Recruiting Forum Football Talk XXVI

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#2,652
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Fair enough. I guess it comes down to UGA having a miracle season or not. FL will not be the champs this year, you can book that.
 
#2,653
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Plenty of factors with recruiting. Winning a championship would easily boost recruiting.
 
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#2,654
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What's the best thing Butch could be selling recruits following this season? Tennessee is playing for championships. We need to be in the SEC title game to use that obviously.
 
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Aesius said:
If we win the East, we better win the damn SECCG.

Mizzou making it to ATL twice in a row did nothing for them. UF making it to ATL and losing to Bama did nothing for them.

If you make it there, you need to win it.
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Depends on how we get there. None if those teams went in with playoff chances.
 
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Ulysees E. McGill said:
It is not over one player InVol. This is the cumulative effect of bad news upon bad news upon bad news. Give me some real great news...come on. We getting Gibbs? We getting Smith? We getting Chandler? Are we getting any WRs at all worth a crap?
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What's the bad news other than Benedict TeeArnold?
 
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chavisut said:
Depends on how we get there. None if those teams went in with playoff chances.
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Well, let's say we are 11-1 heading into ATL. Then we lose.

Does Butch get credit for making it there, or does he get roasted for choking away a playoff berth? I'm going with the latter.
 
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Been trying, like most of us, to wrap my head around these recent developments. So here is a thought, or conspiracy, that some may like to consider.

What are the chances that Butch and company backed out on HJ? I mean, it could be that CBJ and staff got the impression that HJ doesn't possess the intangibles they expect. Couple that with lingering questions regarding his physical talents and whether he fits the system and maybe, just maybe, they asked him to take a step back from his commitment.

Might help to explain the vendetta HJ appears to have. Couple that with an all too willing participant like AR, and it starts to make a little bit more sense.

Any takers?
 
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St. JohnVolCactus said:
Been trying, like most of us, to wrap my head around these recent developments. So here is a thought, or conspiracy, that some may like to consider.

What are the chances that Butch and company backed out on HJ? I mean, it could be that CBJ and staff got the impression that HJ doesn't possess the intangibles they expect. Couple that with lingering questions regarding his physical talents and whether he fits the system and maybe, just maybe, they asked him to take a step back from his commitment.

Might help to explain the vendetta HJ appears to have. Couple that with an all too willing participant like AR, and it starts to make a little bit more sense.

Any takers?
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It's possible. I just didn't see the logic in taking Johnson in the first place. This offense needs a dual-threat guy, IMO. It's also weird to me that our top 2 QBs for 2018 are Trevor Lawrence and Emory Jones. The top DT and top pro-style QBs for that class. You can't tell me that both would be equally successful in this system.
 
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Aesius said:
Well, let's say we are 11-1 heading into ATL. Then we lose.

Does Butch get credit for making it there, or does he get roasted for choking away a playoff berth? I'm going with the latter.
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I'll take it. 11 wins is improvement. More important is the perception that Tennessee is relevant again and in the title discussion. A recruiter can sell that.
 
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InVOLuntary said:
I can't believe the freakout over one player. Sure it would have been awesome to have Tee represent his home state school but Tee does not make Tennessee. The Vols will be fine without him. There are other high quality receivers out there and Butch will land a few. One player does not make a team. We'll be fine. I'll bet Tee, if he does end up signing with Clem's son will always wonder "what if?".

He'll never be able to come home and be celebrated like he would Ave if he was a Vol. Look at the players that didn't end up staying home. They're not nearly the heros that the ones that did. Look at Leroy Thompson, Randall Cobb. While highly respected they never had that hometown hero status. His loss IMO.
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Yea, I don't get the melt down over one player either and its July. Its like its got to be all good news or we are headed to hell in a hand basket when someone in State doesn't stay home. Every once in a while it happens. Look at he players we steal out of GA and other states.
 
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Orange Studs said:
Yea, I don't get the melt down over one player either and its July. Its like its got to be all good news or we are headed to hell in a hand basket when someone in State doesn't stay home. Every once in a while it happens. Look at he players we steal out of GA and other states.
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I think it's the fact that we aren't looking hot for other top recruits at the moment either and Higgins will probably be on a warpath along with Johnson and Rodgers to steal other top in-state guys.
 
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With the depth he's built on D, OL, and the potential that JG is an upgrade over Dobbs, this season is just the beginning not the end all do all for Butch. This year is looking good yet only two top10 classes on the roster. Butch isn't on any hot seat.
 
