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The land,sea,and air that China has seized is critical to economic and military activity in the region. It matters a lot. A whole lot. Do you realize President Obama had to alter the normal flight route to Vietnam to avoid certain international air space that the Chinese military has illegally seized ? You may not think any of that matters but I'm telling you there's a very serious problem looming with China. A new cold war has begun.

You're all over the place on this one, dude. You said we should protect Japan from having their territory seized. I pointed out that the only place there is any chance of that happening is a couple of rocks near Taiwan that basically has been a pissing match between the two countries for the par 40-50 years and you respond with air space and Vietnam?


Stay on topic, dude. Of course the situation with China is serious and they've been toeing the line to see how much they can get away with. But we were talking about Japan. And Japan is not in danger of having any of their land seized by China. That would start World War 3 and China wants the west to keep buying their stuff. World War 3 would be bad for their business.

The visit to Hiroshima went off smoothly, btw. Since that was the topic of conversation to begin with.
 
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You're all over the place on this one, dude. You said we should protect Japan from having their territory seized. I pointed out that the only place there is any chance of that happening is a couple of rocks near Taiwan that basically has been a pissing match between the two countries for the par 40-50 years and you respond with air space and Vietnam?


Stay on topic, dude. Of course the situation with China is serious and they've been toeing the line to see how much they can get away with. But we were talking about Japan. And Japan is not in danger of having any of their land seized by China. That would start World War 3 and China wants the west to keep buying their stuff. World War 3 would be bad for their business.

The visit to Hiroshima went off smoothly, btw. Since that was the topic of conversation to begin with.

Smoothly, unless you are conservative news talk in the States. Obama once again being vilified as unAmerican. Why, I don't know.
 
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Looking at getting my dad a smoker for Fathers Day, other than a big green egg does anyone have any suggestions?
 
That's what I was afraid of. He already has a very nice grill so anything I get him would probably just be used exclusively as a smoker

If you get him a BGE, that grill will become a thing of the past. He will sell it.
 
That's what I was afraid of. He already has a very nice grill so anything I get him would probably just be used exclusively as a smoker

If he wants to keep his existing grill and wants a smoker, electric Masterbilt. Depends on the normal volume he cooks whether to get the 30" or 40". I use a lot in large quantities, so I went 40" with the window, which was dumb since it stays sooted over to where you cannot see inside. So simple to use and has a meat probe - all electronic. You get hours of smoke from a very small amount of wood chips. One of those set it up and go mow the lawn or play golf deals. You don't get the bark you get with charcoal, but you can always take it out and put it on the grill for a little while to get that if you want it. The meat cooks and smokes very nicely.
 
You're all over the place on this one, dude. You said we should protect Japan from having their territory seized. I pointed out that the only place there is any chance of that happening is a couple of rocks near Taiwan that basically has been a pissing match between the two countries for the par 40-50 years and you respond with air space and Vietnam?


Stay on topic, dude. Of course the situation with China is serious and they've been toeing the line to see how much they can get away with. But we were talking about Japan. And Japan is not in danger of having any of their land seized by China. That would start World War 3 and China wants the west to keep buying their stuff. World War 3 would be bad for their business.

The visit to Hiroshima went off smoothly, btw. Since that was the topic of conversation to begin with.
No. I'm sorry but you don't get it. What Obama said was in fact a brake in protocol and you have no understanding of what's really going on. He basically denounced dropping the bombs and equated the dead of the evil Axis and the Allies. It might not matter to you but I guarantee you it matters to a lot of WwII vets. Now, those little rocks belonged to someone else. China is seizing them. That's invasion. Those rocks are strategic to controlling the region. They are gaining the ability to blockade the South China Sea. This is a major play. It's like Russia after WwII building up towards the next world war. China's desire to do business now has no connection to its desire to expand its empire over the entire region against international law. This is not normal. Building man made sandbar island landing strips in international waters is not normal. If we don't start to counter their aggression trouble will come and no one will be in position to stop it. Japan is but one country in the region who is threatened by the Chinese expansion.
 
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Happy Memorial day. May we always remember those who died so that we may live. And contrary to President Obama and the two of y'all in here that think he's trip went great, that does not include the Imperial Japanese, Nazis, and fascist Italy.
 
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No. I'm sorry but you don't get it. What Obama said was in fact a brake in protocol and you have no understanding of what's really going on. He basically denounced dropping the bombs and equated the dead of the evil Axis and the Allies. It might not matter to you but I guarantee you it matters to a lot of WwII vets.

1. I think you're understanding of this whole issue is limited, at best. That's ok. It's a multilayered issue and the simplifications the media gives actually serve to muddy the issues. You have to look into things more deeply.

2. Did you hear or read Obama's speech? Based on your response I'm guessing that you didn't or you had trouble comprehending it. Here's a link of the transcript (I also recommend dictionary.com for any words that are too long or may give you trouble).

