This is how you know Dobbs is ready for the season

#101
#101
Dobbs 4 Heisman said:
I already made a thread discussing this point. The only reason Dobbs passing on 3rd down is better than it is on 1st and 2nd down is because we throw it more on 3rd down.

Dobbs is a rhythm passer like most QBs and needs a few passes to get in rhythm. We rarely pass on first down. Thus on the rare times we do pass, we have less success.

Just look up Dobbs most prolific passing games. Their usually the games we trail by multiple TDs (South Carolina 2014 and Georgia 2015) and we need to throw our way back into those games.

Josh has shown he can win games for us through the air when we let him. The problem is Butch Jones only lets Dobbs free when he has no choice (see the Georgia and South Carolina games).
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The problem with this argument is that 2/4 games we
Threw the ball the most in 2015 (Arkansas and OU) were Dobbs' two worst passing performances of the season.
 
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TNnative said:
Yeah, but the problem is when we go deep, the wide outs have either gotten off their route, or the pass had sailed higher than they could reach it.

That is not criticism, it is merely the facts.

The only question is how many times until the season starts will this type of thread be started. Cause it sure feels like we have been down this road before.
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only fifty nine 'leven hunnert times ....
 
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Dobbs 4 Heisman said:
I already made a thread discussing this point. The only reason Dobbs passing on 3rd down is better than it is on 1st and 2nd down is because we throw it more on 3rd down.

Dobbs is a rhythm passer like most QBs and needs a few passes to get in rhythm. We rarely pass on first down. Thus on the rare times we do pass, we have less success.

Just look up Dobbs most prolific passing games. Their usually the games we trail by multiple TDs (South Carolina 2014 and Georgia 2015) and we need to throw our way back into those games.

Josh has shown he can win games for us through the air when we let him. The problem is Butch Jones only lets Dobbs free when he has no choice (see the Georgia and South Carolina games).
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That's not how rhythm works. So throwing cold on third down he is better then throwing cold on first? Bad logic.
 
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k-town_king said:
You are a funny guy. Pointing out something that is happening is not being a warrior. It is just being honest. I have always said JG will start is an opinion. My other opinions have been right so I guess you can take it as a fact. Not psychic. I just can see talent and look at the big picture. You just have a very myopic viewpoint.
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Hot tip...when you say "will", you're not conveying OPINION. Along with your blowhard D4H'sque proclamations of being right...you were wrong about Torrance...that's a FACT! Can't think of anything you've proclaimed before anyone else come true...that's a FACT! You only present part facts and slant them to disparage one kid in favor of the other...that's MYOPIC. I call you on your tired jive racist victim act because it's always been wrong...white rednecks or black. As for your fake prognostications? you pretenders are just that...fake prophets. We all can point to a prediction or observation that turns out aces...all of us! The less self-deluded realize that if you throw a bunch of manure against the wall, some of it will stick. Welcome to real life...you're not special...you type real good on a message board. :crazy:
 
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volfanhill said:
That's not how rhythm works. So throwing cold on third down he is better then throwing cold on first? Bad logic.
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Lol, well there's that.
His "rhythm" is inconsistent. Sometimes he has a great 1st qtr, terrible second and good 3rd and fourth.
Sometimes it's the 3rd qtr. Sometimes it's 2 different half quarters ... and so on.
There is no "rhythm" or rhyme or reason.
The worst part? Dobbs himself will admit the things he needs to work on. It's almost unsettling that when someone here points it out, a couple of posters lose their minds.
Heck, I bet even Dobbs would feel a little mmm... uncomfortable if he read the over-adoration he receives on occasion by certain individuals.
Ever see the movie Fatal Attraction?
 
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#108
My 7 year old daughter was playing with a football after school last week so I guess she's ready to go
 
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#109
Overlooked post in this thread by someone pointing out that when dobbs misses, it's often very badly. An "airball" so to speak, vs. Just a standard brick. That is very true.

I love Dobbs
Glad we have him. His not the best passer in the sec. Probably not the best passer on our team...but he's a dang good qb. Seems to be an 3ven better person. If he can be slightly above average this season throwing the ball we can win our division. If he is great, we can win it all. H3 does seem to miss badly when he misses, not bad a foot or 2 but sometimes by 5 yards...on a screen pass. Or 5 yards too deep on a post route. That makes his misses really stand out. Good observation by 2hoever noticed that.

GO VFL HUBANegavols
 
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#110
The good news about all of this is that he's a senior and he's smart, so he'll likely take a step forward throwing it down the field and be a complete badass next fall.
 
