2016 Election Thread Part Deux

Kasich is who I back. Trump is a circus clown but Hillary is a criminal

Oh, I'm sure Trump is a criminal too. You don't typically get that wealthy without doing some shady things, or at least treating others like dog piles along the way. The latter, while not necessarily criminal, is bare minimum standard though.

Admittedly, Trump hasn't done anything to compromise our national security like Clinton, but, if given the proper authority, I imagine that would only be a matter of time.
 
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yes throw those ****s out too. republicans and democrats are just different sides of a sh*t sandwich.

Absolutely correct the Republicans have become the Democratic Party's JV team. They keep trying to out Dem the Dems. But there is no question to the fact that the wealth division has always exploded under Democratic administrations. Under a Socialist administration it will only be exacerbated.
 
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whoops spoke too soon..Sanders still won 56-44 but it looks like Hillary called heads on the special DNC two headed coin and now they will split delegates 7 to 7

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Update to the update...I forgot to use the DNC's Common Core delegate math for Wyoming where 44 is actually more than 56..Hillary is the delegate winner when you add in those DNC handpicked superdelegates, the total is Clinton 11 Sanders 7...so you still love your party Dems?

Rigged race means Hillary takes more delegates in Bernie’s Wyoming win | New York Post
 
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More cray cray from the DNC math department..Hillary has won 18 states, Sanders 17 and they basically tied 2...somehow that equates to 469 superdelegates for her and 31 for him...I actually feel sorry for the young Bernie supporters, I feel they are misguided but they are involved in the process and are getting a terrible message from their party, your vote doesn't matter to us.
 
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More cray cray from the DNC math department..Hillary has won 18 states, Sanders 17 and they basically tied 2...somehow that equates to 469 superdelegates for her and 31 for him...I actually feel sorry for the young Bernie supporters, I feel they are misguided but they are involved in the process and are getting a terrible message from their party, your vote doesn't matter to us.

Both parties are being exposed this election process. Love or hate Trump and Bernie... But they've done a good job of exposing the bs.
 
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SuperDave, I misjudged you earlier when I read your posts and we sparred a bit. I apologize if I offended you. Most of us think of socialism as a governmental system; whereas, you look on it more as a way of life - a philosophy. The kind of equality that you seek makes sense, but I can't ever imagine it happening on a wide scale. If we lived in a world of Type B personalities, perhaps; but Type A's would never let it happen - they have to control. As much as the lifestyle that you seek makes sense to you, and honestly in a way to me, there are too many who have to have control - and they will grab control - it happens in every group. For me - I'd prefer to see Type A's destroyed at birth, but if you think abortion creates a stir ... .

The other part of the problem pertains to ideas, creating the structure to produce, and the cost to make it run. Not many people would have what it takes to create a Microsoft, so it really is hard to say that Bill Gates is/was equal to everyone or even anyone else in the company. When you look at what the business produces, you really can't argue that a top level software engineer at MS is equal to custodial staff. Although you could make an argument that at some point lack of sanitary conditions might bring it all to a halt.

I don't doubt that we might agree that a person should be paid what he is worth and not what he can demand. I absolutely believe that in most companies "key" executives could go missing for days without severe disruption (except possibly for that required signature for a decision he/she didn't even make), but somewhere out on the assembly line there are a few people who do make a difference. For example, no power, no production; and that "key" executive doesn't have a clue how to get the power back on. One guy can have it running quickly and the other can make it happen but with significant cost and delay, but their pay and "importance" in the hierarchy don't reflect that.

I guess the best answer is that socialism cannot work if all men are not fairly equal; and regardless of what Lincoln wanted to believe, men are never created equal. The process may be the same but physical and intellectual attributes, temperament, and the conditions into which one is born with and into say differently - something like snowflakes and their originating process. A simple thing like being nearsighted can completely close off some career paths and change a destiny. It's life.
 
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SuperDave, I misjudged you earlier when I read your posts and we sparred a bit. I apologize if I offended you. Most of us think of socialism as a governmental system; whereas, you look on it more as a way of life - a philosophy. The kind of equality that you seek makes sense, but I can't ever imagine it happening on a wide scale. If we lived in a world of Type B personalities, perhaps; but Type A's would never let it happen - they have to control. As much as the lifestyle that you seek makes sense to you, and honestly in a way to me, there are too many who have to have control - and they will grab control - it happens in every group. For me - I'd prefer to see Type A's destroyed at birth, but if you think abortion creates a stir ... .

The other part of the problem pertains to ideas, creating the structure to produce, and the cost to make it run. Not many people would have what it takes to create a Microsoft, so it really is hard to say that Bill Gates is/was equal to everyone or even anyone else in the company. When you look at what the business produces, you really can't argue that a top level software engineer at MS is equal to custodial staff. Although you could make an argument that at some point lack of sanitary conditions might bring it all to a halt.

I don't doubt that we might agree that a person should be paid what he is worth and not what he can demand. I absolutely believe that in most companies "key" executives could go missing for days without severe disruption (except possibly for that required signature for a decision he/she didn't even make), but somewhere out on the assembly line there are a few people who do make a difference. For example, no power, no production; and that "key" executive doesn't have a clue how to get the power back on. One guy can have it running quickly and the other can make it happen but with significant cost and delay, but their pay and "importance" in the hierarchy don't reflect that.

