Bleacher Report's lead NFL Draft analyst on Josh Dobbs

[jasonvol18]

Oh man, it's not about Dobbs.
He is one of the most popular quarterbacks Tennessee has had.

It's about him constantly pushing fantasy and getting everybody buying stock in something that isn't real.

There is no such thing as a cake walk to the National Championship which is his ultimate sale. And most of people who argue with him are regulars. We just don't want to sit and listen to the whining after the season.
When it turns out the D4H and the Nigerian prince they helped on the internet both mislead them.
That doesn't mean we can't win a National Championship, it just means there's no such thing as easily and "no excuse not to"

Exactly..I like Josh more than any Vol QB not named Peyton. He is a great kid,couldn't ask for a better representative of UT,he is highly intelligent, it's amazing the classwork and studying he has to do along with all football activities. I want him to succeed as much as any player that has been or is a Vol. I want him to win the heisman,lead us to a championship,win every football and scholarship award there is to win. The only knock on him has been his passing game and just like Butch the inability to beat ranked teams or our biggest rivals. Hopefully that all changes this year.

 

[k-town_king]

Short passes for Peyton and Brady is around 10 yards. The majority of our passing game is screen,swing,RB out of the backfield and jet sweep when it gets tossed forward that we love to run at least 5 times a game. And as Debord and Butch has said we do throw A lot of short passes because it is used as an extension of the run game and they like to use both RB's as receivers out of the backfield. No matter how anyone twists it they don't trust Josh enough to throw more of the intermediate and deeper passes unless they just have to. But I guarantee if he gets those issues fixed we will see more of a vertical passing game.

That is just isn't true. I have posted several articles showing how they throw short passes. That is what successful qbs do.

career yards per attempt
Tom Brady 7.4
Peyton 7.7
Dobbs 6.5

So about a yard more for Brady and Manning.

You only post to say negative stuff about Dobbs anyway so I'm not surprised you are making up stuff to make Dobbs look bad.

 

[KBVol]

My apologies, I was mainly focusing on the completion percentage comparison since that seems to be the main negative about Dobbs.

Also I don't think you looked at the number of games played. Dobbs had 5 games that he played in as a freshman, 6 games (starting with Alabama obviously) as a sophomore, and a whole season as a junior where the majority of the offense was focused on our 2 former 5 star RBs. Wilson played a full season each of his first 3 years.

The 6 games Dobbs had as a sophomore, completed 63% percent of his passes for 1200 yards. Wilson had 59.3% completed for 3000 yards...in 12 games.

This is actually a very fair comparison if you break down the amount of playing time each QB has had. Most definitely in the same conversation.

EDIT: The full season Dobbs has had compared to Wilson's full season junior year..

58% to Dobbs' 59%
3563 yards to Dobbs' 2291 yards
15 INTs to Dobbs' 5 INTS
***total rushing NC State: 1603 UT: 2908

A few points of comparison....throw out the freshman seasons, since Dobbs was forced into action when he should have redshirted and only played in 5 games. Btw, this hurts Wilson in the comparison since he threw 17 tds vs only 1 interception, but that's what we'll do.....compare just the sophomore and junior seasons:

1. Wilson had a significantly higher passer rating.....135.5 to 123.5

2. Wilson, even when you exclude his unbelievable senior season yards per attempt of 10.3, he was better at throwing the ball down the field.....7.2 ypa for Wilson vs Dobbs at 6.7

3. Despite having approximately the same completion percentages, Wilson's tds per game was nearly 2 times that of Dobbs'..... 2.36 per game for Wilson (59 tds in 25 games) vs 1.26 per game for Josh (24 in 19 games).

4. TD to interception ratio was better for Wilson (2.36) than Dobbs (2.18)

All this being said, I'm a huge Dobbs fan, I love the kid. But I also try to be honest about our players. Let's hope against all hope that Dobbs has the type of monster season this year as Wilson had in his senior season. If that happens, I think we're playing for championships and Josh's NFL draft stock soars.

 

[Dobbs 4 Heisman]

The passing stats comparison isn't even close. The TD to Int radio isn't even on the same planet and neither is the yardage. Comparing both of their passing stats against the other would not make a good argument for Josh. Those stats are on opposite ends of the spectrum. Just like height hasn't hurt Wilson or Brees and didn't help Jarmarcus Russell or Tim Tebow. Wilson is a great passer and is accurate down field and so far Josh isn't. The yardage,TD/Into ratio and rating's arent even comparable right now.

