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Monday college shows seem to be more enamored with the angry elfs "ass chewing" if kiffin and the CMU debacle than the Bristol game!! Haven't seen a word mentioned about BatB.
 
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BigZiti09 said:
We have a chance with the line as it is now. Let's not get carried away.

Dobbs needs to carry the ball for us to win. He doesn't need 100.
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Not getting carried away, but if the oline plays like it has the first 2 games, we will have a very difficult time beating UF. App state and v tech are respectable teams but their talent on D does not compare to Florida's.
 
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nicksjuzunk said:
We are royally spoiled as a fanbase. I am certain, there will never be a lasting sense of enjoyment on this forum. Any victory will immediately be spun with dis acknowledgment.

Butch can only recruit legacies
Not enough passing
Not enough points
Only wins games he is supposed to win...

I'm celebrating the better part of this journey. Wonder if VT fans would like to trade places tonight?
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I wanted to circle back to this post, which I saw the other night but couldn't answer as I've been in the car for a great deal of the past few days. Anyway, I just think this is so spot on, and the discussion in this thread is evidence. This isn't unique to Tennessee, by the way -- no fan base is ever entirely satisfied. It literally never happens. Even Alabama fans find things to moan and complain about.

Part of football discussion forums is complaining, I think. That's just the nature of it. It's just the THINGS people complain about that change. It used to be that we'd fret about losing by more than 21 points or ending with 8 losses in a season or missing a bowl game. Now we fret about not winning 10 games or not beating Florida or Bama, when those kinds of things used to be automatically assumed because of the sorry state the football program was in.

I think it's worth it to remember that the people who have worked and put in the long hours to get the program back to where it is, which is healthy, are the same people we complain about endlessly. And criticism is of course okay -- but it doesn't have to get personal or over-the-top. People like Butch Jones and Mike DeBord and Don Mahoney and even Derek Dooley have put in more of their time and effort for Tennessee than I ever will. Now, it's true that they are well-compensated for those efforts and they must be held accountable for their job performance. But I still respect them as individuals.
 
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GoBigOrange86 said:
I wanted to circle back to this post, which I saw the other night but couldn't answer as I've been in the car for a great deal of the past few days. Anyway, I just think this is so spot on, and the discussion in this thread is evidence. This isn't unique to Tennessee, by the way -- no fan base is ever entirely satisfied. It literally never happens. Even Alabama fans find things to moan and complain about.

Part of football discussion forums is complaining, I think. That's just the nature of it. It's just the THINGS people complain about that change. It used to be that we'd fret about losing by more than 21 points or ending with 8 losses in a season or missing a bowl game. Now we fret about not winning 10 games or not beating Florida or Bama, when those kinds of things used to be automatically assumed because of the sorry state the football program was in.

I think it's worth it to remember that the people who have worked and put in the long hours to get the program back to where it is, which is healthy, are the same people we complain about endlessly. And criticism is of course okay -- but it doesn't have to get personal or over-the-top. People like Butch Jones and Mike DeBord and Don Mahoney and even Derek Dooley have put in more of their time and effort for Tennessee than I ever will. Now, it's true that they are well-compensated for those efforts and they must be held accountable for their job performance. But I still respect them as individuals.
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You lost me at Derek Dooley..
 
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Dooby15 said:
If Florida is able to get pressure and slow our running game with just bringing 4 then we're in trouble. Our oline must get better in a hurry for us to have a chance. Also, Dobbs has to run for 100.
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We can't give up any big plays either like last year... they have to really earn and sustain drives to get points on us for us to keep up.
 
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GoBigOrange86 said:
I wanted to circle back to this post, which I saw the other night but couldn't answer as I've been in the car for a great deal of the past few days. Anyway, I just think this is so spot on, and the discussion in this thread is evidence. This isn't unique to Tennessee, by the way -- no fan base is ever entirely satisfied. It literally never happens. Even Alabama fans find things to moan and complain about.

Part of football discussion forums is complaining, I think. That's just the nature of it. It's just the THINGS people complain about that change. It used to be that we'd fret about losing by more than 21 points or ending with 8 losses in a season or missing a bowl game. Now we fret about not winning 10 games or not beating Florida or Bama, when those kinds of things used to be automatically assumed because of the sorry state the football program was in.

