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Burhead said:
Rumors circulating that Senator Jeff Sessions will endorse Trumpster tonight.
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Bur, I'm on-and-off again with this thread, so I must have missed the official endorsement, but, if I read your posts correctly, you're a Trump supporter, correct?

If so, why? I usually associate Trump supporters with losers, but you have never struck me as a "loser." You've always been very rational in your posts and don't seem to approach life with the mindset of a weak five-year-old. Why, then, the support for Trump?

Thanks in advance for the clarification.
 
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volprof said:
The extent to which he was a driving force is debatable, but, in a sense, yes. There's no denying the two are often simpatico when it comes to their outlook on Russian history and Russia's future, including both providing endorsements to the Trump campaign. However, Dugin makes Putin look like a "softy," when it comes to social conservatism and the willingness to resort to outright warfare to achieve aims. Dugin is old school fascist, while Putin dabbles in the much softer "neo-fascism."
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I've been reading up on him after you posted. His book called the "The Fourth Political Theory" is pretty fascist with a mix of nationalism. He proposed in 2014 to strip all poltical dissidents of their citizenship and deport them. His Eurasia Party platform is nearly Stalin like.
 
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Obsessed said:
Why Trump might be the best Republican to take on Hillary | New York Post

Interesting read.

general election is going to be the ugliest in US history — no matter whom the GOP nominates, because that’s Hillary Clinton’s plan.

Once she’s ground Bernie Sanders to dust, Clinton will reactivate her Goldman Sachs ATM card, hoover up a billion or so from Wall Street, Hollywood, Silicon Valley, etc. — and prep the mother of all attack-ad blitzes.

It’s her only option: She’s too known a quantity to improve her image. She can’t pull off Barack Obama’s 2008 “hope and change” approach, only his 2012 “win by destroying your opponent” tack.

In 2012, Obama won 3.5 million fewer votes than in his first run. But he focused his efforts on getting his people out — and suppressing the pro-Romney vote with week after week of vicious lies and smears.

Romney couldn’t answer with his own ads — his campaign was broke. For weeks, all he could do was raise cash.

For the record, Marco Rubio would be in the same spot. Paul Krugman this week already sketched out the Clinton attacks on him: He wants Mitt Romney to pay ZERO taxes, and he’s a warmonger just like W. They’ll find or create personal dirt, too — as they will with any GOP nominee.

Trump won’t be left mute. He can write a $1 billion check and get right back in the fight. (Note to The Donald: Real estate assets aren’t that liquid. I hope you’re freeing up cash now.)

Of course, even Trump will be taken aback by the venom that’s about to come his way. It’ll make the primary look like a knitting circle, and Megyn Kelly seem as sweet as Melania.
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Remember, Trump gets to attack BOTH Benghazi Hillary AND Slick Willie. And no one can attack like Trump.
 
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It looks like Trump will win the Republican bid, as long as something unforeseen doesn't occur. At this point, I think that unforeseen X Factor is more likely to be the RNC rejecting his bid than a Rubio triumph in the polls.

I never saw this coming. I've agreed until now with the majority of the rational national analysts that Trump was merely a passing fad, one of those temporary "off the reservation" things that Americans are often notorious for relative to the rest of the Western world, and that the center would ultimately hold and push him out. This seemed to initially be substantiated by the fact that the demographics that support Trump statistically turn out at the polls less than any others.

None of this has happened though, and I am led to believe this is because we have never witnessed a campaign like Trump's. It is so overtly irrational, it defies conventional analysis. None of the rules that have applied to politics and to campaigns in the past apply to him. His campaign is a reality tv show truly come to life, with all the drama and incoherence that entails, and, therefore, it simply cannot be put into any proper critical framework.

I've stopped trying to make sense out of it, because there is no making sense out of it, other than that it's clearly the result of an incoherent popular rage. That's where any making sense of it ends though. The man can literally do nothing to make his supporters or those hovering on the fence think any less of him. Even Clinton, who gets away with violating a myriad of our nation's laws, would surely lose much of her support to Sanders if she behaved the way Trump does publicly. Not so with Trump; it just doesn't matter. You just can't make sense out of something that can't be made sense out of.

I've learned in the past month or two not to bet against this character, as I have in the past. I think it is highly likely now that he wins the Republican bid, and he may very well beat Clinton in the general. About a month or two ago, I thought this would have meant a clear victory for the Democrats, but I just don't know anymore.
 
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Awesome! I've got you beat, Huff. Of course, mine was also a decade ago and I'm sure you've overtaken me by now considering the damage done and lack of stimulation. So I guess you win.
 
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TN poll is out.