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Orange Studs said:
Yea, I don't get the melt down over one player either and its July. Its like its got to be all good news or we are headed to hell in a hand basket when someone in State doesn't stay home. Every once in a while it happens. Look at he players we steal out of GA and other states.
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Being the clear #1 player probably has a lot to do with it. Its not just some recruit.
 
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Aesius said:
It's possible. I just didn't see the logic in taking Johnson in the first place. This offense needs a dual-threat guy, IMO. It's also weird to me that our top 2 QBs for 2018 are Trevor Lawrence and Emory Jones. The top DT and top pro-style QBs for that class. You can't tell me that both would be equally successful in this system.
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One more post...I didn't like Johnson as a player when he was a commit, and I really don't like him at all now. Gunner clone fraud and a bunghole.
 
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Aesius said:
I think it's the fact that we aren't looking hot for other top recruits at the moment either and Higgins will probably be on a warpath along with Johnson and Rodgers to steal other top in-state guys.
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Dingdingding..we have a winner. Why is this so hard to understand?
 
#2,667
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Posted this in the baseball forum but I thought it would be fun to see who can place this name?

BruinVol said:
Home grown that got away.

Anyone recognize the name?

If so the coaches get a pass for letting this one get out of state

@KNIGHTS_BASEBTN: Congrats to 2018 RHP @carter_sells on his commitment to @ArkRazorbacks @PerfectGameUSA #reptheK
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#2,668
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Look at the poll when it comes out was my point. It does not take a genius to say we have to win. So does every other team. We have a lot to be happy about was the point. 4 years ago we had no hope. We would go into games just wondering how bad we would lose. I remember looking at the football time magazine and trying to find those six wins. And discussing with my dad and brothers about wanting to beat Vandy for goodness sake. We have come a long way
 
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St. JohnVolCactus said:
Been trying, like most of us, to wrap my head around these recent developments. So here is a thought, or conspiracy, that some may like to consider.

What are the chances that Butch and company backed out on HJ? I mean, it could be that CBJ and staff got the impression that HJ doesn't possess the intangibles they expect. Couple that with lingering questions regarding his physical talents and whether he fits the system and maybe, just maybe, they asked him to take a step back from his commitment.

Might help to explain the vendetta HJ appears to have. Couple that with an all too willing participant like AR, and it starts to make a little bit more sense.

Any takers?
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I suppose its possible, but doesn't seem likely.
 
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therickbol said:
There is basically this constant debate on here about the star system. All these wonderful stats people post to support why stars matter only to be followed up by somebody else's stats that prove stars don't matter. Here's the thing, we know some 3-star and 4-star players become good-to-great players. Is it dumb luck finding which low-rated recruits have the best chance of panning out? All 3-stars are not created equal. I think our staff, (whether it is CBJ\Bob\other people behind the scenes) has shown the ability to identify lower-rated guys that have a higher probability of turning into good-to-great players. That helps. Win lots of games. Get lots of media hype all season. I am certainly not going to dull my enjoyment of the here and now (which is our best team in a LONG time) because of insecurities about what MIGHT happen in the future IF we don't recruit better in 7 months. But if that's your cup of tea, ruin your present enjoyment.
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Hurd dat!! Can't wait until Sept 1st. Still not worried about recruiting under Butch.
 
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MEDVOL said:
I suppose its possible, but doesn't seem likely.
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Yeah, I don't think so. Butch took him as he felt he could throw it well and moved well enough to run the offense. Even if he isn't a perfect fit for the offense, you don't run off the #1 QB in the country, especially when there isn't another top 2017 we're even in on. You put him on the depth chart and keep rollin. HJ walking, was HJs decision.
 
#2,672
#2,672
Lol, there's not one player in the country that is that important to a team. The Vols will be fine with or without this pre Madonna.
 
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CrunchingTheVolz said:
Being the clear #1 player probably has a lot to do with it. Its not just some recruit.
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We use to lose them all on a regular bases until CBJ came alone. Not saying it doesn't hurt but now everything is doom and gloom? Isn't it possible that CBJ gets some awesome players to flip if we have the season we think we will have? Why don't we wait until the season is over and signing day and see how things shake out? Every year the recruiting class never ends up the way it begins and usually ends up a strong class.
 
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Orange Studs said:
We use to lose them all on a regular bases until CBJ came alone. Not saying it doesn't hurt but now everything is doom and gloom? Isn't it possible that CBJ gets some awesome players to flip if we have the season we think we will have? Why don't we wait until the season is over and signing day and see how things shake out? Every year the recruiting class never ends up the way it begins and usually ends up a strong class.
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So don't discuss recruiting till the season is over and it's NSD? Nah, that doesn't sound enjoyable at all.
 
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