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#51
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KBVol said:
Agree.... TAM 55/45; Georgia 50/50; Bama 45/55; Florida 40/60 IMO.
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Giving the Vols the least chance to win against the weakest team on the list just because previous years or your own psychosis is what gives D4H so much amunition.

FWIW IMO
 
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EZE said:
Paper Tiger Sooners. How do you get that? They won their way to the Final Four just last season.
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I was mocking D4H who called Oklahoma a "paper tiger" last year due to their first round playoff loss to Clemson. I personally think they were one of the best teams in the country.
 
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MustafaRasta said:
Giving the Vols the least chance to win against the weakest team on the list just because previous years or your own psychosis is what gives D4H so much amunition.

FWIW IMO
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Not giving anybody anything other than my opinion. Florida will be an improved team this year coming off 10 win season with a new coaching staff, a train wreck OL, a freshman QB for half the season and no QB for the rest of it. If you think we're definitely gonna beat the Gators after 11 straight losses, then fine, no worries.....I'm not gonna say you have a mental disorder....just gonna respectfully disagree. As you surely know, I'm firmly in the pragmatic "I'll believe it when I see it" camp.
 
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KBVol said:
Not giving anybody anything other than my opinion. Florida will be an improved team this year coming off 10 win season with a new coaching staff, a train wreck OL, a freshman QB for half the season and no QB for the rest of it. If you think we're definitely gonna beat the Gators after 11 straight losses, then fine, no worries.....I'm not gonna say you have a mental disorder....just gonna respectfully disagree. As you surely know, I'm firmly in the pragmatic "I'll believe it when I see it" camp.
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Nothing pragmatic about that. It only makes sense if you think the last 11 years can't be explained. For nearly that entire run Florida has outrecruited us. They've had way better players. In fact 2014 and 2015 are arguably the only years we've outrecruited them in the last decade.

If we had outrecruited Florida for the last 11 years. If we consistently put more players in the NFL. And if we were consistently the favorite, BUT we kept losing, then it would be pragmatic to expect another L next year. But since that isn't the case in 2016, it's NOT pragmatic.

For the first time in forever we're the CLEAR favorite. Only other time in the last decade you could've said that was MAYBE last year. And it took an epic collapse and multiple 4th downs in the 4th quarter to beat us.

We will beat Florida in 2016.
 
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Dobbs 4 Heisman said:
Nothing pragmatic about that. It only makes sense if you think the last 11 years can't be explained. For nearly that entire run Florida has outrecruited us. They've had way better players. In fact 2014 and 2015 are arguably the only years we've outrecruited them in the last decade.

If we had outrecruited Florida for the last 11 years. If we consistently put more players in the NFL. And if we were consistently the favorite, BUT we kept losing, then it would be pragmatic to expect another L next year. But since that isn't the case in 2016, it's NOT pragmatic.

For the first time in forever we're the CLEAR favorite. Only other time in the last decade you could've said that was last year. And it took an epic collapse and multiple 4th downs in the 4th quarter to beat us.

We will beat Florida in 2016.
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You haven't been around long enough young man to fully understand and appreciate this series. It goes back far longer than the last 11 years, when I'm assuming you were likely still in grade school. 6-24 the last 30 times we've played....no Tennessee coach has a winning record vs Florida since Bill Battle in the early 1970s....feel free to go back that far and explain the abysmal record vs Florida dating back to 1976.....there's more to it than who has/had the better talent, whether you or anybody else wants to believe it or not.
 
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Talent has obviously played a big role in our bouts with Florida, but it goes beyond that. We've matched up well with them on numerous occassions only to wet the bed in epic fashion. From run of the mill choke jobs to flat out meltdowns on a rainy day where we couldn't hold on to the ball to save our lives , yet they had little issue with the rain. Just things like that makes me never assume a win against UF. It doesn't matter what the odds on paper look like. They have been in our heads since the 70s for the most part and it will take a good run of luck and sustained dominance on our part to change that.
 