I think it's worth it to remember that the people who have worked and put in the long hours to get the program back to where it is, which is healthy, are the same people we complain about endlessly. And criticism is of course okay -- but it doesn't have to get personal or over-the-top. People like Butch Jones and Mike DeBord and Don Mahoney and even Derek Dooley have put in more of their time and effort for Tennessee than I ever will. Now, it's true that they are well-compensated for those efforts and they must be held accountable for their job performance. But I still respect them as individuals.
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You had me til respect for Dooley. There are multiple posters that put more thought into UT on a weekly basis than dools did his entire tenure. Other than that though, spot on!
 
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Ulysees E. McGill said:
You lost me at Derek Dooley..
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His handprints are still all over this program. He worked to get the new complex built. He established the VFL program, which has by all accounts been an amazing success. But he was paid to win football games and he didn't do it, so he got fired. Now he got a golden parachute, so it's not like he's hurting financially, but haven't you ever poured yourself into something only to find out that your best wasn't good enough? I have. It sucks.

Dooley didn't win enough, but at the end of the day, no one is going to care as long as the football program gets back to the level it once was. We might look back and lament that the team was ever that bad or ask how we could ever have lost to THAT Kentucky team, but once the Vols are winning again, it won't really matter. It'll be message board fodder. I mean, for goodness sake, it's not like Derek Dooley killed a man. I mean, he helped kill my spirit and joy for living, but other than that... :)
 
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glichtenwalter said:
You had me til respect for Dooley. There are multiple posters that put more thought into UT on a weekly basis than dools did his entire tenure. Other than that though, spot on!
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Look, he didn't do a good enough job here. No one denies that he failed. HE doesn't deny it, for the record. But I don't think that's the whole measure of someone's worth. That's all I mean.
 
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GoBigOrange86 said:
I wanted to circle back to this post, which I saw the other night but couldn't answer as I've been in the car for a great deal of the past few days. Anyway, I just think this is so spot on, and the discussion in this thread is evidence. This isn't unique to Tennessee, by the way -- no fan base is ever entirely satisfied. It literally never happens. Even Alabama fans find things to moan and complain about.

Part of football discussion forums is complaining, I think. That's just the nature of it. It's just the THINGS people complain about that change. It used to be that we'd fret about losing by more than 21 points or ending with 8 losses in a season or missing a bowl game. Now we fret about not winning 10 games or not beating Florida or Bama, when those kinds of things used to be automatically assumed because of the sorry state the football program was in.

I think it's worth it to remember that the people who have worked and put in the long hours to get the program back to where it is, which is healthy, are the same people we complain about endlessly. And criticism is of course okay -- but it doesn't have to get personal or over-the-top. People like Butch Jones and Mike DeBord and Don Mahoney and even Derek Dooley have put in more of their time and effort for Tennessee than I ever will. Now, it's true that they are well-compensated for those efforts and they must be held accountable for their job performance. But I still respect them as individuals.
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Sorry, I have no respect for Doofus. Agree with you on the others.
 
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I would assume that the staff builds a game plan around who we play and I would assume that plan considers the strengths and weaknesses of us and them. That plan isn't the one used in AS or VT. Every forecast of failure against Florida is based on a static understanding of the problem built on play to this point, but the problem isn't static and the plan isn't static. We have the talent to beat them. Probably should play the game before chalking up the loss.
 
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GoBigOrange86 said:
I wanted to circle back to this post, which I saw the other night but couldn't answer as I've been in the car for a great deal of the past few days. Anyway, I just think this is so spot on, and the discussion in this thread is evidence. This isn't unique to Tennessee, by the way -- no fan base is ever entirely satisfied. It literally never happens. Even Alabama fans find things to moan and complain about.

Part of football discussion forums is complaining, I think. That's just the nature of it. It's just the THINGS people complain about that change. It used to be that we'd fret about losing by more than 21 points or ending with 8 losses in a season or missing a bowl game. Now we fret about not winning 10 games or not beating Florida or Bama, when those kinds of things used to be automatically assumed because of the sorry state the football program was in.

