The Walking Dead

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BigZiti09 said:
VSF,

Someone earlier brought up a good comparison. True Blood was a show that went off the walls and lost a good portion of fans, myself included. I guess the difference is that it just got too bizarre for me to suspend disbelief. It got to where it was ridiculous and I just quit watching. TWD has never gotten to that point with me.

Sure, silly things happen on the show. Rick walks into a trap, Carl gets a bullet thru the head, The Governor keeps his daughter chained up in his house, Morgan thinks putting people in a cell will change their hearts, a horse tip toes up to save Carol, etc.

Are people willing to excuse things that unbelievable as long as they happened in the comic? Is that what is happening here?

My original point was just that I think this show had it's best half season but some people can't enjoy it because they watch the show as if they are a writer for some kind of comic con publication.
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That's fine, but that's not everyone. Everyone who has a problem with it doesn't fit your stereotype.

I enjoyed about half of the last half of the season. I have praised the show when I felt it was good. But I'm not the type who's going to praise something for the sake of praising something, and if something is what I consider bad writing, then it's bad. I really don't care what the genre is, or if it's based on a comic, or any of that, I base my judgement of it on what it's trying to accomplish and in the context of the reality it has created.

What constitutes "suspending disbelief"? Obviously it's a fantasy world, and if Rick suddenly had telepathy or Carl could fly, yeah, it's gone too far. But I don't think that is some blanket covering for letting the show get away with stupid things. For example, I don't think the group suddenly getting stupid and reckless the last 3 episodes is covered under the "suspended disbelief" category, I think that's bad writing. They had to come up with a scenario for everyone to leave Alexandria and compared to how it was done in the comic (where it made more sense and happened more organically), it was badly written IMHO.

Everything doesn't HAVE to happen like it does in the comic. There are upcoming things that I really hope they do NOT do on the show that they did in the comic. But like I said, when the comic does it better, then they're going to hear about it.

If you enjoy it, fine, I don't want you to NOT enjoy it. But it's not fair to seemingly label all who didn't like it as some of kind of "hate watcher", just as it wouldn't be fair for me to label you a "homer fanboy" just because you thought it was awesome.
 
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BigZiti09 said:
Changing the subject, who were the guys dressed up in superhero garb that met up with Carol and Morgan?
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not sure. apparently, they were just two young extreme sports wannabes who happened to get lost and accidentally wandered on set decked out in their rollerblading pads.

someone told Gimple he should just cut it, and reshoot the scene, but Gimple was all like, "No. this is brilliant. We're keeping it. I see it now. X-treme zombies. It's how we'll win back our fanbase."

"and what if they don't like it? they say it's unrealistic."

Gimple-"We'll just be like, it's a zombie apocalypse brah."
 
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VolsSportsFan said:
That's fine, but that's not everyone. Everyone who has a problem with it doesn't fit your stereotype.

I enjoyed about half of the last half of the season. I have praised the show when I felt it was good. But I'm not the type who's going to praise something for the sake of praising something, and if something is what I consider bad writing, then it's bad. I really don't care what the genre is, or if it's based on a comic, or any of that, I base my judgement of it on what it's trying to accomplish and in the context of the reality it has created.

What constitutes "suspending disbelief"? Obviously it's a fantasy world, and if Rick suddenly had telepathy or Carl could fly, yeah, it's gone too far. But I don't think that is some blanket covering for letting the show get away with stupid things. For example, I don't think the group suddenly getting stupid and reckless the last 3 episodes is covered under the "suspended disbelief" category, I think that's bad writing. They had to come up with a scenario for everyone to leave Alexandria and compared to how it was done in the comic (where it made more sense and happened more organically), it was badly written IMHO.

Everything doesn't HAVE to happen like it does in the comic. There are upcoming things that I really hope they do NOT do on the show that they did in the comic. But like I said, when the comic does it better, then they're going to hear about it.

If you enjoy it, fine, I don't want you to NOT enjoy it. But it's not fair to seemingly label all who didn't like it as some of kind of "hate watcher", just as it wouldn't be fair for me to label you a "homer fanboy" just because you thought it was awesome.
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I have now seen the episode and I'm pretty furious!
I usually feel like you guys complain too much about this show which is typically very entertaining. I think the second half of this season has been pretty outstanding. Last Day on Earth built a level of suspense that I had not experienced with this show for a while, and I loved it. How could they have honestly thought this was the right call? I'd almost have rather seen them just cut back to Rick in a hospital bed with Shane there to tell him about how he must have been having some kind of a crazy dream.
 