Completion % and YPA their first 3 years are comparable. Wilson just played in an offense that threw the ball a lot more at NC State.

The big thing is Wilson took a huge leap his senior year. He increased his completion % by 13 points and nearly doubled his YPA.

Here's to Josh making a similar leap this year.

 

[Dobbs 4 Heisman]

If Dobbs can even sniff the completion %, yards per attempt, TD to int ratio and passer rating this year that Wilson did as a senior, then you're right, there's no argument. Until then however, very little from Dobbs' body of work as a collegiate passer suggests he's gonna be a "legit NFL quarterback" IMHO.

Aren't you the guy who doubts Josh can significantly increase his YPA and completion % as a senior?

Here's another example of a senior QB (along with Brandon Allen) making a huge leap statistically as a senior.

And unlike Wilson and Allen, Dobbs didn't have the benefit of a redshirt year. He's going into his true senior season.

Expect Dobbs to make a similar leap this year. I'm predicting at least:

3,200+ yards passing
30+ passing TDs
65-70% completion percentage
10.0+ YPA

 

[jasonvol18]

That is just isn't true. I have posted several articles showing how they throw short passes. That is what successful qbs do.

career yards per attempt
Tom Brady 7.4
Peyton 7.7
Dobbs 6.5

So about a yard more for Brady and Manning.

You only post to say negative stuff about Dobbs anyway so I'm not surprised you are making up stuff to make Dobbs look bad.

Calm down bro I wasn't being negative at all and you damn sure haven't read many of my posts. I just made one that was nothing but positive about him. Yards per attempt doesn't tell you much.But to make it fair you have to do Peyton's yard per attempt while in college which was 8.5 which is 2 yards more. And just throwing in something else on the yards per attempt that ranked Josh #91 among college QB's last year. So for us to have a chance at the SEC Championship,beating one or both of our biggest rivals or getting to a BCS type bowl that number needs to significantly improve. So no that is not me trying to make him look bad, that is putting the numbers YOU just posted and showing it is low and needs to improve.

 

[Dobbs 4 Heisman]

Wasn't saying anything negative to you. The bottom line is that at this point, what Dobbs has shown doesn't equal to a great career in the NFL......or drafted in the top rounds like D4H has been babbling about. He's not there yet, but he could get there and he has this season to show it.

Argue with the NFL scouts that like him not me.

I've only posted the news.

Remember all you need is one team to like you. And you're crazy if you think there isn't a single NFL team that won't fall in love with what he brings.

If freakin EJ Manuel can go in the FIRST ROUND because of his personality and smile, you best believe (even without a stellar senior season) that someone will also fall in love with Josh's potential.

 

[BearCat204]

Argue with the NFL scouts that like him not me.

I've only posted the news.

Remember all you need is one team to like you. And you're crazy if you think there isn't a single NFL team that won't fall in love with what he brings.

If freakin EJ Manuel can go in the FIRST ROUND because of his personality and smile, you best believe (even without a stellar senior season) that someone will also fall in love with Josh's potential.

How many scouts have been on record as liking him in the top rounds?

Of course that could happen, but your constant babbling about it being a forgone conclusion continues to be ridiculous. I hope he does, but there isn't anything that he has shown as of now pointing to him having an amazing senior year.....which is what would have to happen in order for him to be taken high.....that and about 4 other QBs completely underwhelming this coming year.

 

[jasonvol18]

Completion % and YPA their first 3 years are comparable. Wilson just played in an offense that threw the ball a lot more at NC State.

The big thing is Wilson took a huge leap his senior year. He increased his completion % by 13 points and nearly doubled his YPA.

Here's to Josh making a similar leap this year.

Brother nobody wants that more than me. Josh is one of those kids you love to pull for and want nothing but great things for him. We couldn't ask for a better role model or representative of our Vols. We have been so fortunate to have a player of his character and ability, especially with all of the negative things we hear about football players. I hope Josh improves on his stats like the kind of improvement Crompton made his SR year but just with more wins. There is no doubt the ability is there it just needs to all come together for him his SR year. And if it does we are playing in the SEC Championship game and hopefully 2 more games after that one.

 

[Dobbs 4 Heisman]

How many scouts have been on record as liking him in the top rounds?

Of course that could happen, but your constant babbling about it being a forgone conclusion continues to be ridiculous. I hope he does, but there isn't anything that he has shown as of now pointing to him having an amazing senior year.....which is what would have to happen in order for him to be taken high.....that and about 4 other QBs completely underwhelming this coming year.

