Gender Neutral Bathrooms: the backlash against urinary segregation at UT

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RobsPics said:
No it doesn't covey an expectation of privacy, because people using communal bathrooms already know there could be other people inside. There's no expectation of privacy when you enter a room knowing there could be people inside.
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This isn't rocket surgery.
Women and men have an expectation that the opposite sex will not be in there. Is that really so hard to understand?
So, there is absolutely an expectation of privacy.

Go into a men's room at Neyland and let there be a women hanging her fanny over the trough, and when law enforcement drags her ass out of there, you defend her in a court of law and see how you do.
Based on the sign on the door there is an expectation otherwisw there wouldn't be a sign. How hard can that be to understand?
 
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Roustabout said:
This isn't rocket surgery.
Women and men have an expectation that the opposite sex will not be in there. Is that really so hard to understand?
So, there is absolutely an expectation of privacy.
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An expectation of privacy is an expectation that NO ONE will be in the room. What you are advocating for is not an expectation of privacy. It's an expectation against a certain gender.

Roustabout said:
Go into a men's room at Neyland and let there be a women hanging her fanny over the trough, and when law enforcement drags her ass out of there, you defend her in a court of law and see how you do.
Based on the sign on the door there is an expectation otherwisw there wouldn't be a sign. How hard can that be to understand?
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Read above.
 
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gcbvol said:
This whole issue has been blown way out of proportion. It has devolved into a hyperbolic pissing contest (pun intended).

The truth is things were working just fine for most everyone before the first legislation in this mess. Most Trans folks were already using the restroom most comfortable for them without any issue. I've also observed women using men's rooms on several occasions when lines were too long. That flexibility is gone. Now, it seems the only options presented are completely restrictive or wide open. That's not reality. We actually broke something that was working and I'm afraid it's now too late to go back.
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I'm too old to piss hyperbolically, man when I was a kid though!
 
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RobsPics said:
That's only true if the government forced people to use a communal bathrooms. But in reality, no one use forced to use any communal bathroom. So if one VOLUNTARILY uses a communal bathroom, he or she is not being forced to accept any issue.



Same majority/minority argument could be made about racial segregation.
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1. Then your religious analogy doesn't hold water.

2. Yeeeeah, no. Effected proportions are way off. Been one of the issues with this piss poor analogy all along.
 
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82_VOL_83 said:
1. Then your religious analogy doesn't hold water.

2. Yeeeeah, no. Effected proportions are way off. Been one of the issues with this piss poor analogy all along.
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Yes it does, because even if people choose their religion, it does not necessarily follow that it is ok for the government to segregate them...like the NC government is segregating trannys.

2.
I never claimed the the "effected proportions" are similar. "Effected proportions" have nothing to do with Constitutional protections. For example, Westboro Baptist church is a tiny fraction of all religious groups...but they still have their 1st Amendment right.
 
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1972 Grad said:
Duke stock just cracked $80 a share, up 70 cents today. Plus, a 4% dividend. What's not to like?
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Means you'll also have to ditch it once the lawsuits start piling up. Couldn't happen to a better sociopath, in my superior opinion.
 
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volprof said:
This is the biggest non-issue this nation has faced in perhaps my entire lifetime. It's so ridiculous on so many levels. You have social conservatives who seem to think that there was some golden age of American public restroom patronage, when apparently police and/or security guards stood outside public restrooms all day monitoring who could go in or who couldn't, and no transwoman ever went into a female restroom. Most of them didn't even know this was a thing until some pandering Republican state numbskull somewhere decided it would be a nice pseudo-issue to reel in more votes. And then you have some liberals who can't process how some people might be made extremely uncomfortable by having to share locker rooms with someone who doesn't share their anatomy. That, however, is a distinct issue from the matter of the restrooms. As far as the restroom matter is concerned, this is just simple inanity. Let's stop wasting tax dollars debating about something that was never policed in the first place and can't be legislated out of existence even if you wanted.

