Sweeping Sexual Assault Suit Filed Against UT

[butchna]

I don't know where I was last week.

Prolly Thailand...or Fire Island. :glare:

 

[AM64]

This would now work as a DUI defense.

Yep, except for the fact that they were sober when they decided to start drinking. There's still that first opportunity to take personal responsibility.

 

[Iam4utalways]

Is this the accuser that didn't go to UT about her incident?

 

[butchna]

Is this the accuser that didn't go to UT about her incident?

Yeah...and she's not a plaintiff either. I'm aware of another accuser of Yemi who didn't come forward.

 

[flatiron]

Here's the link. Lawyer: UT football player accused of sex assault did ‘nothing wrong’

Thanks for the link, I was just pointing out that WATE all but identified him despite saying in their story they weren't revealing his identity because he hadn't been charged. The KNS article you linked is written much more ambiguously when it comes to the identifying the player.

 

[butchna]

Thanks for the link, I was just pointing out that WATE all but identified him despite saying in their story they weren't revealing his identity because he hadn't been charged. The KNS article you linked is written much more ambiguously when it comes to the identifying the player.

True. There were two graduate transfers...only one played in only those two games.

 

[Iam4utalways]

Yeah...and she's not a plaintiff either. I'm aware of another accuser of Yemi who didn't come forward.

Sounds like a Knoxville issue. Did a DR. exam take place, or a tape kit? Sex with a girl that is passed out drunk is out of bounds and the law should press charges, like domestic abuse.

 

[VFL-82-JP]

Here's the thing that gets me, though. Person A wakes up after a night of heavy drinking, does not remember events but "feels raped," and (maybe? idk) assumes that the other party was sober and in control. Meanwhile, it is entirely possible Person B was just as drunk as Person A, remembers just as little, but doesn't necessarily feel raped.

So if the two people were equally incoherent during the act, neither of them has anything close to clear recollection of events ... why does one feeling raped and the other not feeling raped make the latter culpable for a crime?

When neither of them can even be sure that a crime occurred, and both abandoned rational control of events by getting heavily drunk?

This particular case makes absolutely no sense to me, from a legal standpoint. I guess I can see why it was never prosecuted in any way. Particularly with no DNA evidence being found.

 

[butchna]

Sounds like a Knoxville issue. Did a DR. exam take place, or a tape kit? Sex with a girl that is passed out drunk is out of bounds and the law should press charges, like domestic abuse.

If one was done or not done, should be in the record. Hoping it was done...would prove no rape occurred.

 

[AM64]

Here's the thing that gets me, though. Person A wakes up after a night of heavy drinking, does not remember events but "feels raped," and (maybe? idk) assumes that the other party was sober and in control. Meanwhile, it is entirely possible Person B was just as drunk as Person A, remembers just as little, but doesn't necessarily feel raped.

So if the two people were equally incoherent during the act, neither of them has anything close to clear recollection of events ... why does one feeling raped and the other not feeling raped make the latter culpable for a crime?

When neither of them can even be sure that a crime occurred, and both abandoned rational control of events by getting heavily drunk?

This particular case makes absolutely no sense to me, from a legal standpoint. I guess I can see why it was never prosecuted in any way. Particularly with no DNA evidence being found.

Not just that, but was Person B even capable. And was there a Person C, D, E ... who just weren't there the next morning? If you aren't responsible enough to be aware of your own body, how can you accuse someone else of abusing it? As a society, we've collectively lost all sense of reason and responsibility.

 

[bigdaddy]

Here's the thing that gets me, though. Person A wakes up after a night of heavy drinking, does not remember events but "feels raped," and (maybe? idk) assumes that the other party was sober and in control. Meanwhile, it is entirely possible Person B was just as drunk as Person A, remembers just as little, but doesn't necessarily feel raped.

So if the two people were equally incoherent during the act, neither of them has anything close to clear recollection of events ... why does one feeling raped and the other not feeling raped make the latter culpable for a crime?

When neither of them can even be sure that a crime occurred, and both abandoned rational control of events by getting heavily drunk?

This particular case makes absolutely no sense to me, from a legal standpoint. I guess I can see why it was never prosecuted in any way. Particularly with no DNA evidence being found.

With no DNA maybe she was claiming raped but by an object? I don't know. It's hard for me to understand how you can claim rape and no evidence to the fact. My question is was there bruising or tearing indicating force? I'm guessing no since no criminal charges were upheld

 

[Iam4utalways]

Yeah...and she's not a plaintiff either. I'm aware of another accuser of Yemi who didn't come forward.

