, and 2007.

And you do realize we backed into 2 of those 5 SEC games as some one else beat Florida. We were 2-5 in those games and 4-7 against Florida in those 11 years.

 

[ReaderVol]

And you call others dumb? You're comparing commentators predictions on game outcomes to what they're seeing on tape with their very eyes and somehow think it's the same thing.

Wow. LOL bless your heart. You try so hard. Comprehension and facts aren't your strong suits are they?
Here's a little help for you scooter. Now pay attention and I'll type slow for you. My point (here's the important part) is that commentators have an opinion and doesn't mean it's any better or more correct than anyone else's. Do you understand? If not maybe your mom can explain.

 

[66volfan]

Perfectly wrong. The SEC with play it's 24th championship game. UT has been in 5. I'll help you out. 24÷5=4.8. So pretty much every 5 years. But hey, what do facts matter.

Stretch it out til it fits your formula brother. Dilution is the solution.

 

[ReaderVol]

Stretch it out til it fits your formula brother. Dilution is the solution.

No. Just the facts. We have been in 5 out of 24. Just a fact. Don't hate me, hate math.

 

[bowlinggreenvol]

It actually wasn't every other year. The years were 1997, 1998, 2001, 2004, and 2007.

And you do realize we backed into 2 of those 5 SEC games as some one else beat Florida. We were 2-5 in those games and 4-7 against Florida in those 11 years.

Okay I see someone has trouble with math. 5 times out of 11 equates to 2.2. So we averaged an appearance practically every 2 years is the point being made. I'm well aware of when we made it to ATL.

I don't buy into backing into a game. We all play the same East schedule and the big 3 play the big 3 in the West, so the completion is relatively even. You have to have a better conference record than your competition in order to make it to ATL, period. We did that on 5 occasions, regardless if we beat UF or not.

 

[ReaderVol]

LOL no team has been in the title game every other year. UF is close with 11 of 24 and bammer 10.
Then it drops to a few with 5 which is a BIG drop.

 

[bowlinggreenvol]

Perfectly wrong. The SEC will play it's 24th championship game. UT has been in 5. I'll help you out. 24÷5=4.8. So pretty much every 5 years. But hey, what do facts matter.

Now you're moving the goal posts which is your best move. You asked when have we ever played at that level. There was clearly a time when that was true. But that defeats your initial point, so the point changes.

 

[volfan102455]

Stretch it out til it fits your formula brother. Dilution is the solution.

There actually has been more than 15. I think someone started counting from the first Tennessee appearance. Florida played in the first 5.

December 5 1992 #12 Florida 21 #2 Alabama 28 Legion Field • Birmingham, AL 83,091 9.8 CB Antonio Langham, Alabama
December 4 1993 #9 Florida 28 #16 Alabama 13 76,345 QB Terry Dean, Florida
December 3 1994 #6 Florida 24 #3 Alabama 23 Georgia Dome • Atlanta, GA 74,751 10.5 DT Ellis Johnson, Florida
December 2 1995 #2 Florida 34 #23 Arkansas 3 71,325 7.2 QB Danny Wuerffel, Florida
December 7 1996 #4 Florida 45 #11 Alabama 30 74,132 7.0 QB Danny Wuerffel, Florida
December 6 1997 #3 Tennessee 30 #11 Auburn 29 74,896 QB Peyton Manning, Tennessee
December 5 1998 #1 Tennessee 24 #23 Mississippi State 14 74,795 WR Peerless Price, Tennessee
December 4 1999 #5 Florida 7 #7 Alabama 34 71,500 WR Freddie Milons, Alabama
December 2 2000 #7 Florida 28 #18 Auburn 6 73,427 QB Rex Grossman, Florida
December 8 2001 #2 Tennessee 20 #21 LSU 31 74,843 7.0 QB Matt Mauck, LSU
December 7 2002 #4 Georgia 30 #22 Arkansas 3 75,835 3.2 QB David Greene, Georgia
December 6 2003 #5 Georgia 13 #3 LSU 34 74,913 4.1 RB Justin Vincent, LSU
December 4 2004 #15 Tennessee 28 #3 Auburn 38 74,892 4.8 QB Jason Campbell, Auburn
December 3 2005 #13 Georgia 34 #3 LSU 14 73,717 3.9 QB D. J. Shockley, Georgia
December 2 2006 #4 Florida 38 #8 Arkansas 28 73,374 4.7 WR Percy Harvin, Florida
December 1 2007 #14 Tennessee 14 #5 LSU 21 73,832 6.0 QB Ryan Perrilloux, LSU
December 6 2008 #2 Florida 31 #1 Alabama 20 75,892 10.4 QB Tim Tebow, Florida
December 5 2009 #1 Florida 13 #2 Alabama 32 75,514 11.8 QB Greg McElroy, Alabama
December 4 2010 #19 South Carolina 17 #1 Auburn 56 75,802 6.3 QB Cam Newton, Auburn
December 3 2011 #12 Georgia 10 #1 LSU 42 74,515 7.4 CB Tyrann Mathieu, LSU
December 1 2012 #3 Georgia 28 #2 Alabama 32 75,624 10.0 RB Eddie Lacy, Alabama
December 7 2013 #5 Missouri 42 #3 Auburn 59 75,632 8.7 RB Tre Mason, Auburn
December 6 2014 #14 Missouri 13 #1 Alabama 42 73,526 7.7 QB Blake Sims, Alabama
December 5 2015 #18 Florida 15 #2 Alabama 29 75,320 8.3[5] RB Derrick Henry, Alabama
December 3 2016 TBA TBA TBA TBA TBA

