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Mods care not for your request. :cray: How sad.

I don't think anyone moved it, as far as I can tell. I think he posted in two threads, which is fine. I'm all for helping out Nick in any way we can. I really enjoyed watching him play here. :hi:
 
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I don't think anyone moved it, as far as I can tell. I think he posted in two threads, which is fine. I'm all for helping out Nick in any way we can. I really enjoyed watching him play here. :hi:

My fault, fellas! :hi:
 
I'm sorry, but could you provide anything more substantial? Relying on headlines and criticisms from Obama's opponents alone isn't exactly a good method of building informed, unbiased opinions. It's definitely easier to take things at face value, though.

As far as never saying it's all Obama's fault, that's technically not incorrect, but very disingenuous. You've been heavily implying it and summing up the problem as "a weakness in leadership" and nothing else.

Public opinion polls conducted by Japan’s Cabinet Office shows the changes in Japanese perceptions of its giant neighbor. In 2000, the biggest threats to Japan’s national security were regarded as being the Korean Peninsula (56.7%), disarmament and weapon of mass destruction (35.2%), and US-Russia relations (17.9%). China was not even among the choices offered except in the context of US-China relations (13.1%) and China-Russia relations (11.7%). The Japanese did not assume that China itself was a security threat to Japan.[36]

In the same poll conducted in 2012, many Japanese respondents said they were concerned about the modernization of China’s military and its maritime activities (46.0%)—the second most popular response after the Korean Peninsula (64.9%).[37]

"Another poll conducted by a Japanese NGO in 2013 showed the Japanese feel most threatened militarily by North Korea (73.4%), followed by China (61.8%). Respondents choosing China also gave their reasons why. The two top choices were concern with China’s intrusions into Japan’s territorial waters, and concern with Japan and China’s conflict over territories, which were more 60%. The same poll asked the same questions to Chinese citizens, who saw the United State as being the biggest threat (71.6%) and Japan as the second biggest (53.9%).[38]"


Inside the Ring: Report faults Pentagon's Asia rebalance - Washington Times


"The Obama administration is faulted in the report for failing to provide a single, agreed-upon definition of the U.S. rebalancing strategy. Administration officials questioned by a CSIS panel of experts found “confusion” about the strategy and concern about implementation.

The study urged expanding the military presence in Asia to ease fears among states in Asia about U.S. force posture, especially in Northeast Asia."


“The Chinese People’s Liberation Army’s anti-access/area denial capabilities that many once viewed as Taiwan-specific are rapidly expanding to the Second Island Chain and beyond, affecting not only an increasing number of U.S. allies and partners, but also U.S. territories such as Guam,” the report said.

China’s island-chain strategy calls for expanding power and influence farther from Chinese shores through two island chains stretching from Japan through Southeast Asia.

China has been rapidly building up its forces designed to push the U.S. military out of Asia. The buildup includes new submarines, warships, anti-ship missiles, and cyberwarfare and space warfare weapons."

“We recommend institutionalizing a culture of experimentation; encouraging rapid platform evolution; developing advanced long-range missiles; funding innovative missile defense concepts; fielding additional air combat systems; exploiting the U.S. undersea advantage; and augmenting space, cyber, and electronic warfare capabilities,” the report said.

Surely you aren't going to attempt to discredit the Pentagon or Japan's Cabinet Office now too? Look, I get it. You don't think there's a serious problem and you don't think there's anything we can do but appease and accommodate. That explains why you also don't see how Obama's appeasing posture affects the rate and level of Chinese aggression. It's not the only factor, but it's a big fat one. We'll just have to agree to disagree. It's my opinion and that of many, many other more qualified individuals than myself that China is a current and escalating threat to the territory, stability, and long term security of American allies in the region, and that we can effectively counteract and oppose those threats without firing a shot. And, no, I'm not in favor of the Trump China tariff war.
 
Public opinion polls conducted by Japan’s Cabinet Office shows the changes in Japanese perceptions of its giant neighbor. In 2000, the biggest threats to Japan’s national security were regarded as being the Korean Peninsula (56.7%), disarmament and weapon of mass destruction (35.2%), and US-Russia relations (17.9%). China was not even among the choices offered except in the context of US-China relations (13.1%) and China-Russia relations (11.7%). The Japanese did not assume that China itself was a security threat to Japan.[36]

In the same poll conducted in 2012, many Japanese respondents said they were concerned about the modernization of China’s military and its maritime activities (46.0%)—the second most popular response after the Korean Peninsula (64.9%).[37]

"Another poll conducted by a Japanese NGO in 2013 showed the Japanese feel most threatened militarily by North Korea (73.4%), followed by China (61.8%). Respondents choosing China also gave their reasons why. The two top choices were concern with China’s intrusions into Japan’s territorial waters, and concern with Japan and China’s conflict over territories, which were more 60%. The same poll asked the same questions to Chinese citizens, who saw the United State as being the biggest threat (71.6%) and Japan as the second biggest (53.9%).[38]"


Inside the Ring: Report faults Pentagon's Asia rebalance - Washington Times


"The Obama administration is faulted in the report for failing to provide a single, agreed-upon definition of the U.S. rebalancing strategy. Administration officials questioned by a CSIS panel of experts found “confusion” about the strategy and concern about implementation.

