Martin or Moseley

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Dobbs 4 Heisman said:
This staff have continually shown they have poor judgment when it comes to who should start. In 2014 it was their reluctance to play Dobbs. Then last year it was starting Jumper over Kirkland to start the year.

I have zero faith in them putting the best players on the field to start the season.

I could care less who practices better. All I know is when it came to playing in games Moseley was terrible while Martin was pretty good last year.
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Exactly though. Martin didn't get burned nearly as many times as Moseley last year.
 
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Nationdom said:
Sutton is good but last year when challenged he was beat and he seems to get soft on run support in stretches. Keep in my mind that I believe Sutton is a first round draft pick.
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I watch Sutton a lot during games. You're right, he did get beat some, but he won a lot more than he got beat. When he did get beat, it wasn't something he necessarily did wrong, just great throw and catch. Like the play late in Bama game for example, he was there defending well against Ridley
 
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KingtUT said:
Maybe, just maybe, it means Mosely is playing better and has improved and Martin cant learn proper CB techniques and has to rely on athletic ability and that aint enough in the SEC. But hey, what does Shoop know. lol

So funny how the other guy is always better no matter what position it is.
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My post wasn't about Shoop, at all. He's gonna play whoever gives his defense the best chance at being successful and the team the best chance of winning. My post was all about Martin and not living up to his billing. I believe that he's just more talented, more physically gifted than Emmanuel and if he's not the starting CB opposite Cam then it's on him. Jmo.
 
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I heard about Martin fighting in practice too. Talent isn't everything. Must be something holding him back because Shoop did say to media Mosley has seperate himself some as far as who will play opposite Cam.
 
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KBVol said:
My post wasn't about Shoop, at all. He's gonna play whoever gives his defense the best chance at being successful and the team the best chance of winning. My post was all about Martin and not living up to his billing. I believe that he's just more talented, more physically gifted than Emmanuel and if he's not the starting CB opposite Cam then it's on him. Jmo.
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gotcha. Just bugs me that everybody thinks Martin can improve but doesnt accept the fact that maybe Mosley has also. I have no idea, I just trust Shoop
 
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Ok. Listen
No one is questioning Shoops coaching assessment.
We all trust Shoop ! Don't have to keep bringing that into question.

Moseley is doing what he has always done. Practice like a champion.
Not saying Martin plays like a champ, but he has out performed Moseley in game situations.

I assume the same will take place again.
 
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Peyton Berry said:
I heard about Martin fighting in practice too. Talent isn't everything. Must be something holding him back because Shoop did say to media Mosley has seperate himself some as far as who will play opposite Cam.
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And don't forget he did get into a war of words with Butch Jones last year. Allegedly almost to the point of transfer.

I fear the coaches may be letting Martin's attitude affect their evaluation of his game. IMO he's too good to keep off the field just because he doesn't always listen to or respect the coaching staff.

I hope they don't let off field behavior affect talent evaluation on the field. But I fear it might.
 
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KingtUT said:
gotcha. Just bugs me that everybody thinks Martin can improve but doesnt accept the fact that maybe Mosley has also. I have no idea, I just trust Shoop
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It's about who performs on the field when the lights are on. I could care less what happens in practice.

Last year, Moseley proved he couldn't be trusted in games. Martin proved he could.

IMO unless Martin struggles in games, he shouldn't lose his job. I think the coaches are letting off field personality affect talent evaluation.
 
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Will the Vols still have allot of work to do defensively?
My guess would be yes, because they looked lost at times last year.
Go Vols
 
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Dobbs 4 Heisman said:
It's about who performs on the field when the lights are on. I could care less what happens in practice.

Last year, Moseley proved he couldn't be trusted in games. Martin proved he could.

IMO unless Martin struggles in games, he shouldn't lose his job. I think the coaches are letting off field personality affect talent evaluation.
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Obviously not. Lol, our coaches must not like money or winning. This is the 2nd DC thats had Martin behind Mosley, both of them must be blind and they just arent seeing what your seeing on your tv or from the seats of Neyland stadium 4 or 5 times a year.
 
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Martin has more talent. Some players are great practice players and others are gamers. Love to have a guy that does both but EM scares the heck out of me and Martin from what I have seen which is only on game days, is someone I feel very comfortable with. I hope this doesn't bite us like Jumper did and we lose a game we should not had lost. Practice harder Martin. Come on.
 