Text of President Obama’s Speech in Hiroshima, Japan - NYTimes.com



Nowhere was there a denunciation of dropping the bombs. There was a vague denunciation of war in general, but that's par for the course whenever a head of state visits war memorials of one sort or another. I guess you could technically say he equated the losses of the axis and the allies in a sense, but that would show a shallow grasp of the point that was being made: that innocents are the ones who suffer most in war and that man's folly led to unspeakable suffering across the entire world during that time. He equated the dead in the sense that, well, people are people wherever you go and that people suffered on all sides throughout the war. I'm not sure what's so controversial about that.

3. I'll let the WWII vets speak for themselves, thank you very much. I made a point of asking my grandfather, a WWII vet who lost brothers and friends during the war what he thought of the speech. His response was basically "I don't like Obama, but I don't have a problem with it." The only part of it that rubbed him the wrong way was that he felt the reference towards a future without nuclear weapons was a little heavy handed. Overall, there wasn't much notable about the speech one way or another.


Now, those little rocks belonged to someone else. China is seizing them. That's invasion. Those rocks are strategic to controlling the region. They are gaining the ability to blockade the South China Sea. This is a major play.

You're just wrong about this. First of all, the Senkaku islands aren't in the South China Sea. Second of all, China hasn't and isn't seizing the Senkaku islands. Heck, Japan has nothing to do with them other than liking to throw the fact that they legally own them in China's face every once in a while. The islands are actually administered and overseen by Taiwan (the closest place with the best geographical claim to the islands) with Japan's blessing. The closest China has come to seizing the Senkaku islands was a few years back when some Chinese sentiment against Japan was being riled up to distract from ongoing corruption charges to party officials and a rag-tag group of pissed off fishermen sailed some of their boats around the island a little bit before the Chinese government had to issue strong warnings for them to go home.

You don't realize that disputes like this over useless rocks in the pacific are fairly common, do you? Japan and South Korea have a similar dispute. China and South Korea have one. Taiwan is involved with a few of their own. East and Southeast Asian countries have had pissing matches like these for centuries.

It's like Russia after WwII building up towards the next world war. China's desire to do business now has no connection to its desire to expand its empire over the entire region against international law. This is not normal. Building man made sandbar island landing strips in international waters is not normal. If we don't start to counter their aggression trouble will come and no one will be in position to stop it. Japan is but one country in the region who is threatened by the Chinese expansion.

China's toeing of the line is a problem and I've never suggested otherwise. But getting the Senkaku Islands dispute confused with other, much more heavy handed moves they've taken recently shows a poor understanding of the geopolitics of the area. Suggesting that Japan is under threat of having territory seized because of a hundreds of years old pissing match about those islands isn't a fair or accurate representation of the situation. You can keep arguing until you're blue in the face, but it's just not true.

China's actions in the dispute have been nothing but verbal condemnations and angry looks. They know if they ever made any overt action to seize the islands, it would lead to world war 3. It's not worth it for them when there are other more valuable places they can exert their power without having to worry about triggering a multinational conflict.
 
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If he wants to keep his existing grill and wants a smoker, electric Masterbilt. Depends on the normal volume he cooks whether to get the 30" or 40". I use a lot in large quantities, so I went 40" with the window, which was dumb since it stays sooted over to where you cannot see inside. So simple to use and has a meat probe - all electronic. You get hours of smoke from a very small amount of wood chips. One of those set it up and go mow the lawn or play golf deals. You don't get the bark you get with charcoal, but you can always take it out and put it on the grill for a little while to get that if you want it. The meat cooks and smokes very nicely.

I've got the Master built 40 as well. I didn't like the lack of bark either but I've found if you leave the vent 100% open, the bark isn't bad at all.
 
I've got the Master built 40 as well. I didn't like the lack of bark either but I've found if you leave the vent 100% open, the bark isn't bad at all.

Thanks - will give that a shot. I've been keeping it as closed as possible.

This last batch of ribs was really, really good the second day after reheating in the oven. Was trying the Jack Daniels rub and didn't know how much to use. It lacked some salt and pepper. I usually mix up my own.
 
Sis threw 225 up 31 times. Mom ran a laser timed 4.3 in jellies and capri pants. These ladies are the real thing. Mr. Gibbs needs to commit or he will lose his spot.

My grandma could do that, of course she's 6'3 250, and runs a 4.5 40.
 
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1. I think you're understanding of this whole issue is limited, at best. That's ok. It's a multilayered issue and the simplifications the media gives actually serve to muddy the issues. You have to look into things more deeply.

2. Did you hear or read Obama's speech? Based on your response I'm guessing that you didn't or you had trouble comprehending it. Here's a link of the transcript (I also recommend dictionary.com for any words that are too long or may give you trouble).