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GAVol said:
The good news about all of this is that he's a senior and he's smart, so he'll likely take a step forward throwing it down the field and be a complete badass next fall.
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Seriously, we ALL hope you're right. Most of us are just objectively showing that it's a collective effort that needs improvement, including Dobbs' accuracy.
 
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Dobbs 4 Heisman said:
That's completely false but whatever.
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No. It simply isn't false. Even many of his completed passes forced receivers to twist, dive, or otherwise contort their bodies to make the play. Just look at the pass to J Smith that turned the UGA game. Dobbs was off target badly. Smith bailed him out with a great catch and run.

Dobbs is a smart guy. He's a great running QB. He's a great leader and "gamer". But his accuracy issues have not only held the O back but also contributed to the injuries UT has experienced at WR.
 
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#113
D4H,I applaud you for extolling Dobbs virtues. He is a great QB and student-athlete. He does suffer from inaccuracy at times though. There is hope. Does anyone remember Crompton? Under Clawson,he couldn't complete a 5 yard pass. He was the worst QB I had ever saw start for us. The next season under Kiffin,he was amazingly improved. Most all QBs improve in their senior campaign. Go Vols!!!
 
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GAVol said:
The good news about all of this is that he's a senior and he's smart, so he'll likely take a step forward throwing it down the field and be a complete badass next fall.
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Hoping so.
 
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VOL 4 Life 83 said:
No, I actually want Dobbs to succeed.

And why is it that you have NO OTHER ARGUMENT than 3rd down completion %??

I pointed out his YPA were ungodly low, yet you chose to ignore that statistic.
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No I don't.

I made a long and detailed argument (in the thread on 3rd down passing) with statistical evidence showing that the problem with the pass game is scheme not Dobbs accuracy. Our YPA and completion percentage is low because we rarely throw on 1st down (which is the easiest down to throw). Teams like Ole Miss do most of their damage passing the ball on first down. We instead run the ball nearly 70% of the time on first down. That is the problem.

Our offense is too predictable. If we mixed it up on 1st down and threw more when people didn't expect, we might get more big plays in the pass game.
 
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chargervol said:
No, you "focus" on the only stat he leads in because that kind of cherry picking is the only way to support your agenda.
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The way you guys talk, you would think it would be impossible for me to even cherry pick a passing stat Josh dominates.

And FYI 3rd down passing is probably the most important stat for a QB. 3rd downs are what determine winners and losers.
 
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Darth_Shiveman said:
The problem with this argument is that 2/4 games we
Threw the ball the most in 2015 (Arkansas and OU) were Dobbs' two worst passing performances of the season.
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Against Oklahoma, the incompletions were largely throw aways because of the relentless pressure by the Sooners defense. They blitzed nearly every play in the second half and DeBord failed the team by not adjusting.

And as was stated earlier, the Arkansas game had like 5 drops by wide receivers. Preston Williams also fumbled in the redzone. If his receivers helped him out any that game, we win easily.
 
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#123
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Dobbs 4 Heisman said:
No I don't. I made a long and detailed argument with statistical evidence showing that the problem with the pass game is scheme not Dobbs accuracy. Our YPA and completion percentage is low because we rarely throw on 1st down (which is the easiest down to throw). Teams like Ole Miss do most of their damage passing the ball on first down. We instead run the ball nearly 70% of the time on first down. That is the problem.

Our offense is too predictable. If we mixed it up on 1st down and threw more when people didn't expect, we might get more big plays in the pass game.
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Pretty sure someone (KB maybe?) discounted that by showing how many yards rushing we average on 1st down. So, why would we need to throw on first down? The down to throw on is second when you have 3-5 yards to go because it opens up your playbook more.

Not discounting that we need to throw more on 1st and 2nd down, but Dobbs is to blame for some of it, as well as OL, WR's, coaches, etc.

As I have said before. It's not JUST Dobbs, but you have to recognize that it's also not just everyone else
 
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GAVol said:
The good news about all of this is that he's a senior and he's smart, so he'll likely take a step forward throwing it down the field and be a complete badass next fall.
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Knowing the type of people here, I'll bet they'll still find something to complain about when he's completing 65% of his passes and throws for 3,000 yards next year.
 
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#125
Dobbs 4 Heisman said:
The way you guys talk, you would think it would be impossible for me to even cherry pick a passing stat Josh dominates.

And FYI 3rd down passing is probably the most important stat for a QB. 3rd downs are what determine winners and losers.
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No.

Scoreboard determines winners and losers.
 
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