All you need is ONE team.

 

[BearCat204]

If you are saying "freaking EJ Manuel" being a surprise, perhaps comparing junior year stats to Dobbs could leave one scratching their heads as to why you KNOW that Dobbs will be taken early. Not to mention what Manuel did his senior season

 

[Dobbs 4 Heisman]

How many scouts have been on record as liking him in the top rounds?

Of course that could happen, but your constant babbling about it being a forgone conclusion continues to be ridiculous. I hope he does, but there isn't anything that he has shown as of now pointing to him having an amazing senior year.....which is what would have to happen in order for him to be taken high.....that and about 4 other QBs completely underwhelming this coming year.

So being the only player in SEC history outside of Johnny Manziel to have MULTIPLE 300 yard passing/100 yard rushing games isn't showing something?

Dobbs has flashed SUPERSTAR talent. Its the reason he's on some heisman lists. He just hasn't done it CONSISTENTLY.

You gotta be a HATER to say something this ridiculous. That Josh hasn't shown us anything thus far to think he can have a monster senior season.

The opposite is actually true. Josh has given us glimpses of immense potential. Its all about just putting it all together this year and being more consistent.

 

[BearCat204]

All you need is ONE team.

Of course.....Tim Tebow comes to mind.

 

[KBVol]

Dobbs doesn't throw anymore short passes than any other qb. Peyton and Brady throw nothing but short passes.

But there is a great comparison to Dobbs. Tyrod Taylor

Tyrod Taylor Stats | College Football at Sports-Reference.com

Joshua Dobbs Stats | College Football at Sports-Reference.com

That's just not true. Compare their collegiate stats which demonstrate this best.....


Dobbs-
Average yds per attempt....6.5
Adjusted net yds per attempt.....6.1

Brady-
Average yds per attempt.....7.5
Adjusted net yds per attempt.....7.2

Manning-
Average yds per attempt.....8.1
Average net yds per attempt.....8.3

 

[Dobbs 4 Heisman]

If you are saying "freaking EJ Manuel" being a surprise, perhaps comparing junior year stats to Dobbs could leave one scratching their heads as to why you KNOW that Dobbs will be taken early. Not to mention what Manuel did his senior season

I used Manuel as an example because he was a guy no one was projecting as a first rounder. Most teams had him with a 3rd round grade. But Buffalo's staff just fell in love with him

Tebow is another example of a guy 90% of the league didn't want but Denver fell in love and took him in the first round.

All you need is one team.

 

[jasonvol18]

Argue with the NFL scouts that like him not me.

I've only posted the news.

Remember all you need is one team to like you. And you're crazy if you think there isn't a single NFL team that won't fall in love with what he brings.

If freakin EJ Manuel can go in the FIRST ROUND because of his personality and smile, you best believe (even without a stellar senior season) that someone will also fall in love with Josh's potential.

You're exactly right. All it takes is one and if he makes the improvement he is capable of it will be more than just one team. With all of the bad pub college and even more so NFL players get every GM would be salivating to get a high character QB like Josh. Obviously he would have to do it on the field first and foremost but throw in his character,intelligence and leadership to go along with playing the position that gets more attention and focus than any other. GM's would be praying to the football Gods to get first crack at drafting him. We couldn't ask for a better kid to bring us our first ever Heisman trophy and a long overdue National Championship.

 

[BearCat204]

So being the only player in SEC history outside of Johnny Manziel to have MULTIPLE 300 yard passing/100 yard rushing games isn't showing something?

Dobbs has flashed SUPERSTAR talent. Its the reason he's on some heisman lists. He just hasn't done it CONSISTENTLY.

You gotta be a HATER to something this ridiculous. That Josh hasn't shown is anything this far to think he can have a monster senior season.

The opposite is actually true. Josh has given us glimpses of immense potential. Its all about just putting it all together this year and being more consistent.

I am one of his biggest fans

 

[jasonvol18]

So being the only player in SEC history outside of Johnny Manziel to have MULTIPLE 300 yard passing/100 yard rushing games isn't showing something?

Dobbs has flashed SUPERSTAR talent. Its the reason he's on some heisman lists. He just hasn't done it CONSISTENTLY.

You gotta be a HATER to something this ridiculous. That Josh hasn't shown is anything this far to think he can have a monster senior season.

The opposite is actually true. Josh has given us glimpses of immense potential. Its all about just putting it all together this year and being more consistent.

