This is how you know Dobbs is ready for the season

#27
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KBVol said:
I'll give you the "many throwaways due to pressure", especially early in the season. The "many drops" is wrong. I've asked a couple different posters to catalogue all the drops from last year and all I've got to date is one...... Malone's drop vs SCar. D4H gave me ball thrown high that should've caught vs BGSU and a ball he thought Malone might've caught vs OKla but it was tipped at the los....lol. I can think of a ball in the back of the endzone vs Georgia that was low and required Wolf to dive for (it was a good throw though), that he could've caught. Other than that, give me all the other drops throughout the season. Surely you can rattle off 10-15 off the top of your head since there were so many.
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Josh Smith had a couple early drops in the South Carolina game that the commentators talked about. Von Pearson dropped one on a big 3rd down versus Florida that Verne and Gary talked about.

There are many others. I just remember those cause I've been doing film study of those 2 games recently.
 
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KBVol said:
Yeah, and Brady and Manning not only completed 63%+ of their NFL career passes, but they were also very accurate throwing down the field. Josh was at times inaccurate throwing screens and 5 yard routes. Is he the worst ever? Of course not.....he just has much room for improvement
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Yes.

But a stat guy like yourself must appreciate the fact he led the SEC at converting first downs through the air when it was 3rd and medium to long (4-9 yards). And he was one of the best in the country at converting 3rd and medium to long.

You love stats so much but yet I never see you point out positive stats regarding Dobbs. Only the negative.

I wonder why?
 
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Dobbs 4 Heisman said:
Josh Smith had a couple early drops in the South Carolina game that the commentators talked about. Von Pearson dropped one on a big 3rd down versus Florida that Verne and Gary talked about.

There are many others. I just remember those cause I've been doing film study of those 2 games recently.
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No there aren't. There aren't many others. And so what are we up to now? About 6.....over the course of 13 games and 344 pass attempts? Laugh...the hell....out loud.
 
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Dobbs 4 Heisman said:
Yes.

But a stat guy like yourself must appreciate the fact he led the SEC at converting first downs through the air when it was 3rd and medium to long (4-9 yards). And he was one of the best in the country at converting 3rd and medium to long.

You love stats so much but yet I never see you point out positive stats regarding Dobbs. Only the negative.

I wonder why?
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Can't we all just agree Dobbs and the receivers have both made mistakes?
 
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k-town_king said:
The same as pretty much every other qb. You do know Brady and Manning mostly throw short passes right? We aren't the only team that does this.
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Yeah, but the problem is when we go deep, the wide outs have either gotten off their route, or the pass had sailed higher than they could reach it.

That is not criticism, it is merely the facts.

The only question is how many times until the season starts will this type of thread be started. Cause it sure feels like we have been down this road before.
 
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Berry4Heisman14 said:
Can't we all just agree Dobbs and the receivers have both made mistakes?
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Yes. Some of us can. The times free press would as well. The below is from an article describing last years ark game. Just one game, but symptomatic of the whole year. Dobbs had misfires, but the receivers had five dropped passes. I guess that would be five of the six kbvol attributes to them for the year?

"Quarterback Josh Dobbs wasn't helped by five dropped passes, including two on the penultimate possession, but he also misfired on a handful of throws. On Tennessee's first possession in the second half, he threw behind an open Josh Malone on second-and-9. The simple throw and catch would've given Tennessee a first down inside the Arkansas 15. Instead, the third-down pass was batted at the line and the Vols kicked a long field goal."

That is another problem that no one is talkimg about. We had quite a few batted passes as well.
 
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Dobbs 4 Heisman said:
Josh Smith had a couple early drops in the South Carolina game that the commentators talked about. Von Pearson dropped one on a big 3rd down versus Florida that Verne and Gary talked about.

There are many others. I just remember those cause I've been doing film study of those 2 games recently.
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Film study?
 
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KBVol said:
No there aren't. There aren't many others. And so what are we up to now? About 6.....over the course of 13 games and 344 pass attempts? Laugh...the hell....out loud.
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This. Drops don't seem to be the issue.
The receivers seem pretty reliable when they get a chance.

As KB has stated, coaching of receivers is very questionable, but drops don't seem inordinately high.
 
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KBVol said:
Yeah, and Brady and Manning not only completed 63%+ of their NFL career passes, but they were also very accurate throwing down the field. Josh was at times inaccurate throwing screens and 5 yard routes. Is he the worst ever? Of course not.....he just has much room for improvement
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You sure about that? Brady has been a horrible deep ball passer most of his career. He excels in the short to intermediate throws just like Manning.