I think it's worth it to remember that the people who have worked and put in the long hours to get the program back to where it is, which is healthy, are the same people we complain about endlessly. And criticism is of course okay -- but it doesn't have to get personal or over-the-top. People like Butch Jones and Mike DeBord and Don Mahoney and even Derek Dooley have put in more of their time and effort for Tennessee than I ever will. Now, it's true that they are well-compensated for those efforts and they must be held accountable for their job performance. But I still respect them as individuals.
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I agree with what you are saying(except for Dooley), but I think what needs to be pointed out is a lot of the criticism (me included) comes from watching the progression of this program (which has been fun to watch and has indeed been the result of tireless hours of work from the coaching staff) to the point that there are realistic expectations based on the talent level we now have. When that talent is clearly not being developed in certain areas, there is frustration and concern because many feel this coaching staff has been in place long enough to eliminate these issues and growing pains... One player here and there not living up to their potential is certainly the norm in most programs, but when entire position groups are grossly underperforming at this point in this staff's tenure ( these are the kids THEY recruited), and as you pointed out the compensation is high, criticism and concern is going to come with both barrels blazing....
 
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Maybe the Vols can dust off the Jenning' throw back to Dobbs for the Ohio game just to be sure its all tweaked up by Florida.

b/f like Butch doesn't have a touch of sandbagger in him.
 
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volinbama256 said:
I agree with what you are saying(except for Dooley), but I think what needs to be pointed out is a lot of the criticism (me included) comes from watching the progression of this program (which has been fun to watch and has indeed been the result of tireless hours of work from the coaching staff) to the point that there are realistic expectations based on the talent level we now have. When that talent is clearly not being developed in certain areas, there is frustration and concern because many feel this coaching staff has been in place long enough to eliminate these issues and growing pains... One player here and there not living up to their potential is certainly the norm in most programs, but when entire position groups are grossly underperforming at this point in this staff's tenure ( these are the kids THEY recruited), and as you pointed out the compensation is high, criticism and concern is going to come with both barrels blazing....
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And there should ABSOLUTELY be criticism. I'm not condemning criticism. That's what we do as fans...if we don't like the product being sold to us, we have a right and an obligation to let that be known. We're paying customers, after all. I just think sometimes it goes a little bit overboard.
 
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NMVol said:
Repeat of questions on the offense and O-line from last year. Things did not look up 'til Hall and Jones got some playing time. We all know where we stand with them. About to find out whether there's a method to Jones' madness or not.
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You could copy and paste these O-Line discussions each year from the time Butch got here. It's a common theme from year to year. He's had plenty of time to assemble and have a decent O-Line in place. Some say Butch brought in Debord to help with the line. Well, if that's the case Debord is failing on both of his responsibilities.
 
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We'll still be a really, really talented team next year.

I know this is supposed to be the year, but next year has the potential to be just as good. IMO
 
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InVOLuntary said:
You could copy and paste these O-Line discussions each year from the time Butch got here. It's a common theme from year to year. He's had plenty of time to assemble and have a decent O-Line in place. Some say Butch brought in Debord to help with the line. Well, if that's the case Debord is failing on both of his responsibilities.
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Listen to Jones describe the blocking scheme in this (some good stuff about TE's too). Is it just me or is his scheme really confusing.

[youtube]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AYSCQVZnRSI[/youtube]
 
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SSVol said:
I would assume that the staff builds a game plan around who we play and I would assume that plan considers the strengths and weaknesses of us and them. That plan isn't the one used in AS or VT. Every forecast of failure against Florida is based on a static understanding of the problem built on play to this point, but the problem isn't static and the plan isn't static. We have the talent to beat them. Probably should play the game before chalking up the loss.
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I'm pretty sure there going to play no matter what I think will happen. I actually think we are more talented than UF overall. But their greatest strength is aimed right at our greatest weakness. I don't want to lose to those cusswordcusswordcusswordcusswords again...but at this point I see them obliterating our OL into mush and causing a load of TOs. If The OL was even just competent I would feel better. I don't think Flurduh is great all around. I hope you are right, but what I've seen so far from the OL is projectile vomit inducing.
 
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