Thinking you can legislate your way to trans-free public restrooms is like thinking you can legislate drug consumption among the public. It's just asinine and useless, and waste money.
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How can we fuss about this being the biggest waste of money when we give millions upon millions to countries who hate us, burn our flags, and kill every American they can? I'd rather spend it on extra toilets myself.
 
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1972 Grad said:
I'm a sociopath now?
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You're the one in here joking about profiting from people's lives.

What would you consider yourself, Mr. Humble?

From reading this and other posts of yours elsewhere, yes, you're sociopathic. Maybe not a "sociopath," but at least sociopathic. You only care about you and yours. The world begins and ends with your wallet. That's pretty much it. If you aren't in fact sociopathic, then you're far different in your day-to-day life than you are a VolNation poster.
 
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Which of these is the more accurate description of what's going on here:

1) There is rampant use of bathrooms by transgender, or gender misidentified people. It happens a lot. It is causing problems because such people are spying for thrills on members of what they identify as opposite sex. We need these laws to protect us from the numerous pervs who are doing this so often it is worth passing a law and suing the feds to make a point.

2) Some yahoo somewhere got as local municipality to adopt an ordinance on bathroom access for a non-existent problem. Seeing it as an opportunity to antagonize gay people whilst simultaneously working their own base up into a frenzy over this "HUGE" problem, the far right shriek machine went into overdrive, and said we need to pass a lot of laws at the state level to deal with this terrible problem.

Aaaaaaaannnddd, go!
 
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DO you guys REALLY think all these corporations around the country are so incensed at not allowing pervs to spy on you in the bathroom? Ooooooorrrr, do you think it is because they recognize the bill for what it really is, which is sticking the collective Republican Evangelical thumb in the eye of gay people?
 
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lawgator1 said:
DO you guys REALLY think all these corporations around the country are so incensed at not allowing pervs to spy on you in the bathroom? Ooooooorrrr, do you think it is because they recognize the bill for what it really is, which is sticking the collective Republican Evangelical thumb in the eye of gay people?
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Gay people = transgendered?

Lol.
 
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lawgator1 said:
DO you guys REALLY think all these corporations around the country are so incensed at not allowing pervs to spy on you in the bathroom? Ooooooorrrr, do you think it is because they recognize the bill for what it really is, which is sticking the collective Republican Evangelical thumb in the eye of gay people?
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Why do you continue to ignore the fact that there were NO problems in NC until the City of Charlotte made a problem?
 
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volprof said:
You're the one in here joking about profiting from people's lives.

What would you consider yourself, Mr. Humble?

From reading this and other posts of yours elsewhere, yes, you're sociopathic. Maybe not a "sociopath," but at least sociopathic. You only care about you and yours. The world begins and ends with your wallet. That's pretty much it. If you aren't in fact sociopathic, then you're far different in your day-to-day life than you are a VolNation poster.
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That's the libertarian mindset.
 
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hog88 said:
Why do you continue to ignore the fact that there were NO problems in NC until the City of Charlotte made a problem?
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Wasn't that Charlotte example largely a response to the so-called "religious liberty" (also known as "freedom to discriminate") bills sweeping the Midwest and South though?

This whole debate reminds me a lot of the "one man's terrorist is another man's freedom fighter" cliche. Basically, in this debate, one man's freedom is another man's discrimination, or woman's, or transgendered's, or whatever the preferred nomenclature.
 
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hog88 said:
Why do you continue to ignore the fact that there were NO problems in NC until the City of Charlotte made a problem?
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The NC government could have offered a compromise...remove the state law if the the city removes it's local law. But no, the state government decided to sue the Feds to protect it's NC law. Now it's on them.
 
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RobsPics said:
I didn't say male, female, trannys are exactly the same.



I acknowledge that there are differences between males/female/tranny. There are also differences between white, black, asian etc. Point is the Equal protection clause applies to ALL people in this country, regardless of racial or gender differences.
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and before the Charlotte law there was no problem with it. Trannies used whatever bathroom. Now the issue is in Charlotte that anyone can use any restroom. it has pretty much zero to do with trannies. There was no issue of equality because the trannies could use a bathroom just like the rest of us. now Charlotte wants to give special treatment to them above the males and females.
 
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