9-1-16? (Vols' season opener moved to Thursday)

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bigdaddy said:
Yup, I can't imagine the TV viewership would increase over a noon game on Saturday. The only real reason I've seen is to avoid the possibility of the heat.
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Agree!

Moving a home game to Thurs is never a "great" idea BUT if there is a game to move, it's this one.
 
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sanddune50 said:
I'm just shocked so many people had their plans already made for this game. It's not a wedding.
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People make plans when traveling. I've had room and flight booked for UF for months. If you don't, there's a good chance you'll be settling for leftovers.
 
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Positive: Tennessee football starts two days sooner (kind of like Christmas coming two days sooner)
Negative: I will now be unable to attend (kind of like having my best Christmas present ganked from under my nose by Krampus)
Not sure how to feel about this one.
 
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GreveHaller said:
You're right. Lets see.......My son's high school football practice ends at 5:00pm on Thursday. That gives me 1.5 hrs to get to my seats I've already bought. Going from south Nashville to BNA on a Friday during rush hour....so we'll give that 30 minutes. Down to an hour. From TYS to campus to the seats before the game kicks off in game day traffic....45 minutes. Perfect - all I need is 15 minutes to get from Nashville to Knoxville. Just need a plane that goes 700 mph and I'm there. Since there's no vehicle that can take off or land in either location at that size, could you work on the flux capacitor, Professor? All we need is a few hours. No need to go back to 1983.
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Just need to rent you a Citation X. You'll be able to parachute into your seats as the T forms.
 
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ATC_VOL said:
Just need to rent you a Citation X. You'll be able to parachute into your seats as the T forms.
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awesome. Problem solved. Anyone want to split the cost with me? Got to get your own parachute but I'll split plane and gas cost. I have an Exxon card so you can pay me later
 
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knoxvol16 said:
First of all, I sincerely appreciate you posting. It's obvious that you are somehow connected to the program, so it's honestly enlightening to hear what went into the decision.

However, I take exception to some of your points by offering that the two biggest problems are problems that were apparently not addressed, or addressed without resolution (i.e. resolution will be left to fan "innovation"). These two problems are 1) work schedules, and 2) family logistics (nuclear and/or extended).

I would wager to guess that seat attendance (not TV viewing attendance) will be only slightly affected. What will probably happen is that a significant percentage (maybe 20–25% or so) of fans will attempt to sell their tickets because they simply don't have the freedoms to attend a Thursday home game. That will open up the opportunity for others who can attend to do so . . . but at the peril of the average season ticket holder.

Now, we all know that universities do studies/models of their "floating" season ticket renewals, and maybe the percentage of projected season ticket holders that will be negatively affected by this falls well within that category. However, it still leaves a bad taste in the mouth of the average fan, which is the very fan UT has been attempting to target by opening the no-donation and low-donation season ticket opportunities.

It will affect me and my family, and we've been donating for quite a while. At present 50% of my party are 95% certain they cannot attend. The other 50% (inclusive of me) are only 50% certain that they can attend. Moving the season opener to a Thursday has also moved much of the influence that impacts our ability to attend to that which is simply out of our control . . . and, therein lies the rub.
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I'm 87% sure that's a lot of freaking percentages. :blink:
 
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To expand on what I was talking about earlier, because I see it happening everywhere......this is what stuff like this is causing.

I'll use a round number and say tickets are $50.00 a game. 7 games = $350.00. The per seat booster contribution for this fictional season ticket holder is $1000 a seat. So, a season ticket package of 4 is $5,400.

With stuff like this happening and game times undecided until a week before kickoff, people are starting to do the math.

This same group of 4 can pay scalper prices for Florida and Alabama at $400 a ticket. That would equal $3,200. They have saved $2,200 and the sacrifice they have made is that they are not attending the Vandy and West Texas State games.

This does not include money saved on food, travel, hotel, etc.

Now, I am seeing a lot of people say things like.....if you want to go you can find a way to get there. For sake of argument, I'll accept that premise.

But, that's my point. People aren't willing to do that. They are not willing to pay for food, hotel, travel, etc, to see Appy State. Not anymore. At least, not the way they used to.

Now, I looked at the schedule for Tennessee on UT's website. No other game times have been announced the entire season. So, while people may know the day, they still have to go through this for Ohio, Tennessee Tech, Kentucky, and Missouri.

They don't know what plans they will need to make, how much it will cost, and if they can't make it.....they damn sure aren't recovering the approximately $200 they shelled out for the ticket when selling it to someone they know.....more than likely just actually giving it away.