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Disappointing finale. The 15 minutes of negan talking got old pretty quick. So far he's as annoying as "poochie" from the Simpsons.
 
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VolsSportsFan said:
That's fine, but that's not everyone. Everyone who has a problem with it doesn't fit your stereotype.

I enjoyed about half of the last half of the season. I have praised the show when I felt it was good. But I'm not the type who's going to praise something for the sake of praising something, and if something is what I consider bad writing, then it's bad. I really don't care what the genre is, or if it's based on a comic, or any of that, I base my judgement of it on what it's trying to accomplish and in the context of the reality it has created.

What constitutes "suspending disbelief"? Obviously it's a fantasy world, and if Rick suddenly had telepathy or Carl could fly, yeah, it's gone too far. But I don't think that is some blanket covering for letting the show get away with stupid things. For example, I don't think the group suddenly getting stupid and reckless the last 3 episodes is covered under the "suspended disbelief" category, I think that's bad writing. They had to come up with a scenario for everyone to leave Alexandria and compared to how it was done in the comic (where it made more sense and happened more organically), it was badly written IMHO.

Everything doesn't HAVE to happen like it does in the comic. There are upcoming things that I really hope they do NOT do on the show that they did in the comic. But like I said, when the comic does it better, then they're going to hear about it.

If you enjoy it, fine, I don't want you to NOT enjoy it. But it's not fair to seemingly label all who didn't like it as some of kind of "hate watcher", just as it wouldn't be fair for me to label you a "homer fanboy" just because you thought it was awesome.
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People just need to learn to accept that goofy things need to happen in order for a story to progress. Should Rick n the gang drive right up on a roadblock they can see for hundreds of yards? No, they should dismount and scout on foot. That's what us reasonable thinkers would do, and it would be boring. Oh look a string of zombies across the road. Just run up on it, or clear the ridges on either side? There's no excitement in something like that. Drama and conflict requires close quarters. It seems irrational but it's a tv show so it's going to happen. Just enjoy it for what it is.
 
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Nicotero in his defense of the ending:

"If people are upset, I'll say this: I remember sitting in the theater watching 'Empire Strikes Back' and having Darth Vader say, 'I am your father!' I watched that with my jaw on the ground and I never went, 'Well, that's stupid. I hate that idea. I can't believe they're going to make me wait!'" Nicotero recalls."I was so excited about this new story that was going to unfold in front of me. I was never like, 'Oh, this movie sucks. I'm not going to go see the third one. I'm not gonna watch it... they're gonna make me wait.'"
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'The Walking Dead' season 6 finale was planned as a cliffhanger - Tech Insider
Unreal :eek:lol:
 
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WarDamnVols said:
Nicotero in his defense of the ending:



'The Walking Dead' season 6 finale was planned as a cliffhanger - Tech Insider
Unreal :eek:lol:
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ESB is a bad example but I thought Gimble mentioning the Season 1 cliffhanger of Lost was a pretty good comparison. They spent half the season trying g to get into this hatch only to end the finale with it finally opening but not entering.

I can see why it's frustrating but it is far far far from the most egregious thing the show has ever done.
 
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DancingOutlaw said:
People just need to learn to accept that goofy things need to happen in order for a story to progress. Should Rick n the gang drive right up on a roadblock they can see for hundreds of yards? No, they should dismount and scout on foot. That's what us reasonable thinkers would do, and it would be boring. Oh look a string of zombies across the road. Just run up on it, or clear the ridges on either side? There's no excitement in something like that. Drama and conflict requires close quarters. It seems irrational but it's a tv show so it's going to happen. Just enjoy it for what it is.
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Eh, agree to disagree. The whole point is these guys are hardened veterans of surviving this world, and yet they're making very rookie mistakes. I can take goofy stuff, but not blatantly stupid things.

Plus as I said, in the comic, it made sense. So at the least, if they can write it correctly for a freakin' comic, they can do as well for a TV show. And this isn't one of those things that doesn't translate.
 
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burntorangeVOLffle said:
ESB is a bad example but I thought Gimble mentioning the Season 1 cliffhanger of Lost was a pretty good comparison. They spent half the season trying g to get into this hatch only to end the finale with it finally opening but not entering.

I can see why it's frustrating but it is far far far from the most egregious thing the show has ever done.
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It's still not a very good comparison. Lost isn't based on a GN that everyone knows about with an iconic scene that did NOT end in a cliffhanger. Plus I think some are missing that the problem isn't so much it's a cliffhanger (even though IMHO Gimple has used it too much), it's how it happened. There's a big difference in a cliffhanger that sets up a new season and one that doesn't tell you how the previous one ended.