Text of President Obama’s Speech in Hiroshima, Japan - NYTimes.com



Nowhere was there a denunciation of dropping the bombs. There was a vague denunciation of war in general, but that's par for the course whenever a head of state visits war memorials of one sort or another. I guess you could technically say he equated the losses of the axis and the allies in a sense, but that would show a shallow grasp of the point that was being made: that innocents are the ones who suffer most in war and that man's folly led to unspeakable suffering across the entire world during that time. He equated the dead in the sense that, well, people are people wherever you go and that people suffered on all sides throughout the war. I'm not sure what's so controversial about that.

3. I'll let the WWII vets speak for themselves, thank you very much. I made a point of asking my grandfather, a WWII vet who lost brothers and friends during the war what he thought of the speech. His response was basically "I don't like Obama, but I don't have a problem with it." The only part of it that rubbed him the wrong way was that he felt the reference towards a future without nuclear weapons was a little heavy handed. Overall, there wasn't much notable about the speech one way or another.




You're just wrong about this. First of all, the Senkaku islands aren't in the South China Sea. Second of all, China hasn't and isn't seizing the Senkaku islands. Heck, Japan has nothing to do with them other than liking to throw the fact that they legally own them in China's face every once in a while. The islands are actually administered and overseen by Taiwan (the closest place with the best geographical claim to the islands) with Japan's blessing. The closest China has come to seizing the Senkaku islands was a few years back when some Chinese sentiment against Japan was being riled up to distract from ongoing corruption charges to party officials and a rag-tag group of pissed off fishermen sailed some of their boats around the island a little bit before the Chinese government had to issue strong warnings for them to go home.

You don't realize that disputes like this over useless rocks in the pacific are fairly common, do you? Japan and South Korea have a similar dispute. China and South Korea have one. Taiwan is involved with a few of their own. East and Southeast Asian countries have had pissing matches like these for centuries.



China's toeing of the line is a problem and I've never suggested otherwise. But getting the Senkaku Islands dispute confused with other, much more heavy handed moves they've taken recently shows a poor understanding of the geopolitics of the area. Suggesting that Japan is under threat of having territory seized because of a hundreds of years old pissing match about those islands isn't a fair or accurate representation of the situation. You can keep arguing until you're blue in the face, but it's just not true.

China's actions in the dispute have been nothing but verbal condemnations and angry looks. They know if they ever made any overt action to seize the islands, it would lead to world war 3. It's not worth it for them when there are other more valuable places they can exert their power without having to worry about triggering a multinational conflict.


Okay. Forget the Senkaku rock islands you've been stuck on. When I said China was a threat to Japanese territory I didn't specifically mean those islands only. If it's your big objection that that specific island dispute isn't a part of China's bully campaign then you can have that one. The real intrusion is voluminous and multi-faceted including air space and water control, and it's not uniquely threatening to Japan. What about the Spratly Islands and those new man made military landing strips, sub terminals, and boat ports that China says is for fisherman but will not allow anyone near? Is that normal? I don't recall that being a problem before. China has ramped up it's regional aggression over Obama's presidency on a level that is not common or normal. You've said yourself that there is a looming threat. That was my original point. We have to call them out for this stuff. The Red Chinese are on the move. Taiwan looks over and sees Russia seize Crimea without any real resistance and then looks over and sees China acting extra pushy and they're getting nervous. The Philippines have voiced concern as well. Heck a Chinese plane did a simulated attack dive on our ship and came within 50 feet of the deck. It's not just your normal posturing. They sense weakness in our command and they are exploiting it to bully the entire region. This is not normal:
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Forbes Welcome

China Has Slowly Been Eating Away At India - Business Insider

Vietnam seizes 'disguised Chinese fishing boat' as tensions rise in South China Sea

China Seizing Territory In South China Sea - American Response Is "Woefully Inadequate" - John Bolton | RickWells.US

http://www.abc.net.au/news/2016-03-02/china-blocking-access-to-disputed-atoll-philippines-official/7215484

http://www.worldaffairsjournal.org/article/conflicting-claims-china-japan-taiwan-edge

http://nationalinterest.org/feature/chinas-growing-surface-air-missile-threat-15493

http://www.stripes.com/news/dod-china-s-military-buildup-in-pacific-could-require-a-us-response-1.396322



And my personal favorite:

http://www.brookings.edu/research/opinions/2015/04/27-china-russia-us-revisionism



Now, as to Obama's speech, I did indeed listen to and read it. To an innocent person it may very well sound quite nice and appropriate, but there was an underlying theme. The theme was that the atomic bombs are an unequaled evil, America's involvement in WWII was mostly a power grab not unlike the boiled down motives of Imperial Japan and hence shares culpability for horrors of the war equally, and that America should destroy it's nuclear arsenal to promote world peace. Let's also ask ourselves why near our Memorial Day Pres. Obama chooses to go to Hiroshima and talk about the atom bomb and it's dead(the enemy) rather than go to Normandy, Pearl Harbor, or even Gettysburg like a normal President. Just like China's recent aggression President Obama has a semi-veiled agenda. He has a blame America first, Frank Marshall Davis, Saul Alinsky , Bill Ayers type mindset and it infects everything he does. I hope Trump kicks him right in the keester out the door of the White House. At least he loves America and western civilization in general.
 