And so, more and more people are coming to a conclusion that they are suckers for purchasing season tickets. And if they want to go the scalper route for big games, there is nothing that says they can't make the trip to Knoxville for the Tennessee Tech game. And they would be getting their tickets for the $5 a pop market value that they actually had, not what they were paying as season ticket holders.
 
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99gator said:
To expand on what I was talking about earlier, because I see it happening everywhere......this is what stuff like this is causing.

I'll use a round number and say tickets are $50.00 a game. 7 games = $350.00. The per seat booster contribution for this fictional season ticket holder is $1000 a seat. So, a season ticket package of 4 is $5,400.

With stuff like this happening and game times undecided until a week before kickoff, people are starting to do the math.

This same group of 4 can pay scalper prices for Florida and Alabama at $400 a ticket. That would equal $3,200. They have saved $2,200 and the sacrifice they have made is that they are not attending the Vandy and West Texas State games.

This does not include money saved on food, travel, hotel, etc.

Now, I am seeing a lot of people say things like.....if you want to go you can find a way to get there. For sake of argument, I'll accept that premise.

But, that's my point. People aren't willing to do that. They are not willing to pay for food, hotel, travel, etc, to see Appy State. Not anymore. At least, not the way they used to.

Now, I looked at the schedule for Tennessee on UT's website. No other game times have been announced the entire season. So, while people may know the day, they still have to go through this for Ohio, Tennessee Tech, Kentucky, and Missouri.

They don't know what plans they will need to make, how much it will cost, and if they can't make it.....they damn sure aren't recovering the approximately $200 they shelled out for the ticket when selling it to someone they know.....more than likely just actually giving it away.

And so, more and more people are coming to a conclusion that they are suckers for purchasing season tickets. And if they want to go the scalper route for big games, there is nothing that says they can't make the trip to Knoxville for the Tennessee Tech game. And they would be getting their tickets for the $5 a pop market value that they actually had, not what they were paying as season ticket holders.
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Well stated.

It's showing up in the form of empty seats at a lot of those games. Hell, you even see it a lot in the NFL. I'm a Titans fan and God knows they don't draw a packed house at an opposing teams stadium.

At some point, colleges and franchises will have to see there's still value in those cheap seats that go unfilled.

Right now, they're too busy serving their true masters: television packages and corporate/premium seat and suite buyers.
 
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Well I read this board last year when people complained that we moved a "home game" from Neyland to Nashville. It was terrible, just awful, the worst thing that could possibly happen. Why would our beloved Vols do such a thing. Never mind it made it a little easier for the Middle and West TN fans for once. Fans in the East side had to travel for once, it was awful. Now you have your home game but it is on Thursday. Goodness we are now a 2nd class program. We don't play on Thursday's. It is inconvenient because I have a job. As a fan base we are never happy. COME ON FOLKS , relax "IT'S FOOTBALL TIME IN TENNESSEE (almost)" ENJOY THIS SEASON, WE HAVE WAITED A LONG TIME TRAVELING THROUGH THE WILDERNESS FOR 10 YEARS 4 wHAT WE HAVE COMING THIS SEASON. GO BIG ORANGE, V4L beat APPY STATE.
 
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WallyBalls said:
Well stated.

It's showing up in the form of empty seats at a lot of those games. Hell, you even see it a lot in the NFL. I'm a Titans fan and God knows they don't draw a packed house at an opposing teams stadium.

At some point, colleges and franchises will have to see there's still value in those cheap seats that go unfilled.

Right now, they're too busy serving their true masters: television packages and corporate/premium seat and suite buyers.
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once the value of the consumables becomes more or it becomes a significant source of revenue then they will begin to worry about those empty seats. Otherwise it doesnt matter because the revenue was received even though no one sat there.

So what they consulted the hotels in the area. "Hey - we're thinking of moving the game to a Thursday so instead of it being dead in your hotel on Wednesday and Thursday it will be filled and then some since, you know, its a holiday weekend. What do you say? Sound good? Oh, and since you'll already not be filled what about allowing them to change their reservations? Yeah, I know its a win-win" Of course the hotels said ok.
 
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Neyland Law Vol said:
Why are they doing this?

Won't there be tons of people from Tri Cities, Chattanooga and Nashville that won't be able to come now because its during the week? Plus, normal people even in Knoxville have to work during the day and aren't going to want to go home after work then come to the stadium.

Someone didn't think this through.
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It will be sold out without a problem.
 
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Boca Vol said:
For those that live several hours away from Knox. with jobs, kids in school, etc. this sucks.