The stuff they tried to say about this "ending a chapter and next season starting a new one" is crap, because you didn't show us the ending of the last chapter. They could have easly shown who was killed, made that the last image, and it's really no less a cliffhanger in the sense of "WTF are they going to do?"

Anyway, it's obvious a few think it's great and most think it sucks, and neither side is apparently going to change the others mind, so we might as well move on to.......oh wait there's 7 months of speculation.
 
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BigZiti09 said:
Did he know they had the amount of people they had? I am thinking he did not realize they were capable doing what they did. In the end, he decides that taking Maggie thru the woods would be an option. And I'm guessing it would have worked but the Saviors caught mullet guy and made him talk.
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Rick and his group had no idea how many people Negan had or how spread out the group was. I think after Rick and his group had killed about 40+ saviors they haphazardly assumed they had taken out all if not most of them out.

DancingOutlaw said:
How does a group of this size operate in the same area as Alexandria and prior to the hilltop they only have one skirmish with them? Shouldn't they have run into them a lot more on scavenging trips?
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Stoked said:
Are there any women in Negan's group? Or is it just a big testicle festival?
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Short of going back and watching it I'm pretty sure I spotted a couple females in the circle who were whistling along with the group.

burntorangeVOLffle said:
ESB is a bad example but I thought Gimble mentioning the Season 1 cliffhanger of Lost was a pretty good comparison...
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His name is actually Gimple with a "p".

VolsSportsFan said:
Eh, agree to disagree. The whole point is these guys are hardened veterans of surviving this world, and yet they're making very rookie mistakes. I can take goofy stuff, but not blatantly stupid things.

Plus as I said, in the comic, it made sense. So at the least, if they can write it correctly for a freakin' comic, they can do as well for a TV show. And this isn't one of those things that doesn't translate.
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I'm not agreeing with the rushed decision making and stupid mistakes Rick's group made but it was a known, running theme for the group for the back half of this season and the writers were set on sticking with it.

Even though the decision making wasn't the best this back half of the season what Rick achieved in cutting down almost half of Negan's group was pretty remarkable ultimately. He didn't lose a single member in the process, and even now it seems it's only going to cost them one member after all.
 
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Coug said:
Even though the decision making wasn't the best this back half of the season what Rick achieved in cutting down almost half of Negan's group was pretty remarkable ultimately. He didn't lose a single member in the process, and even now it seems it's only going to cost them one member after all.
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it's remarkable how fast we have already forgotten about poor Denise.
 
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VolsSportsFan said:
It's still not a very good comparison. Lost isn't based on a GN that everyone knows about with an iconic scene that did NOT end in a cliffhanger. Plus I think some are missing that the problem isn't so much it's a cliffhanger (even though IMHO Gimple has used it too much), it's how it happened. There's a big difference in a cliffhanger that sets up a new season and one that doesn't tell you how the previous one ended.

The stuff they tried to say about this "ending a chapter and next season starting a new one" is crap, because you didn't show us the ending of the last chapter. They could have easly shown who was killed, made that the last image, and it's really no less a cliffhanger in the sense of "WTF are they going to do?"

Anyway, it's obvious a few think it's great and most think it sucks, and neither side is apparently going to change the others mind, so we might as well move on to.......oh wait there's 7 months of speculation.
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Do graphic novels have season finale issues? Never read the comic, but in my younger days, reading Marvel and DC, there wasn't much of a gap. :)
 
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butchna said:
Do graphic novels have season finale issues? Never read the comic, but in my younger days, reading Marvel and DC, there wasn't much of a gap. :)
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If you read TWD month to month there would be a cliffhanger pretty much every month.

If you read the collected editions the cliffhanger last up to 6 months.

If you read the Compendiums (as they are released) the cliffhanger lasts about 3-4 years.
 
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burntorangeVOLffle said:
If you read TWD month to month there would be a cliffhanger pretty much every month.

If you read the collected editions the cliffhanger last up to 6 months.

If you read the Compendiums (as they are released) the cliffhanger lasts about 3-4 years.
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Maybe the parallels between a comic and a TV show aren't so PARALLEL? :dunno:
 
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There are people trying to say Carl was the one who was lucilled...lol. If it was Carl then half of screen would have been black since he has no right eye.
 
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SouthKnoxVOL said:
There are people trying to say Carl was the one who was lucilled...lol. If it was Carl then half of screen would have been black since he has no right eye.
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This shot may lend some creedance to that theory. I don't know if it's photoshopped or not and I don't remember seeing it while watching...but that sure looks an awful damn lot like Carl's shadow wearing the hat.
 

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