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KBVol said:
Good points. Could certainly be wrong, but I have a tough time believing that if both players are giving the same type effort on and off the field, that Moseley can beat out a bigger, more talented Martin.

I'll also add that Doug Mathews recently said that Martin's issue with the coaches is that he's not shown a 3 play/down player, meaning that he's shown great ability for 2 plays then suffers with his focus and effort on play 3. Perhaps Moseley isn't showing similar lapses in focus and play and, as such, is ahead of Justin.....would make sense given the coaches' insistence on a consistent high level of play.
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That could be it. Focus, respect, drive, discipline, all could be things outside of outright talent that makes up their "starter" status.

All those guys will rotate and play a lot of snaps and by the time the Florida game rolls around Shoop will know who he wants out on the field during the most critical times of the game and who has earned more snaps.

I'm not worried about a "practice warrior" getting more reps over the better player cause I think not only will they have 3 games to display who is better and the choice will be made from that but they will all play a lot anyway.

The one thing that would worry me is if it's a personality or bad attitude with Martin and the coaches punish him by not letting him see the field. Hopefully he is a good and respectful young man and our captains have handled any probs from fighting or any anger issue's. His measurables are there and he has a high ceiling. Maybe Eman is just playing at a higher level after Shoop has worked his magic. The field will tell the tale.
 
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Dobbs 4 Heisman said:
And don't forget he did get into a war of words with Butch Jones last year. Allegedly almost to the point of transfer.

I fear the coaches may be letting Martin's attitude affect their evaluation of his game. IMO he's too good to keep off the field just because he doesn't always listen to or respect the coaching staff.

I hope they don't let off field behavior affect talent evaluation on the field. But I fear it might.
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Lol stop. If he doesn't listen to or respect the coaches then you bench his ass. You talk as if this dude is Revis or Sanders.
 
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Dobbs 4 Heisman said:
And don't forget he did get into a war of words with Butch Jones last year. Allegedly almost to the point of transfer.

I fear the coaches may be letting Martin's attitude affect their evaluation of his game. IMO he's too good to keep off the field just because he doesn't always listen to or respect the coaching staff.

I hope they don't let off field behavior affect talent evaluation on the field. But I fear it might.
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I just can't imagine some football coach allowing a players attitude to affect their evaluation of him. Those coaches must think it's a team game, or something stupid like that. (Blue font because you would not figure it out).
 
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Dobbs 4 Heisman said:
And don't forget he did get into a war of words with Butch Jones last year. Allegedly almost to the point of transfer.

I fear the coaches may be letting Martin's attitude affect their evaluation of his game. IMO he's too good to keep off the field just because he doesn't always listen to or respect the coaching staff
I hope they don't let off field behavior affect talent evaluation on the field. But I fear it might.
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Attitude is a huge part of the college evaluation not so much in the pros of course so you might possibly be correct on that point. But trust me they are well aware of the fact that the attitude is affecting their judgment of him. I just remember sitting in the stands at Ole Miss in 2014 and seeing him get burnt twice in a row.., one for a touchdown ...granted that was a while ago.
 
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TN Outlaw said:
The coaches have really talked up EMan this fall camp haven't they? Sounds like that will be the guy come Appy State. I agree with how u feel, I thought JM was the better corner last season too. Lots of range and although both got beat several times it seems EMan got beat worse and more at least early in the year.

A lot can change in a year so maybe Mosley has the mental aspect down more or he may have more drive and be the harder worker?

Do you think it could just be motivation for Martin to push him harder?

With Shoop and his history of coaching secondary's up I feel pretty comfy with whichever they go with and I think with the dang stack of talent we have Shoop will rotate them in/out a lot (other than Cam) so starter may not mean much anyway.
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Not saying Mosely has not improved, but I wonder if part of the reason they are hyping him is to motivate/push Martin?

EDIT: I did not read entire post at first then noticed you said same thing.
 
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volnpowell said:
Not saying Mosely has not improved, but I wonder if part of the reason they are hyping him is to motivate/push Martin?

EDIT: I did not read entire post at first then noticed you said same thing.
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This is a possibility.

But more than likely, Moseley is just out playing him in practice.
 
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