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KBVol said:
Agree.... TAM 55/45; Georgia 50/50; Bama 45/55; Florida 40/60 IMO.
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You guys finally have what appears to be a somewhat manageable schedule. You'll after Oct 15 what kind of season you'll have. Those 4 UF, UGA, TA&M and Bama are like Amen Corner. Win 3 of those and your ticket to Atlanta's punched. Lose 2 and it could be an interesting race. I think the UGA/TN game is the most pivotal game in the East. I personally think it'll be a slobber-knocker. Y'all might think this is crazy, but USCe after Amen Corner could be a trap game. With no key injuries you should be okay. But as we saw last season, key injuries happen. I think this is the season that UT and the CFB world find out what kind of HC Butch Jones is.
 
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Hopefully we beat them this year because reading these posts of VOL fans perpetuating this "curse" and how we'll never beat them is just as bad as reading a gator forum. Be a fan, cheer your team on, and try and do it with some modicum of optimism.
 
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I don't think we should be ranked 7th, let alone top 10 until we prove we can beat the big boys. Or even Florida for that matter. Pretty sad we could go into that game ranked in the Top 10 and they barely in the top 25 and our butts will still be tight.
 
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Coug said:
Hopefully we beat them this year because reading these posts of VOL fans perpetuating this "curse" and how we'll never beat them is just as bad as reading a gator forum. Be a fan, cheer your team on, and try and do it with some modicum of optimism.
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Oh I think we have as good a chance as we've ever had to stomp them bad this year. I'll cheer like crazy and feel good about our chances , but people penciling a win against them like it's an after thought are setting themselves up for a hard fall if things play out as usual.
 
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KBVol said:
Not giving anybody anything other than my opinion. Florida will be an improved team this year coming off 10 win season with a new coaching staff, a train wreck OL, a freshman QB for half the season and no QB for the rest of it. If you think we're definitely gonna beat the Gators after 11 straight losses, then fine, no worries.....I'm not gonna say you have a mental disorder....just gonna respectfully disagree. As you surely know, I'm firmly in the pragmatic "I'll believe it when I see it" camp.
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Talking about 11 years ago again.

If you think that Florida is the best of the 4 you mentioned than say that. Talking about 11 years in a row or Bill Battle as a reason for losing , well that's a hang up you have.

Hindsight being 20/20 I would have used "hang up" the first time instead of "psychosis".
 
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Coug said:
Hopefully we beat them this year because reading these posts of VOL fans perpetuating this "curse" and how we'll never beat them is just as bad as reading a gator forum. Be a fan, cheer your team on, and try and do it with some modicum of optimism.
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I've not seen anybody discuss a "curse" as the reason we lose to Florida every year.
 
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MustafaRasta said:
Talking about 11 years ago again.

If you think that Florida is the best of the 4 you mentioned than say that. Talking about 11 years in a row or Bill Battle as a reason for losing , well that's a hang up you have.

Hindsight being 20/20 I would have used "hang up" the first time instead of "psychosis".
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Didn't say anything about "Bill Battle as a reason for losing"....pointed out that every Tennessee coach since Bill Battle (who was 2-1 vs the Gators) has had a losing record vs them. Majors was 1-5, Fulmer was 5-12, Kiffin 0-1, Dooley 0-3, and Butch is 0-3.

I suppose it's my "hang up", but it's also fact that of all the teams we play, Florida is the one that we lose to the most consistently, by far, no matter the circumstances, coaches, players, etc. So, the incredulity that many have at the idea/prediction that Florida will likely beat Tennessee again this year, despite the "circumstances" of this year's coming game is silly to me. I hope Tennessee wins, I'll pull like hell for them to win....but given the train wreck that this series has been for Tennessee for lo these last 40 years, I just don't expect them to win. Call it what you will.
 
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KBVol said:
You haven't been around long enough young man to fully understand and appreciate this series. It goes back far longer than the last 11 years, when I'm assuming you were likely still in grade school. 6-24 the last 30 times we've played....no Tennessee coach has a winning record vs Florida since Bill Battle in the early 1970s....feel free to go back that far and explain the abysmal record vs Florida dating back to 1976.....there's more to it than who has/had the better talent, whether you or anybody else wants to believe it or not.
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So, it's voodoo? Is that the definition of 'pragmatic'?
 