Trump - 40
Cruz - 22
Rubio - 19
Carson - 9
Kasich - 6

Not surprised in the least by Trump's lead, but I wasn't expecting Cruz over Rubio.
 
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UTCVol said:
TN poll is out.

Trump - 40
Cruz - 22
Rubio - 19
Carson - 9
Kasich - 6

Not surprised in the least by Trump's lead, but I wasn't expecting Cruz over Rubio.
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Carson and Kasich need to put their egos aside and drop out.
 
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carlos86 said:
I've been reading up on him after you posted. His book called the "The Fourth Political Theory" is pretty fascist with a mix of nationalism. He proposed in 2014 to strip all poltical dissidents of their citizenship and deport them. His Eurasia Party platform is nearly Stalin like.
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He's kind of an idiosyncratic thinker, but he's definitely close to the old school of fascism, although he lacks old school fascism's overt racism. This is mostly because Dugin's notion of Russia is as a multiethnic, multinational state, but one unified under Moscow and the Russian language. So, he's an ethnocentrist, but not necessarily one who promotes the superiority of any particular race. He's more of a cultural supremacist, if that makes any sense, but anyone can be apart of it as long as he or she speaks Russian and supports its "traditional culture" and values.

He dislikes communism, but I think his love for Stalin comes from the fact that Stalin was a staunch Russian nationalist, who essentially tried making the Soviet/Eurasian world into the strong Russian-led Eurasian state Dugin wants. Stalin, after all, is the first individual to inject nationalism into communism, which, theoretically and by the book, is internationalist and anti-nationalist (nationalism, of course, having previously been seen by the older communists as a relic of bourgeois culture).
 
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volprof said:
It looks like Trump will win the Republican bid, as long as something unforeseen doesn't occur. At this point, I think that unforeseen X Factor is more likely to be the RNC rejecting his bid than a Rubio triumph in the polls.

I never saw this coming. I've agreed until now with the majority of the rational national analysts that Trump was merely a passing fad, one of those temporary "off the reservation" things that Americans are often notorious for relative to the rest of the Western world, and that the center would ultimately hold and push him out. This seemed to initially be substantiated by the fact that the demographics that support Trump statistically turn out at the polls less than any others.

None of this has happened though, and I am led to believe this is because we have never witnessed a campaign like Trump's. It is so overtly irrational, it defies conventional analysis. None of the rules that have applied to politics and to campaigns in the past apply to him. His campaign is a reality tv show truly come to life, with all the drama and incoherence that entails, and, therefore, it simply cannot be put into any proper critical framework.

I've stopped trying to make sense out of it, because there is no making sense out of it, other than that it's clearly the result of an incoherent popular rage. That's where any making sense of it ends though. The man can literally do nothing to make his supporters or those hovering on the fence think any less of him. Even Clinton, who gets away with violating a myriad of our nation's laws, would surely lose much of her support to Sanders if she behaved the way Trump does publicly. Not so with Trump; it just doesn't matter. You just can't make sense out of something that can't be made sense out of.

I've learned in the past month or two not to bet against this character, as I have in the past. I think it is highly likely now that he wins the Republican bid, and he may very well beat Clinton in the general. About a month or two ago, I thought this would have meant a clear victory for the Democrats, but I just don't know anymore.
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There are so many variables. Can Trump take the nomination and placate the GOP brass? Will he pivot toward the center? Will Republican moderates actually go over to Hillary?

Trump has some appeal to the labor Democrats, and Hillary isn't nearly as compelling as Obama. I think it comes down to whether minorities turn out against him in greater numbers. And since both candidates are so utterly unlikable, we may see some more third party action.
 
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volprof said:
It looks like Trump will win the Republican bid, as long as something unforeseen doesn't occur. At this point, I think that unforeseen X Factor is more likely to be the RNC rejecting his bid than a Rubio triumph in the polls.

I never saw this coming. I've agreed until now with the majority of the rational national analysts that Trump was merely a passing fad, one of those temporary "off the reservation" things that Americans are often notorious for relative to the rest of the Western world, and that the center would ultimately hold and push him out. This seemed to initially be substantiated by the fact that the demographics that support Trump statistically turn out at the polls less than any others.

None of this has happened though, and I am led to believe this is because we have never witnessed a campaign like Trump's. It is so overtly irrational, it defies conventional analysis. None of the rules that have applied to politics and to campaigns in the past apply to him. His campaign is a reality tv show truly come to life, with all the drama and incoherence that entails, and, therefore, it simply cannot be put into any proper critical framework.