The study urged expanding the military presence in Asia to ease fears among states in Asia about U.S. force posture, especially in Northeast Asia."


“The Chinese People’s Liberation Army’s anti-access/area denial capabilities that many once viewed as Taiwan-specific are rapidly expanding to the Second Island Chain and beyond, affecting not only an increasing number of U.S. allies and partners, but also U.S. territories such as Guam,” the report said.

China’s island-chain strategy calls for expanding power and influence farther from Chinese shores through two island chains stretching from Japan through Southeast Asia.

China has been rapidly building up its forces designed to push the U.S. military out of Asia. The buildup includes new submarines, warships, anti-ship missiles, and cyberwarfare and space warfare weapons."

“We recommend institutionalizing a culture of experimentation; encouraging rapid platform evolution; developing advanced long-range missiles; funding innovative missile defense concepts; fielding additional air combat systems; exploiting the U.S. undersea advantage; and augmenting space, cyber, and electronic warfare capabilities,” the report said.

Surely you aren't going to attempt to discredit the Pentagon or Japan's Cabinet Office now too? Look, I get it. You don't think there's a serious problem and you don't think there's anything we can do but appease and accommodate. That explains why you also don't see how Obama's appeasing posture affects the rate and level of Chinese aggression. It's not the only factor, but it's a big fat one. We'll just have to agree to disagree. It's my opinion and that of many, many other more qualified individuals than myself that China is a current and escalating threat to the territory, stability, and long term security of American allies in the region, and that we can effectively counteract and oppose those threats without firing a shot. And, no, I'm not in favor of the Trump China tariff war.
No, you don't get it. Even though I've stated it over and over. I think there is a serious problem AND I think we're more limited than we've been in the past in the ways we can counter China's moves. As I've said at least a half a dozen times at this point, China is a problem. The place we disagree is that I'm not comfortable just summing things up as "Obama is weak" and assuming stopping China is a simple task.


As for all your quotes, I'm not really sure what either of those bring to the table, why you think I'd want or try to "discredit" them, or why even used them, really. The report about the Japanese is just a poll on who Japan feels "most militarily threatened by." There aren't exactly a lot of choices to pick from there for the Japanese. All it shows is that the Japanese are mindful of China's growing aggression. I wouldn't expect any other answer from the average Japanese person. That doesn't mean that the pissing match in the Senkakus is the huge power play you claimed earlier when you weren't even sure where the islands were in the first place.


The other article doesn't say anything that isn't obvious: that what we're doing isn't stopping China and we need to do better. It finds fault with the administration's approach, but it's a far cry from the oversimplified "OBAMER'S WEAK" argument you've been positing. FTR, I've never claimed that Obama isn't at fault to some degree. Just that it's ignorant to summarize the problem as "Obama is weak" like you did. Also convenient of you to leave out the part of the article that point to the technological advances of the Chinese millitary and unrest in the Middle East as factors in the increase of Chinese aggression.


Really all the those articles brought to the table is that you have a functional ability to google, copy, and paste. It's relevant to the topic in general, but doesn't really add much to the discussion at hand.
 
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Really? Ugh! It absolutely demonstrated two points I was trying to make all along. One, China is acting extra aggressive on a higher level than before and the Japanese public opinion polls reflect that obvious observation as the polls in 2000 showed no one felt threatened by China and now they do big time. That's Japan, who according to multiple sources is indeed at risk as well as Taiwan, the Philippines,etc. And two, that someone besides me has rational explanations as to why and how Obama's style affects China's willingness to take it so far. I've also said myself that it's not all his fault, but yes, it is partly his fault. Weak American leadership always leads to more aggressive menace nations. At this point we're pretty close to agreement on most of it minus the dirty details. Let me close by saying I never was stuck on the Senkuku islands. You actually brought them up after I made a blanket statement on Obama's speech in Japan and how he should have promised to bolster Japanese defense or countermeasures against China's bully, territory seizing campaign. You baited me into the Senkuku island thing. I even said forget those if you will and look in the South China Sea where China's actions have been much more of a controversy. I think we've come full circle on this one at this point. Let's just shake hands metaphorically speaking and move on.
 
You can't be serious.

Ali was widely regarded as a global humanitarian and a recognized UN Goodwill Ambassador.

Draft dodger. That's why he changed his name and religion, and why many military personnel don't like him. When it came time to defend his country, he was MIA
 
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