Someone needs to let these women know that now is the time to bring it all to light, if there has been any misconduct please let it be known, so we can have a chance to make things better.

 

[doctorchoice]

I see how some on here think rape allegations should be reported and investigated fairly. I don't agree. If Al Bundy was accused of rape I would say don't investigate because he scored 4 touchdowns in a single game. (SARCASM) I think that's how they operate in Tallahassee , though.

 

[Nerwen Aldarion]

With no DNA maybe she was claiming raped but by an object? I don't know. It's hard for me to understand how you can claim rape and no evidence to the fact. My question is was there bruising or tearing indicating force? I'm guessing no since no criminal charges were upheld

No DNA? Really?

With no DNA in this day and age with how sensitive our DNA tests are now it;s very VERY difficult to believe a rape occurred...or any sexual activity.

I hate harping on this but the Duke Lacrosse case is the textbook example of this, especially in regards to DNA

 

[BigorangeBoy]

Can someone summarize the KNS link? When I click on it I get an animated Gif of John Adams saying "click now to subscribe"

 

[newyorkvol]

Here's the thing that gets me, though. Person A wakes up after a night of heavy drinking, does not remember events but "feels raped," and (maybe? idk) assumes that the other party was sober and in control. Meanwhile, it is entirely possible Person B was just as drunk as Person A, remembers just as little, but doesn't necessarily feel raped.

So if the two people were equally incoherent during the act, neither of them has anything close to clear recollection of events ... why does one feeling raped and the other not feeling raped make the latter culpable for a crime?

When neither of them can even be sure that a crime occurred, and both abandoned rational control of events by getting heavily drunk?

This particular case makes absolutely no sense to me, from a legal standpoint. I guess I can see why it was never prosecuted in any way. Particularly with no DNA evidence being found.

What if they both wake up feeling raped?

 

[malinoisvol]

Here's the thing that gets me, though. Person A wakes up after a night of heavy drinking, does not remember events but "feels raped," and (maybe? idk) assumes that the other party was sober and in control. Meanwhile, it is entirely possible Person B was just as drunk as Person A, remembers just as little, but doesn't necessarily feel raped.

So if the two people were equally incoherent during the act, neither of them has anything close to clear recollection of events ... why does one feeling raped and the other not feeling raped make the latter culpable for a crime?

When neither of them can even be sure that a crime occurred, and both abandoned rational control of events by getting heavily drunk?

This particular case makes absolutely no sense to me, from a legal standpoint. I guess I can see why it was never prosecuted in any way. Particularly with no DNA evidence being found.

I share your view on this. I was gonna post a similar thought yesterday, but it would have come out abrasive.

 

[I40flyer]

Story has serious "teeth." Woke up feeling raped in September. Reported immediately and no one has been charged. It would be laughable if the whole situation weren't so serious. Considering the player was on the field after the night in question, and Butch has suspended everyone accused to this point, this is a bit hard to take seriously.

In other words, if Butch suspends star players during game week for being accused, there's no way he's keeping a player like that on the team.

How right you are. I've made that point several times, but each time, you get a group of fan boys that think it's okay to bench players based on accusations, and accusations alone. Guilty until proven innocent. As so many have pointed out, all of these allegations are nothing more than a group of whores trying to get money from UT, it would be easy to hire 22 whores, the night before any game, and have all the starters benched-stupid even to think about it. It's sad, when Americans are willing to assess guilt on a player, just because some whore made an accusation. I hope it hasn't come to this.

 

[doctorchoice]

We don't know what happened in these cases. It is not useful to call these women "whores." Everyone wants the process to be fair, but this won't help our cause. We shouldn't make judgments without knowing all the facts, just as the media shouldn't make judgments about Tennessee without knowing all the facts.

 

[Remy]

What if they both wake up feeling raped?

l am not an attorney and do not know Tennessee criminal statutes at all. However in many states rape or first degree sexual assault occurs with ANY sort of nonconsensual penetration. Toys, cigars, and gun barrels for examples if used may not leave DNA many require to meet their standards of what constitutes rape.

 

[I40flyer]

We don't know what happened in these cases. It is not useful to call these women "whores." Everyone wants the process to be fair, but this won't help our cause. We shouldn't make judgments without knowing all the facts, just as the media shouldn't make judgments about Tennessee without knowing all the facts.