That will be his biggest thing to improve on, being more consistent. We all know the great things about him and he has shown flashes of being a really good passer. Take the Ala game last year. The opening drive and both TD drives he looked as good as any QB throwing the ball. Both of the TD drives he was as accurate as you could ask for. That TD pass to Smith in the corner of the end zone was a thing of beauty. Then throw in our other TD drive he made a couple 20+ yard passes that showed the passing potential he has. But for some reason he hasn't been able to be more consistent with it. He looked great at the end of last year including the bowl game and looked really sharp in the spring game. If we can get a full season of that Dobb's slinging it around then we could beat anybody on any day. Time for him to put it all together and make his SR year one we all will remember.

 

[TrueOrange]

I used Manuel as an example because he was a guy no one was projecting as a first rounder. [bold]Most teams had him with a 3rd round grade. [/bold]But Buffalo's staff just fell in love with him

Tebow is another example of a guy 90% of the league didn't want but Denver fell in love and took him in the first round.

All you need is one team.

Really? Most mock drafts going into the event seemed to have him in the high to mid 2nd round range.

 

[k-town_king]

That's just not true. Compare their collegiate stats which demonstrate this best.....


Dobbs-
Average yds per attempt....6.5
Adjusted net yds per attempt.....6.1

Brady-
Average yds per attempt.....7.5
Adjusted net yds per attempt.....7.2

Manning-
Average yds per attempt.....8.1
Average net yds per attempt.....8.3

So Brady had 1 yard more per attempt. He averaged 7.48 per attempt in college. He also had worse stats overall than Dobbs . Less Tds, more ints. In 12 games his Jr year he had 14 tds and 10 ints.


Tom Brady Stats | College Football at Sports-Reference.com

Peyton is the greatest and Dobbs is not in is ballpark as a passer. No one is. He still only had 1.5 yards more per attempt. Not a huge difference.

Peyton and Brady have made careers on short passes. Anyone who watches the NFL knows that is what they do. They rarely throw long passes through the air.

 

[HoptownVol]

I still don't see it but if my Pats can justify taking Jacoby Brissett in the 3rd round, anything can happen. What this proves more than anything is
that the league is starved for QB talent.

 

[HoptownVol]

That is a good question which I don't have the answer to. Perhaps D4H can speak to us regarding this subject

Jay Berwanger was the last guy that said "no thanks" to the NFL.

 

[Biopsyman]

I still don't see it but if my Pats can justify taking Jacoby Brissett in the 3rd round, anything can happen. What this proves more than anything is
that the league is starved for QB talent.

They wanted to get him before Cleveland..

 

[KBVol]

So Brady had 1 yard more per attempt. He averaged 7.48 per attempt in college. He also had worse stats overall than Dobbs . Less Tds, more ints. In 12 games his Jr year he had 14 tds and 10 ints.


Tom Brady Stats | College Football at Sports-Reference.com

Peyton is the greatest and Dobbs is not in is ballpark as a passer. No one is. He still only had 1.5 yards more per attempt. Not a huge difference.

Peyton and Brady have made careers on short passes. Anyone who watches the NFL knows that is what they do. They rarely throw long passes through the air.

1.5 yards more per attempt is a very significant number and disproves your original point that Dobbs "doesn't throw more short passes than Manning (and Brady)". 8.1 yards per attempt is very good, 6.5 is very poor. For example, as juniors, Manning only threw 36 more passes than Dobbs but he threw for about 1,000 more yards because he threw for "only about 2 more yards per attempt"...... which is a huge difference.

And while I'll agree that both Manning and Brady historically throw a lot of short passes as an extension of the running game, they also have always shown strong abilities to stretch the field and be accurate throwing deep. They both have 5,000 yard seasons in the NFL, in which they both averaged about 8.5 yards per attempt......and that wouldn't be true if they hadn't been able to push the ball up the field. For crying out loud they're arguably 2 of the 3 or 4 best throwing quarterbacks in the history of the game.

Josh to this point hasn't shown that type of ability....hopefully we see that change beginning here in about 78 days or so because I really believe he has the physical talent to do it, just gotta put all the pieces together.

 

[Nasavol]

D4H and Ktown can argue all they want, but, at this point Dobbs = Brandon Harris, no more, no less. As a matter of fact, Harris was by far the higher rated of the two coming in to college. To even suggest he is on Watson's level is asinine, and, frankly childish at this point.

If Dobbs blows up and has a monster season, I will be more than happy to come in here and eat crow. If he has another year comparable to what he had last year will all the others be willing to do the same?