Scout: Tom Brady Throws Worst Deep Ball In NFL But Is Best Under 15 Yards | New England Patriots | NESN.com

https://www.profootballfocus.com/qbs-in-focus-deep-passing-2/

The Mike Wallace Effect, Deep Ball Accuracy and Ryan Tannehill ? Pre Snap Reads

Brady has had a year or two where he did well on the deep ball. He and Manning are generally in the bottom half of the league when it comes to deep passing.


Most good qbs live off short to intermediate passes.
 
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k-town_king said:
The same as pretty much every other qb. You do know Brady and Manning mostly throw short passes right? We aren't the only team that does this.
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Look at the stats. If you throw a lot of short passes, you better have high accuracy. He doesn't.
 
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Catbone said:
Look at the stats. If you throw a lot of short passes, you better have high accuracy. He doesn't.
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What is high accuracy? 63%, 65%, 68%?

The top two NFL picks this year completed 64.5% in the PAC-12 and 62.5 in freakin FBS.

Take away the 4-5, at least, throw aways per game plus the several drops per game and Dobbs is easily at their numbers.

The All time NFL completion percentage record for career is 66% from the king of short throws Chad Pennington. Peyton is 65% and Brady 63%.
 
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Oh my goodness! Stop with the accuracy thing. Ugh. You guys are killing me! I have to say that I'd go into any game with Dobbs. Accuracy aside. The guy is smart. He's shown he can embarrass defenses with his legs and his running backs are remarkable. Accuracy? Really? He brings so much more than that. Frankly, that's the least of my worries as a fan. My greatest fear is that he'll get injured. If his wide receivers do their jobs and his line does its job, then he'll be fine. I'm excited to see him do his thing. This season is one of the most anticipated seasons we've had to look forward to as Vol fans. I say enjoy it and above all...Go Vols!
 
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Dobbs 4 Heisman said:
What QB isn't?

The way some of yall act, Dobbs might be the only QB in history to ever miss a throw.

Dobbs completed nearly 60% of his passes last year. Not great. But not bad either. He was also the #1 in the SEC at converting 3rd downs through the air. As well as one of the top 3rd down passing QBs in the country. And that is a FACT. Not some bs innuendo.
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Have to agree with you on this one D4H. Have any of you heard of this Brett Favre guy. He apparently missed a lot of throws too.
 
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k-town_king said:
What is high accuracy? 63%, 65%, 68%?

The top two NFL picks this year completed 64.5% in the PAC-12 and 62.5 in freakin FBS.

Take away the 4-5, at least, throw aways per game plus the several drops per game and Dobbs is easily at their numbers.

The All time NFL completion percentage record for career is 66% from the king of short throws Chad Pennington. Peyton is 65% and Brady 63%.
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so we can take away 4-5 throw aways plus drops for Goff too and get him in 70 percentile figures?
 
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vols 30 said:
It's always the WR's or the O-line fault but it's never Dobbs. While the Wr's have dropped some balls, the main reason the passing game suffers is the accuracy of Dobbs. Hard to get in a good rhythm, when many throws are 5 yards short of the target.

Let's hope he's improved.
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No QB is perfect. Why is it so hard for some people to comprehend that? I'm not defending D4H but when you look at great quarterbacks such as Peyton Manning, Tom Brady, Brett Favre, Big Ben, Joe Montana, Tim Tebow (Back in college), they've all thrown missed passes, interceptions, and they've all had bad games from time to time. Sure, Dobbs may not be the most accurate QB but he's good enough to carry this team. How many games would have we won last year without Dobbs? He's helped us win a lot of games. IMO, that's good enough for me. Not so much for you.
 
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k-town_king said:
You sure about that? Brady has been a horrible deep ball passer most of his career. He excels in the short to intermediate throws just like Manning.

Scout: Tom Brady Throws Worst Deep Ball In NFL But Is Best Under 15 Yards | New England Patriots | NESN.com

https://www.profootballfocus.com/qbs-in-focus-deep-passing-2/

The Mike Wallace Effect, Deep Ball Accuracy and Ryan Tannehill ? Pre Snap Reads

Brady has had a year or two where he did well on the deep ball. He and Manning are generally in the bottom half of the league when it comes to deep passing.


Most good qbs live off short to intermediate passes.
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Facts don't seem to matter to these guys.

I made a thread a few weeks ago detailing how Dobbs was the best 3rd down passer in the SEC and one of the best in the country and it moved no one.

Most of the folks here have just dug in on the position that Josh is not a good passer and never will be eventhough there is contradictory evidence.
 
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