I'm have based the label of the females in question as being whores, because (according to most on this board, and they're in the know) they are claiming rape in order to get money from UT. Sex for money=whore
Really, let's be real, I don't know of anyone on this board that believes any of the females were raped, they just want money! But that wasn't the point of my post. I'm concerned when a fine young man has his reputation ruined, a shot at the NFL gone, and thrown off our team, just because of an accusation. Many have posted, CBJ has done this in Every case, where there has been an accusation. I'm sure he is being fair and even when it comes to this, but I'm uneasy with punishment (guilt) on the front end, when in the end, everyone of these guys will be found Not Guilty, if it even goes to court.

 

[Volunteer2012]

I'm have based the label of the females in question as being whores, because (according to most on this board, and they're in the know) they are claiming rape in order to get money from UT. Sex for money=whore
Really, let's be real, I don't know of anyone on this board that believes any of the females were raped, they just want money! But that wasn't the point of my post. I'm concerned when a fine young man has his reputation ruined, a shot at the NFL gone, and thrown off our team, just because of an accusation. Many have posted, CBJ has done this in Every case, where there has been an accusation. I'm sure he is being fair and even when it comes to this, but I'm uneasy with punishment (guilt) on the front end, when in the end, everyone of these guys will be found Not Guilty, if it even goes to court.

If I'm understanding what you are saying here correctly, which I think is the players are guilty until proven innocent, then I agree it sucks. Unfortunately that's the world today. While I agree it sucks you are damaging a young man's future by punishing him before he's even been found guilty, this may prove the program is doing everything it can combat a title IX issue. I could be off base here, but that's the way it looks to me

 

[doctorchoice]

I'm have based the label of the females in question as being whores, because (according to most on this board, and they're in the know) they are claiming rape in order to get money from UT. Sex for money=whore
Really, let's be real, I don't know of anyone on this board that believes any of the females were raped, they just want money! But that wasn't the point of my post. I'm concerned when a fine young man has his reputation ruined, a shot at the NFL gone, and thrown off our team, just because of an accusation. Many have posted, CBJ has done this in Every case, where there has been an accusation. I'm sure he is being fair and even when it comes to this, but I'm uneasy with punishment (guilt) on the front end, when in the end, everyone of these guys will be found Not Guilty, if it even goes to court.

You are out of your mind to call these women whores. You do not know if they were raped or not. Rape cases like these where the accuser and defendant know each are notoriously murky. Argue over whether the university was wrong to suspend the players based only an accusation, but don't call these women names when you don't know the facts. Its morally repugnant.

Again, CBJ and the university do not deserve to be condemned by the media without all the facts, and neither should these women. Snippets found on a message board or in a legal filing don't represent all the facts.

 

[SobeVol]

I'm have based the label of the females in question as being whores, because (according to most on this board, and they're in the know) they are claiming rape in order to get money from UT. Sex for money=whore
Really, let's be real, I don't know of anyone on this board that believes any of the females were raped, they just want money! But that wasn't the point of my post. I'm concerned when a fine young man has his reputation ruined, a shot at the NFL gone, and thrown off our team, just because of an accusation. Many have posted, CBJ has done this in Every case, where there has been an accusation. I'm sure he is being fair and even when it comes to this, but I'm uneasy with punishment (guilt) on the front end, when in the end, everyone of these guys will be found Not Guilty, if it even goes to court.

I40 you need a muzzle, before you say this kind of nonsense!
I personally know one of the victims involved in this suit, and know that they are actually merely asking for the tuition monies and not some large sum. ( she left the university after the event!) unfortunately it involves a player who remains on the team and has yet to be named. This issue is quite possibly larger and goes higher than most of us want to believe.
To sweepingly generalize about ALL women in this case as morally defunct is ignorant and reckless!

 

[Darth_Shiveman]

I40 you need a muzzle, before you say this kind of nonsense!
I personally know one of the victims involved in this suit, and know that they are actually merely asking for the tuition monies and not some large sum. ( she left the university after the event!) unfortunately it involves a player who remains on the team and has yet to be named. This issue is quite possibly larger and goes higher than most of us want to believe.
To sweepingly generalize about ALL women in this case as morally defunct is ignorant and reckless!

Alleged victim.

If no charges have been pressed and no evidence of wrongdoing found, why should the university have to pay her tuition after leaving the school? That could set a dangerous precedent.


Edit: I just want to clarify that I'm assuming this is is the case based on the fact that the player is still with the team.