I guess the best answer is that socialism cannot work if all men are not fairly equal; and regardless of what Lincoln wanted to believe, men are never created equal. The process may be the same but physical and intellectual attributes, temperament, and the conditions into which one is born with and into say differently - something like snowflakes and their originating process. A simple thing like being nearsighted can completely close off some career paths and change a destiny. It's life.

Good post. On paper socialism rocks. In practice , it's impossible.
 
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SuperDave, I misjudged you earlier when I read your posts and we sparred a bit. I apologize if I offended you. Most of us think of socialism as a governmental system; whereas, you look on it more as a way of life - a philosophy. The kind of equality that you seek makes sense, but I can't ever imagine it happening on a wide scale. If we lived in a world of Type B personalities, perhaps; but Type A's would never let it happen - they have to control. As much as the lifestyle that you seek makes sense to you, and honestly in a way to me, there are too many who have to have control - and they will grab control - it happens in every group. For me - I'd prefer to see Type A's destroyed at birth, but if you think abortion creates a stir ... .

The other part of the problem pertains to ideas, creating the structure to produce, and the cost to make it run. Not many people would have what it takes to create a Microsoft, so it really is hard to say that Bill Gates is/was equal to everyone or even anyone else in the company. When you look at what the business produces, you really can't argue that a top level software engineer at MS is equal to custodial staff. Although you could make an argument that at some point lack of sanitary conditions might bring it all to a halt.

I don't doubt that we might agree that a person should be paid what he is worth and not what he can demand. I absolutely believe that in most companies "key" executives could go missing for days without severe disruption (except possibly for that required signature for a decision he/she didn't even make), but somewhere out on the assembly line there are a few people who do make a difference. For example, no power, no production; and that "key" executive doesn't have a clue how to get the power back on. One guy can have it running quickly and the other can make it happen but with significant cost and delay, but their pay and "importance" in the hierarchy don't reflect that.

I guess the best answer is that socialism cannot work if all men are not fairly equal; and regardless of what Lincoln wanted to believe, men are never created equal. The process may be the same but physical and intellectual attributes, temperament, and the conditions into which one is born with and into say differently - something like snowflakes and their originating process. A simple thing like being nearsighted can completely close off some career paths and change a destiny. It's life.
Thank you.. and I agree with almost everything you just wrote. Its not so much as everybody being equal as it is everybody getting a wage to match their production but like you said it will most likely never happen for the reasons you stated.
 
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Hey GrandVol can we start the part Drei election thread? That way those that want to talk about socialism and section 8 housing can stay in this one
 
Hmmm..

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One name that came up recently as the GOP presidential candidate who might be selected at a contested convention is Gen. James Mattis - retired Marine. For a change the Republicans could actually wind up doing something right - somebody with experience in actually running things, a grasp of foreign affairs, and not a politician (at least of the Washington type - any general officer knows plenty about politics). Certainly someone (for a real change) competent to be commander in chief. To me Trump has always been the closest thing to a "none of the above" vote, and perhaps this is what it takes to make that a reality - that Trump what is what got the GOP off drugs (the idiot candidacy train) - scared straight.
 
One name that came up recently as the GOP presidential candidate who might be selected at a contested convention is Gen. James Mattis - retired Marine. For a change the Republicans could actually wind up doing something right - somebody with experience in actually running things, a grasp of foreign affairs, and not a politician (at least of the Washington type - any general officer knows plenty about politics). Certainly someone (for a real change) competent to be commander in chief. To me Trump has always been the closest thing to a "none of the above" vote, and perhaps this is what it takes to make that a reality - that Trump what is what got the GOP off drugs (the idiot candidacy train) - scared straight.


Doesn't matter. Trump ran and will no matter what have millions more actual votes than anyone else. If he's not the nominee, there will be a mass exodus from the GOP.
 
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Doesn't matter. Trump ran and will no matter what have millions more actual votes than anyone else. If he's not the nominee, there will be a mass exodus from the GOP.
There isn't a real good reason to stay with the Republican party. They have done nothing that they were elected to do. Might as well stay home and let Dems get elected. There is little difference between the two.
 
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One name that came up recently as the GOP presidential candidate who might be selected at a contested convention is Gen. James Mattis - retired Marine. For a change the Republicans could actually wind up doing something right - somebody with experience in actually running things, a grasp of foreign affairs, and not a politician (at least of the Washington type - any general officer knows plenty about politics). Certainly someone (for a real change) competent to be commander in chief. To me Trump has always been the closest thing to a "none of the above" vote, and perhaps this is what it takes to make that a reality - that Trump what is what got the GOP off drugs (the idiot candidacy train) - scared straight.

People need to knock this crap straight the eff off.

It's fairly inevitable Trump gets the nomination. And this pure BS of "floating" names at the last minute is doing nothing to help inspire a party that should have the easiest election since 1980.
 
Doesn't matter. Trump ran and will no matter what have millions more actual votes than anyone else. If he's not the nominee, there will be a mass exodus from the GOP.

Whomever is behind the scenes continuing to drop these random names (Paul Ryan is another that has straight up said NO! but continues to get tossed around) needs to get a sock in their mouth.

I'm not a Trump fan at all. But he's winning right now and that's all there is to it.
 

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