I've stopped trying to make sense out of it, because there is no making sense out of it, other than that it's clearly the result of an incoherent popular rage. That's where any making sense of it ends though. The man can literally do nothing to make his supporters or those hovering on the fence think any less of him. Even Clinton, who gets away with violating a myriad of our nation's laws, would surely lose much of her support to Sanders if she behaved the way Trump does publicly. Not so with Trump; it just doesn't matter. You just can't make sense out of something that can't be made sense out of.

I've learned in the past month or two not to bet against this character, as I have in the past. I think it is highly likely now that he wins the Republican bid, and he may very well beat Clinton in the general. About a month or two ago, I thought this would have meant a clear victory for the Democrats, but I just don't know anymore.
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The DNC has 10,000 pages of oppo research on Trump. And most republicans and conservatives are being told to follow the "Hamilton Rule" and not vote for Trump
 
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If I were one of Trump's campaign advisers I'd be telling him to put Sessions on the top of the VP short list. It would really help him try and rally the conservatives who are still iffy about him.
 
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Burhead said:
If I were one of Trump's campaign advisers I'd be telling him to put Sessions on the top of the VP short list. It would really help him try and rally the conservatives who are still iffy about him.
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LOL Yea let's put the one guy who wasn't confirmed by the Senate to be a U.S. Circuit Court Judge because he's a suspected an a racist.
 
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1972 Grad said:
More like Sessions can see the handwriting on the wall.
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Cruz is calling for the same things on immigration that Trump is without the bombast. Given that Trump is not much of a conservative on other issues while Cruz considers himself to be the gold standard of the conservative movement, it says a lot that Sessions didn't already endorse him.

But yeah, it's probably opportunism. Sessions didn't leave much room for imagination when he appeared at that rally early in the campaign.
 
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Watch Trump get elected and then be like " no I don't want to be President. I just wanted to see if I could get votes" and just never take the oath.
 
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alexmanu said:
Even if Trump sweeps Super Tuesday, something tells me there will be more to the tale...
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The only thing I can see at the moment complicating his bid for the presidency, besides a Clinton/Sanders ticket, is a RNC fracture, where the party establishment decides to go with another candidate even though Trump has technically won the bid. Regardless, Trump will be running for president in the general, but whether he runs as the "Republican" candidate or as an independent in the general will make a real difference. As an independent, I don't think he could possibly win, but as a Republican, I think he certainly has a chance.
 
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volprof said:
The only thing I can see at the moment complicating his bid for the presidency, besides a Clinton/Sanders ticket, is a RNC fracture, where the party establishment decides to go with another candidate even though Trump has technically won the bid. Regardless, Trump will be running for president in the general, but whether he runs as the "Republican" candidate or as an independent in the general will make a real difference. As an independent, I don't think he could possibly win, but as a Republican, I think he certainly has a chance.
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The big question is whether he will let his ego decide for him.

Take ego out of the equation and he fully supports the GOP nominee (looking like Rubio at this point) because it's best for the country.

Put ego into play and he runs as a third party. But here's the kicker on that. Michael Bloomberg has been making noise about running as well. So just imagine if you will a four way contest with two from the established parties and two independents running. Bloomberg takes away from the DNC side. Trump takes away from the GOP side.

And we end up with a mess.
 
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Grand Vol said:
The big question is whether he will let his ego decide for him.

Take ego out of the equation and he fully supports the GOP nominee (looking like Rubio at this point) because it's best for the country.

Put ego into play and he runs as a third party. But here's the kicker on that. Michael Bloomberg has been making noise about running as well. So just imagine if you will a four way contest with two from the established parties and two independents running. Bloomberg takes away from the DNC side. Trump takes away from the GOP side.

And we end up with a mess.
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The only thing that could allow Trump to win the presidency as an independent is a Bloomberg independent run, which would dilute the pools for each of the four major candidates so much that Trump could possibly have the most votes of any. As a lone major independent, I don't think Trump could win though.

But here I am making forecasts about this guy again, when I said I wouldn't.
 
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UTCVol said:
There are so many variables. Can Trump take the nomination and placate the GOP brass? Will he pivot toward the center? Will Republican moderates actually go over to Hillary?

Trump has some appeal to the labor Democrats, and Hillary isn't nearly as compelling as Obama. I think it comes down to whether minorities turn out against him in greater numbers. And since both candidates are so utterly unlikable, we may see some more third party action.
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I think many people hate Hillary enough that they are willing to vote for Trump, even if they don't actually like him.
 
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volprof said:
But here I am making forecasts about this guy again, when I said I wouldn't.
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Yeah, way to go Rastradamus. :)

Objectively, I wouldn't even begin to make predictions based on a four candidate race like that. You always have the Libertarian and Green parties lurking in the background, but this would basically be worse than the Perot/Bush/Clinton 1992 race with the additional factor of Bloomberg.

The media outlets would love it though.
 
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