 

[bowlinggreenvol]

There actually has been more than 15. I think someone started counting from the first Tennessee appearance. Florida played in the first 5.

December 5 1992 #12 Florida 21 #2 Alabama 28 Legion Field • Birmingham, AL 83,091 9.8 CB Antonio Langham, Alabama
December 4 1993 #9 Florida 28 #16 Alabama 13 76,345 QB Terry Dean, Florida
December 3 1994 #6 Florida 24 #3 Alabama 23 Georgia Dome • Atlanta, GA 74,751 10.5 DT Ellis Johnson, Florida
December 2 1995 #2 Florida 34 #23 Arkansas 3 71,325 7.2 QB Danny Wuerffel, Florida
December 7 1996 #4 Florida 45 #11 Alabama 30 74,132 7.0 QB Danny Wuerffel, Florida
December 6 1997 #3 Tennessee 30 #11 Auburn 29 74,896 QB Peyton Manning, Tennessee
December 5 1998 #1 Tennessee 24 #23 Mississippi State 14 74,795 WR Peerless Price, Tennessee
December 4 1999 #5 Florida 7 #7 Alabama 34 71,500 WR Freddie Milons, Alabama
December 2 2000 #7 Florida 28 #18 Auburn 6 73,427 QB Rex Grossman, Florida
December 8 2001 #2 Tennessee 20 #21 LSU 31 74,843 7.0 QB Matt Mauck, LSU
December 7 2002 #4 Georgia 30 #22 Arkansas 3 75,835 3.2 QB David Greene, Georgia
December 6 2003 #5 Georgia 13 #3 LSU 34 74,913 4.1 RB Justin Vincent, LSU
December 4 2004 #15 Tennessee 28 #3 Auburn 38 74,892 4.8 QB Jason Campbell, Auburn
December 3 2005 #13 Georgia 34 #3 LSU 14 73,717 3.9 QB D. J. Shockley, Georgia
December 2 2006 #4 Florida 38 #8 Arkansas 28 73,374 4.7 WR Percy Harvin, Florida
December 1 2007 #14 Tennessee 14 #5 LSU 21 73,832 6.0 QB Ryan Perrilloux, LSU
December 6 2008 #2 Florida 31 #1 Alabama 20 75,892 10.4 QB Tim Tebow, Florida
December 5 2009 #1 Florida 13 #2 Alabama 32 75,514 11.8 QB Greg McElroy, Alabama
December 4 2010 #19 South Carolina 17 #1 Auburn 56 75,802 6.3 QB Cam Newton, Auburn
December 3 2011 #12 Georgia 10 #1 LSU 42 74,515 7.4 CB Tyrann Mathieu, LSU
December 1 2012 #3 Georgia 28 #2 Alabama 32 75,624 10.0 RB Eddie Lacy, Alabama
December 7 2013 #5 Missouri 42 #3 Auburn 59 75,632 8.7 RB Tre Mason, Auburn
December 6 2014 #14 Missouri 13 #1 Alabama 42 73,526 7.7 QB Blake Sims, Alabama
December 5 2015 #18 Florida 15 #2 Alabama 29 75,320 8.3[5] RB Derrick Henry, Alabama
December 3 2016 TBA TBA TBA TBA TBA

You're struggling mightily, no one said there's been 15, I said in the FIRST 15, which implies there's been more since.

