Recruiting Forum Football Talk XXVI

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#5,851
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I'm ready for TJ Moore, Ty Chandler, Cam akers, Trey Smith and Justin Foster to commit so every will calm down and realize this program is on solid ground and they're being stupid.
 
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Ericvol2096 said:
I'm ready for TJ Moore, Ty Chandler, Cam akers, Trey Smith and Justin Foster to commit so every will calm down and realize this program is on solid ground and their being stupid.
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Well it will be solid ground if we get all those. No one's denying that lol. Just have to actually do it.
 
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tonybologna said:
If we get all those players listed above then it will definitely be a top 15 class possibly even higher towards the top 10 but not quite around #11-#13 probably.
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UCLA's class last year was 12th with one five star, ten four stars, and seventeen three stars.

If we got one five star, seven four stars, and 17 three stars we would probably be around 15-18th or so.
 
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CrunchingTheVolz said:
UCLA's class last year was 12th with one five star, ten four stars, and seventeen three stars.

If we got one five star, seven four stars, and 17 three stars we would probably be around 15-18th or so.
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This. Those guys alone don't make it a "great" class. I still find it hard to believe we get both RBs. Jmo
 
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CrunchingTheVolz said:
UCLA's class last year was 12th with one five star, ten four stars, and seventeen three stars.

If we got one five star, seven four stars, and 17 three stars we would probably be around 15-18th or so.
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I think in the end we make a top 15 class minimum. I say a 30% chance at a top 10 class. That's just me & trusting Butch can grab 1-2 5* recruits left & get a couple of 4*'s as well.

We can't get another & I mean not a single 3* player though if we want to figure in a possible top 10 class.
 
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Warning: wall of text incoming.


Looking back, I feel like the 2017 class has kind of been a perfect storm of bad circumstances for us. Going all the way back to 2015, we looked forward to this class being a top 5 class where the stars were aligning for us to have possibly the best year of recruiting ever. However, we've had a lot working against us to keep that dream from becoming a reality. Off the top of my head:

1. The way we lost 3/4 of our games in 2015 make it easy for other coaches to negative recruit against Butch as unable to close out big games (no matter how accurate that is or isn't).

2. A number of top in state recruits having little interest in UT to begin with for one reason or another (family issues with UT for Rodgers, not being a native and having little, if any, loyalty to UT for Stevens).

3. The inability to sell immediate playing time the way we could with the 2014 and 2015 class. There's a bit of a logjam at many positions due to how well Butch has recruited recently. This is directly related to the next point.

4. Few players we can point to having put into the NFL draft recently. Teams like Bama, LSU, UGA, and Clemson can point to the players they've put into the NFL to balance out the effect of having loaded depth charts. Though this isn't necessarily Butch's fault, it hurts him on the recruiting trail. Prospects are much more likely to be willing to spend a year or two biding their time if they feel certain that they'll move on to the NFL after they get their chance to start.

5. Two of the legacy recruits we'd long looked forward to as being top tier OL we were shoe-ins to land (Isaiah Stokes and Jalen McKenzie) aren't nearly as highly regarded as they once were. Stokes isn't even playing football anymore and McKenzie has had a number of setbacks with injuries that make his CFB future a bit of an uncertainty. Around this time last year (maybe earlier, I can't remember exactly) it was assumed those two would be 4* cornerstones of our OL class.

6. No one is really sure of the extent it really impacted us on the recruiting trail, but the Title IX lawsuit undoubtedly had some negative effect on our AD and Football staff's PR.

7. As far as WRs go, we've had another perfect storm of circumstances working against us. A lot of highly touted guys can't stay healthy or haven't lived up to their billing (respectively, North and Malone), the OL's struggles in pass pro, (the perception/reality of) poor WR coaching, QB struggles in the passing game since Butch came to town, and the fact that our running game has been so good our coaches would be stupid not to build our off dive attack around it. (Edit: I really do expect our passing game to take a solid ate forward this year due to a combo of the best mix of OL and QB experience we've seen under Butch and good experienced and young talent across the board at WR and TE. )

I think we'd be able to overcome any one or two of these circumstances and put together a killer class under normal conditions, but all of it coming together at once has made things difficult for the staff to close IMO.

Luckily, I really do think our 2016 class was underrated and that our staff is pretty good at identifying less highly regarded guys with a lot of potential. Additionally, the 2018 in state class seems to be really strong and we have an in with a number of out of state talent due to recruiting success in earlier classes.

I think we'll see a slight uptick in 2017 recruiting that coincides with on the field success in 2016. However, we're not gonna have a class near the caliber we'd long assumed we'd have this year. I really do think we can have that type of recruiting class in 2018 though, since a large number of the circumstances working against us this year will likely have been remedied and/or forgotten by this time next year.
 