I can see why the game was moved, but it means a lot of people won't be able to attend. I recall the uproar a couple of years ago when UT opened on Sunday night. That caused a bit of a stir, but most people had Monday off (Labor Day).
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The kids in school thing could be an issue. But the work excuse is pretty lame. Does no one's company have sick days, vacation days, etc.? Again it's 3 and 1/3 months in advance to get your affairs in order if you really want to watch the Vols play Appy State. And what really amuses me is the camp complaining about the date change in one breath and saying it's only Appy State in another. If it's not that important of a game, why is everyone so worked up over this? Back to my original assessment, some people just enjoy being miserable.
 
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ALLVOL24/7/365 said:
Well I read this board last year when people complained that we moved a "home game" from Neyland to Nashville. It was terrible, just awful, the worst thing that could possibly happen. Why would our beloved Vols do such a thing. Never mind it made it a little easier for the Middle and West TN fans for once. Fans in the East side had to travel for once, it was awful. Now you have your home game but it is on Thursday. Goodness we are now a 2nd class program. We don't play on Thursday's. It is inconvenient because I have a job. As a fan base we are never happy. COME ON FOLKS , relax "IT'S FOOTBALL TIME IN TENNESSEE (almost)" ENJOY THIS SEASON, WE HAVE WAITED A LONG TIME TRAVELING THROUGH THE WILDERNESS FOR 10 YEARS 4 wHAT WE HAVE COMING THIS SEASON. GO BIG ORANGE, V4L beat APPY STATE.
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Didn't have a problem at all with the Bowling Green game. 2 and 1/2 hour drive. Went to the Titans vs Raiders game in sideways rain as well that year. Had a great time at both games. Would be in favor if Hart did this again. Especially if the city keeps hosing the university on that amusement tax bs. That's the main reason Hart started looking at alternate locations to open the season.
 
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this will be a tough one to tailgate at since the parking lots will still be occupied by school folks when many traditionally arrive for the tailgating festivities - looks like an evening at the concession stand
 
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sanddune50 said:
Didn't have a problem at all with the Bowling Green game. 2 and 1/2 hour drive. Went to the Titans vs Raiders game in sideways rain as well that year. Had a great time at both games. Would be in favor if Hart did this again. Especially if the city keeps hosing the university on that amusement tax bs. That's the main reason Hart started looking at alternate locations to open the season.
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BIG differences between the BG last year and the Appy St game this year

* BG game still on a Saturday, not on a Thursday. This is the huge issue with those of us that live far from Knoxville. Between school, work, kids, and High School football this is a huge problem.

* BG game was first announced being in Nashville then the tickets were sold. Big problem with the Appy St game since we did not have the choice. Knowing the game was on a Thurs would have made me consider not purchasing due to above problems.
 
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GreveHaller said:
* BG game still on a Saturday, not on a Thursday. This is the huge issue with those of us that live far from Knoxville. Between school, work, kids, and High School football this is a huge problem.
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This is by far the biggest issue. There would probably be less anger if if they'd moved the game to Memphis than there is about moving it to Thursday.
 
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sanddune50 said:
Didn't have a problem at all with the Bowling Green game. 2 and 1/2 hour drive. Went to the Titans vs Raiders game in sideways rain as well that year. Had a great time at both games. Would be in favor if Hart did this again. Especially if the city keeps hosing the university on that amusement tax bs. That's the main reason Hart started looking at alternate locations to open the season.
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The city is not "hosing the university"--the tax is paid by the ticket buyer. If anyone is getting hosed, it is the ticket buyer.
 
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LWSVOL said:
probably. not sure why that has anything to do with 1991
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My mistake. I misread your post and thought when you were talking about the Memphis and Ole Miss games, you were refering to the 1996 games. The Ole Miss game from that season had come up a few times earlier in the thread.

My bad.
 
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Really don't understand why this has to be so confrontational. For most people, it's not that big a deal. The stadium will still be full. But for many fans, it's a big problem, maybe even a dealbreaker. I don't know why it's so hard for the first group to just say "Wow, that sucks, hope you can work something out," rather than "Shut up and stop whining."
 
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DeerPark12 said:
Yes. The SEC is obligated to fill a minimum of two Thursday night slots on opening night, one on SEC Network and one on another ESPN network. Typically, Vandy and South Carolina fill these slots and its a done issue. But because of a series of other events, the league had to schedule them to play each other on opening night, leaving a spot to fill.
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Good to know. :hi:

Out of curiosity, what happened that pushed that specific game to the forefront of the schedule like that?
 
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