 

[AM64]

They are top 5 in recruiting as a whole but yes this is the year we need to see results or we will have nothing but 8-9 win seasons with an occasional 10 win season going forward. That's not horrible and much better than what we have seen in the past decade but it is not what we expect as fans. We expect to be in Atlanta at least every other year. That's all we ask.

Those top 5 rankings include a lot of 3 star players multiplied by large recruiting classes. The total count is high but the player average leaves a lot to be desired. 247 shows UT at #4 (30 players) in 2015, but only two teams in the top 10 had a lower average player rating. You obviously can't put all 30 players on the field at the same time, so ranking by totals seems pretty strange. On the other hand the player average is highly influenced by the individual player, and you certainly can put a few of the best on the field, and that's were we do not stack up with many other teams. You can have plenty of attrition, claim high recruiting numbers based on size year after year, and have nothing comparable to AL in player quality across the board.

 

[volfan102455]

Okay I see someone has trouble with math. 5 times out of 11 equates to 2.2. So we averaged an appearance practically every 2 years is the point being made. I'm well aware of when we made it to ATL.

I don't buy into backing into a game. We all play the same East schedule and the big 3 play the big 3 in the West, so the completion is relatively even. You have to have a better conference record than your competition in order to make it to ATL, period. We did that on 5 occasions, regardless if we beat UF or not.

I know that. Tennessee was 6-2 in 2007. Tennessee lost to Florida, Florida lost to Georgia and Georgia lost to Tennessee. Tennessee also lost to Alabama so needed help from South Carolina, Auburn and LSU. Conference records for Tennessee and Georgia were the same.

 

[volfan102455]

You're struggling mightily, no one said there's been 15, I said in the FIRST 15, which implies there's been more since.

Count again only 4 appearances in the first 15. 5 in the first 16.

 

[volfan102455]

Okay I see someone has trouble with math. 5 times out of 11 equates to 2.2. So we averaged an appearance practically every 2 years is the point being made. I'm well aware of when we made it to ATL.

I see you are only counting the years that support what you are saying. 5 appearances in a 11 year stretch.

 

[AM64]

Now you're moving the goal posts which is your best move. You asked when have we ever played at that level. There was clearly a time when that was true. But that defeats your initial point, so the point changes.

Sometimes you just have to help some people by spelling out the boundary conditions very slowly.

 

[volfan102455]

The thing that bothers me most is folks that try to make history into something it really wasn't. You really have to go back to the Neyland years to see the type of dominance some of you allude to.

Yes there have been stretches with seasons of 3 or less losses. And the teams you all complain about are ones that Tennessee has never beaten consistently - and current history is not a factor with some of those teams.

That said - I just want Team 120 to beat Florida this Saturday to shut this noise up.

 

[bowlinggreenvol]

I know that. Tennessee was 6-2 in 2007. Tennessee lost to Florida, Florida lost to Georgia and Georgia lost to Tennessee. Tennessee also lost to Alabama so needed help from South Carolina, Auburn and LSU. Conference records for Tennessee and Georgia were the same.

So what are you arguing? UF was 5-3 we were 6-2. That's not backing in. We didn't beat UF and they didn't beat enough teams either to maintain the tiebreaker over us. So what.

 

[bowlinggreenvol]

Count again only 4 appearances in the first 15. 5 in the first 16.

Im so sorry. One every 3.2 years. The point still stands. You're arguing semantics for the sake of arguing now. Any other wiki searches up your sleeve?

 

[volfan102455]

So what are you arguing? UF was 5-3 we were 6-2. That's not backing in. We didn't beat UF and they didn't beat enough teams either to maintain the tiebreaker over us. So what.

Georgia was 6-2 and I consider getting into a game due to a tie breaker - backing in.

 

[bowlinggreenvol]

Georgia was 6-2 and I consider getting into a game due to a tie breaker - backing in.

Ok but we beat them. Who cares if we weren't at least 1 game better than all of our opponents? Does AL care that Ole Miss had to lose twice last year to get them in? If OM hadn't choked in just one game, Bama doesn't have #16. Im sure that diminishes their NC.

 

[BigOrangeTrain]

Biggest fear: Vols fire Butch, hire Tom Herman

We do not want that.

You will never have to worry about that for two reasons. 1) UT cannot afford to fire Butch and 2) even if UT could afford it, it would never pony up enough money to hire a big time coach.