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I know it's a popular joke to talk about our WRs blocking ability. However, I've been watching the Tenn vs. UGA game and I just saw one of our WRs (Malone, I think) block an UGA defender into next Sunday. THAT enabled Josh Smith to go for six and turn the game around. I'd never really noticed it before but that block was yuuuuge.
 
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Keep hearing about how the lawsuit was used against us, meanwhile the Texas A&M OL and ST coaches were suspended for two week w/o pay for actually putting stuff like this on a board.
 

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CrunchingTheVolz said:
It wasn't overrated. The star power is there. Especially instate.

Unless you're talking about the folks sure we would get them instead of looking like a blind man playing baseball.
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According to ESPN, the 2018 in-state class is stronger.

6 players from Tennessee are in the top 100 for 2018 compared to just 4 in the top 100 for 2017.
 
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Dobbs 4 Heisman said:
According to ESPN, the 2018 in-state class is stronger.

6 players from Tennessee are in the top 100 for 2018 compared to just 4 in the top 100 for 2017.
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I expect it to get better and better. Doesn't change my opinion that 2017 isn't a down year coast to coast recruiting star wise, and especially instate. Other than QBs, I think it's fine. We're just not getting them.
 
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butchna said:
Keep hearing about how the lawsuit was used against us, meanwhile the Texas A&M OL and ST coaches were suspended for two week w/o pay for actually putting stuff like this on a board.
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Jim Turner (Miami Coach fired for his role in Miami Dolphins Bullygate) changes A&M fight song:

“We are Aggie women / We are filled with estrogen” and “We are putting down our dish towels / And taking off our gloves.”

and gives women tips on playing football:

“No penetration,” “Never bend over,” and “Don’t end up on your back.”

This guy is not working from a clean slate. 2 week suspension is not enough IMO. He's bad news.
 
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Kristy* said:
Jim Turner (Miami Coach fired for his role in Miami Dolphins Bullygate) changes A&M fight song:

“We are Aggie women / We are filled with estrogen” and “We are putting down our dish towels / And taking off our gloves.”

and gives women tips on playing football:

“No penetration,” “Never bend over,” and “Don’t end up on your back.”

This guy is not working from a clean slate. 2 week suspension is not enough IMO. He's bad news.
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Are you serious? I agree with all the crap that went on at Baylor and all the negative press UT has received from the Title IX lawsuit this guy should be gonzo before the day is out.

"Don't bother packing your office. We'll ship you crap to you. You just go call a realtor and a moving company because you need to get out of town yesterday."

- What the TAMU AD should tell this idiot
 
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UTProf said:
I know it's a popular joke to talk about our WRs blocking ability. However, I've been watching the Tenn vs. UGA game and I just saw one of our WRs (Malone, I think) block an UGA defender into next Sunday. THAT enabled Josh Smith to go for six and turn the game around. I'd never really noticed it before but that block was yuuuuge.
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That really should have been offensive pass interference, but I get your point. Malone knocked the guy down so he couldn't defend the pass. I'm sure we were due a no call anyways. Our WR do a great job blocking; when Hurd scored against Bama at the end I think it was either Pearson or Malone who had a great block on the edge.
 
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Kristy* said:
Jim Turner (Miami Coach fired for his role in Miami Dolphins Bullygate) changes A&M fight song:

“We are Aggie women / We are filled with estrogen” and “We are putting down our dish towels / And taking off our gloves.”

and gives women tips on playing football:

“No penetration,” “Never bend over,” and “Don’t end up on your back.”

This guy is not working from a clean slate. 2 week suspension is not enough IMO. He's bad news.
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The Richie Incognito affair. Wonder if recruit's families will flock to this "culture"?
 
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glichtenwalter said:
Are you serious? I agree with all the crap that went on at Baylor and all the negative press UT has received from the Title IX lawsuit this guy should be gonzo before the day is out.

"Don't bother packing your office. We'll ship you crap to you. You just go call a realtor and a moving company because you need to get out of town yesterday."

- What the TAMU AD should tell this idiot
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Serious. And agree. This isn't a kid. This is an authoritative figure, leading by that great example. And anyone given a second chance should know better than to promote anything risque.
 
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Kristy* said:
Serious. And agree. This isn't a kid. This is an authoritative figure, leading by that great example. And anyone given a second chance should know better than to promote anything risque.
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Yes. I agree. If you mess up once (depending on the mess up) you should get a second chance. If you didn't learn from the first mistake you don't need to be in an position of authority. I have three daughters and this is the crap that pisses me off to no end. I pray each day that I can raised them to be strong confident young women who would call jerks like this on their BS.
 
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Kristy* said:
Serious. And agree. This isn't a kid. This is an authoritative figure, leading by that great example. And anyone given a second chance should know better than to promote anything risque.
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I'm a strong believer in firing people for simple stupidity.

This is one of those cases.
 
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