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codymcvfl said:
I don't think we should be ranked 7th, let alone top 10 until we prove we can beat the big boys. Or even Florida for that matter. Pretty sad we could go into that game ranked in the Top 10 and they barely in the top 25 and our butts will still be tight.
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But then it wouldn't be a *preseason* ranking, would it? These things are usually based on *projected* talent and schedule, etc, so... You'd just as soon they not have preseason rankings? Or just use different criteria for UT than they use for everyone else?
 
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KBVol said:
I've not seen anybody discuss a "curse" as the reason we lose to Florida every year.
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I'd be interested in a clarification.

I'm struggling to see how games/players/coaches/schemes/storms/rain/fumbles from the past 25 years have so much to do with this year's UT/UF game.

Either you think it's supernatural, or you think that this team and staff are as mentally bruised as some in our fanbase.

How is basing future outcomes on plays/players/coaches/schemes/rain/storms/fumbles from 25 years ago 'pragmatic'?
 
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True story:

I had this month where I lost a bunch of money playing online poker( I play quite a bit and have for about 6 years now) 7 months ago. Usually I make about 100 bucks a month on the average, some months dip some the profit is a bit higher.

Last August I dipped about 700 dollars though. So I went through my hand history and noticed some huge losses on hands where I was not only the statistacal favorite but I was so by a huge percentage. In fact, 3 times in that 30 day span I lost pocket aces to a lower pocket pair going all in pre flop. Once to K's Once to Jack's and once to pocket 4 ffs...

I also Lost a 120 dollar pot going all in on the flop to rainbow of 6,2 9 while I had pocket K's and that lovely human being had 10's.

So I learned my lesson. I learned to never bet aces and never go all in when you know you have the best hand because you might get burned.

I also learned that pocket aces are cursed if you play them in the month of August and because I lost so many hands with them to weaker hands I decided to play the weak hands instead. I'm pragmatic like that.
 
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KBVol said:
You haven't been around long enough young man to fully understand and appreciate this series. It goes back far longer than the last 11 years, when I'm assuming you were likely still in grade school. 6-24 the last 30 times we've played....no Tennessee coach has a winning record vs Florida since Bill Battle in the early 1970s....feel free to go back that far and explain the abysmal record vs Florida dating back to 1976.....there's more to it than who has/had the better talent, whether you or anybody else wants to believe it or not.
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The hell? What do the last 30 years have to do with this season?

LOL. What is this supernatural power that's continues to cause the more talented Vols to keep losing to Florida?
 
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Orange_Crush said:
So, it's voodoo? Is that the definition of 'pragmatic'?
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Who said anything about voodoo? It's also not witchcraft or black magic. A big part of it is that Florida has been a better football program. Not doubt about that.

However, anyone who discounts the mental aspect of this series is foolish IMO. There's a mindset at play here with each program with regards to this annual game.....Florida expects to win, pretty much knows it's gonna win, while Tennessee, at best, hopes to win. I've heard former players talk about it...Florida week is different than any other week in the football complex at Tennessee and we've seen the difference continually manifest itself over the past four decades when the two teams play.

As far as being pragmatic, I have no doubt that if Florida wins the next 19 in a row, making it 30 UT losses in a row, handing Tennessee is only loss every year, that plenty of posters on here continue to mock those of us in the "believe when I see it crowd", while continuing to write off the skepticism as "voodoo".
 
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KBVol said:
Who said anything about voodoo? It's also not witchcraft or black magic. A big part of it is that Florida has been a better football program. Not doubt about that.

However, anyone who discounts the mental aspect of this series is foolish IMO. There's a mindset at play here with each program with regards to this annual game.....Florida expects to win, pretty much knows it's gonna win, while Tennessee, at best, hopes to win. I've heard former players talk about it...Florida week is different than any other week in the football complex at Tennessee and we've seen the difference continually manifest itself over the past four decades when the two teams play.
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You really think that's the case with guys like Dobbs, Hurd, Kamara, Barnett, JRM, and Sutton? Hell we just had our incoming 5 star recruit guarantee victory over Florida this season?

I highly doubt 5 star kids like Kahlil or Preston who dominated the guys at Florida at camps and stuff would be scared or question whether they can beat Florida.

Maybe when we were fielding 5-7 teams our guys were intimidated by Florida. But I don't think that's the case with this years squad.
 
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