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Okay. Forget the Senkaku rock islands you've been stuck on. When I said China was a threat to Japanese territory I didn't specifically mean those islands only. If it's your big objection that that specific island dispute isn't a part of China's bully campaign then you can have that one. The real intrusion is voluminous and multi-faceted including air space and water control, and it's not uniquely threatening to Japan. What about the Spratly Islands and those new man made military landing strips, sub terminals, and boat ports that China says is for fisherman but will not allow anyone near? Is that normal? I don't recall that being a problem before. China has ramped up it's regional aggression over Obama's presidency on a level that is not common or normal. You've said yourself that there is a looming threat. That was my original point. We have to call them out for this stuff. The Red Chinese are on the move. Taiwan looks over and sees Russia seize Crimea without any real resistance and then looks over and sees China acting extra pushy and they're getting nervous. The Philippines have voiced concern as well. Heck a Chinese plane did a simulated attack dive on our ship and came within 50 feet of the deck. It's not just your normal posturing. They sense weakness in our command and they are exploiting it to bully the entire region. This is not normal:
f-philchina-a-20150426-870x374.jpg


Forbes Welcome

China Has Slowly Been Eating Away At India - Business Insider

Vietnam seizes 'disguised Chinese fishing boat' as tensions rise in South China Sea

China Seizing Territory In South China Sea - American Response Is "Woefully Inadequate" - John Bolton | RickWells.US

South China Sea: Chinese ships blocking access to disputed atoll, Philippine officials say - ABC News (Australian Broadcasting Corporation)

http://www.worldaffairsjournal.org/article/conflicting-claims-china-japan-taiwan-edge

http://nationalinterest.org/feature/chinas-growing-surface-air-missile-threat-15493

http://www.stripes.com/news/dod-china-s-military-buildup-in-pacific-could-require-a-us-response-1.396322



And my personal favorite:

http://www.brookings.edu/research/opinions/2015/04/27-china-russia-us-revisionism



Now, as to Obama's speech, I did indeed listen to and read it. To an innocent person it may very well sound quite nice and appropriate, but there was an underlying theme. The theme was that the atomic bombs are an unequaled evil, America's involvement in WWII was mostly a power grab not unlike the boiled down motives of Imperial Japan and hence shares culpability for horrors of the war equally, and that America should destroy it's nuclear arsenal to promote world peace. Let's also ask ourselves why near our Memorial Day Pres. Obama chooses to go to Hiroshima and talk about the atom bomb and it's dead(the enemy) rather than go to Normandy, Pearl Harbor, or even Gettysburg like a normal President. Just like China's recent aggression President Obama has a semi-veiled agenda. He has a blame America first, Frank Marshall Davis, Saul Alinsky , Bill Ayers type mindset and it infects everything he does. I hope Trump kicks him right in the keester out the door of the White House. At least he loves America and western civilization in general.

1. I never argued that China's aggression is not a problem. You're still 100% wrong in your ignorant assertion that Japan is under threat of having territory seized. You're jumbling together issues because you don't understand east and southeast Asian geopolitics. You're out of your element here.

2. Can you give examples of quotes to back up your points? I think you're letting your bias blind you here. It was a pretty innocuous speech. The only thing that can or should be seen as problematic about it was his harping on deproliferation. But that's nothing new.

3. Why did he visit Hiroshima near Memorial Day? You don't keep up with current events very much, do you? He was already in Japan last week for the G7 summit, along with world leaders from Canada, Germany, France, the U.K., and other EU members. The summit was in Mie Prefecture, not far from Hiroshima. He made a stop by on Friday before heading back. On Memorial Day, he visited the tomb of the unknowns at Arlington.



I don't like Obama either. I'll be happy to see his presidency over. But you're letting your dislike and fear of him cloud your thoughts on this one.
 
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Also, it's complete conjecture to say that China's agression is due to them "seeing weakness in our command." First of all, China's regional aggression has been a running theme for the last 2-3 decades, if not longer. It's not like things were hunky dory in the east before Obama took over. Their growth in military aggression has followed the growth of their economic and military power along with the decline of economic and military power of other major players in Asia (namely, Russia).

I know it's easier to oversimplify things to make them fit neatly into your worldview, but it's really ignorant and arrogant to imply that you know the reasoning behind all of China's saber rattling. It's a much more complex issue than "Obama's a pansy and them chinamen can sense it :crazy:"
 
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