Recruiting Forum: Official Appalachian State Pre-Game/Game Thread

#1,703
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VolGee4 said:
I just don't understand replay. I thought it was supposed to take out some subjectiveness, but I guess it can't. I know a few on here disagree, but even the front angle was not totally "conclusive." It just wasn't. Jesse Palmer even had some question about it. He said the ball can touch the ground as long as you have control. Once they called it a catch, I just didn't think it was conclusive.
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Yet the refs didn't even review PW's catch in the back of the endzone. When is the terrible officiating against us ever going to stop?? It's every single game when we have a SEC crew. Please please tell me that we have a neutral crew next Saturday?
 
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nashvol1 said:
Lost to Memphis with Peyton Manning. It happens.
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Last year, Florida beat East Carolina by 7 and Florida Atlantic in OT. People don't remember that when they say McIlwain had a good first year. Give it time as long as we improve, and people won't care.
 
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#1,709
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After having some time to calm down, I've got a few takes:

1) the unluckiest team won last night. We had everything go against us and still came out with the win. Bad calls. Fumbles. Etc.

2) App St was a pretty decent team. More so on defense than offense. Their DL were small and quick, able to shoot gaps and disrupt our OL's push. It's hard to prepare for something like that. Luckily I don't think SEC interiors will be that small and quick.
The misdirection on offense is tough. It was like playing GT. When we lineup against more traditional teams I think we'll be just fine.

3) still don't know how good Dobbs arm is. Preston was a monster in the first half. And then Malone turned it on in the clutch. We've got the wideouts to win some games we lost last year.

4) Butch, DeBord and Shoop had to be trying to keep some things off film. No way this is the play calling we bring into the meat of our schedule. I know that doesn't make sense given how close the game was but I truly believe once Malone scored Butch and co. thought the defense had them figured out and wouldn't let them score again.
 
#1,711
#1,711
All I know is Ohio State makes a living off of barely beating inferior teams. I have to believe the playbook was not opened up last night, the playcalling was more vanilla than a Trump rally. That has to get better. Our line was abused because the defense knew what was going to happen.

Also, the D played really well, saved the bacon.
 
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IF the play calling was vanilla on purpose and I hope to hell it was or we are in serious trouble- that is horrible coaching right there. Let your guys play from game 1. Week in and week out. What a stupid strategy if that's indeed what happened, nearly ruining our season right out of the gate. Sometimes Butchs decisions and coaching are mind boggling. Sometimes he's wonderful and the guys let loose and it's awesome and then other times it's crap like this. And why did he seem so calm last night on the sideline? I was turning more purple than him watching the damn game on TV. Ugh
 
#1,713
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We have always used the 'holding back' thing to avoid criticizing play calling against team we should beat anyway. Need to admit that that's just the way the play calling is. Debord has called some good games, but last night was horrible.
 
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Lovesomebigorange said:
IF the play calling was vanilla on purpose and I hope to hell it was or we are in serious trouble- that is horrible coaching right there. Let your guys play from game 1. Week in and week out. What a stupid strategy if that's indeed what happened, nearly ruining our season right out of the gate. Sometimes Butchs decisions and coaching are mind boggling. Sometimes he's wonderful and the guys let loose and it's awesome and then other times it's crap like this. And why did he seem so calm last night on the sideline? I was turning more purple than him watching the damn game on TV. Ugh
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So, now we are criticizing him because he was calm? Come on. Let some pass- life will move on.

Butch has always had his team prepared. Last night was the first time they did not appear prepared. It happens. It's not mind boggling because that can be fixed. I think we will see it differently next week.
 
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Yes, the play calling was vanilla. I was upset at times. But what's funny is that on 2nd and goal, Jesse Palmer said that we just needed to run the same handoff to Hurd to get us a TD. We did, and their DT split the middle. That is from an analyst who watches a lot of games. Sometimes, our guys need to execute as well. We should be able to get 2-3 yards on the ground against a team like Appy State when we need to.
 
#1,716
#1,716
I don't get calling vanilla. Had some new wrinkles? Fine. Don't show them. But last year has an entire offense on film. Use it.
 
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First game rust and it was against a good team. One positive for sure, they didn't give up and they finished the 4th QR strong unlike last year. I think it says a lot for a team that wins when they aren't at their best. I believe we are going to see a big difference next week against VT. We got a long week to work on those things we struggled with last night.
 
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VolGee4 said:
So, now we are criticizing him because he was calm? Come on. Let some pass- life will move on.

Butch has always had his team prepared. Last night was the first time they did not appear prepared. It happens. It's not mind boggling because that can be fixed. I think we will see it differently next week.
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Well said. Next week will be whatever it is. No sense at all in borrowing trouble.

I've already said this once, but come Sunday morning, there will be at least 2 or 3 teams that would GLADLY take an ugly OT win over an upset.
 
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#1,721
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yeah I would have just opened the Northwestern game plan up and ran the exact same thing, the teams are pretty similar. I saw nothing I saw in the bowl game.
 
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utvols88 said:
I don't get calling vanilla. Had some new wrinkles? Fine. Don't show them. But last year has an entire offense on film. Use it.
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Don't understand it either. The biggest problem was our Oline. If that's what we got for this year we are in trouble. Doesn't matter how vanilla it was the OL wasn't executing.

And not sure what the journalists have been looking at in fall camp and building us up. The coaches coached flat, the team played flat.
 
#1,724
#1,724
Could it truly be possible that the same plays are not called every game, that surprises in play calling later in the season can yield big dividends a la Florida last year, that Hurd and Kamara were a bit off because of the lack of contact in camp?

I don't know. I just look at this differently than a lot of you guys. How many times did we jump out to a 17 pt lead last year because of brilliant offensive play calling and execution. Playing football is not like making cookies.

Each opponent brings different challenges. Showing everything makes a team predictable. Hurd grinds out over 100, Malone with the big catch, Wolf with clutch plays, Berry with a nice return, Williams getting into the mix, the D showing up and adjusting well. There's plenty to add to. And oh yeah we won.
 
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VolGee4 said:
Yes, the play calling was vanilla. I was upset at times. But what's funny is that on 2nd and goal, Jesse Palmer said that we just needed to run the same handoff to Hurd to get us a TD. We did, and their DT split the middle. That is from an analyst who watches a lot of games. Sometimes, our guys need to execute as well. We should be able to get 2-3 yards on the ground against a team like Appy State when we need to.
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Our lineman were extremely slow off the ball. Almost appeared to stutter before firing off. I went back and watched the goal line series and our linemen were getting hit, not doing the hitting.
 
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