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Vol8188 said:
I think the issue with trump supporters is that we try to debate them using logic and reason. These people respond better to lies and yelling contests. Perhaps then we could make them see the light
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Using logic, reason and words above the 5th grade level against Trumpkins is a losing argument.
 
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carlos86 said:
Using logic, reason and words above the 5th grade level against Trumpkins is a losing argument.
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Perhaps you should use logic and reason to try to convince them that the type of politician they have been voting for the last 25 years deserves their support once again. After all, they have done a bang up job.
 
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Franklin Pierce said:
Mitt Romney to endorse Rainbow Rubio?

Romney's endorsement would be as meaningful as Nikki Haley's.
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The butthurt coming from you is hilarious. Nobody picks your guy to be on their kickball team so each and every person who endorses anyone but Trump lacks sincerity or meaning.
 
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Was talking with the folks last night about what Trump should do to unite the party should he win the nomination.

1. He should come out and say he will refuse the Presidential salary and should offer to pay the salaries of his Cabinet but I would leave that up to him.

2. He needs to make a gesture to Cruz and offer him up as a Supreme Court appointee.

3. Offer the Vice President slot to either Kasich or Rubio to get the establishment on-board. Preferably Kasich in my humble opinion. For some reason I like him.
 
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Burhead said:
Was talking with the folks last night about what Trump should do to unite the party should he win the nomination.

1. He should come out and say he will refuse the Presidential salary and should offer to pay the salaries of his Cabinet but I would leave that up to him.

2. He needs to make a gesture to Cruz and offer him up as a Supreme Court appointee.

3. Offer the Vice President slot to either Kasich or Rubio to get the establishment on-board. Preferably Kasich in my humble opinion. For some reason I like him.
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Just when you thought trumpeters couldn't be any crazier
 
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Rainbow Rubio had the endorsements of the most popular governor in the nation, and the hugely popular black U.S. Senator in South Carolina, and still got trounced by a man from the state of New York who has never ran for political office.

Rubio is one step closer to becoming president.
 
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Vol8188 said:
Just when you thought trumpeters couldn't be any crazier
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Even in a year of being anti-establishment, Trump can't go into the general election without the backing of the elites of the RNC. He is going to have to make amends some how and try and unite the party. I don't think he will do any of that but he does need to try.
 
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Vol8188 said:
I think the issue with trump supporters is that we try to debate them using logic and reason. These people respond better to lies and yelling contests. Perhaps then we could make them see the light
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carlos86 said:
Using logic, reason and words above the 5th grade level against Trumpkins is a losing argument.
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It's no coincidence that, if you look at the statistics, Americans who have "lost" the most status since the 80s and 90s (in other words, literally the biggest "losers") are more likely to be Trump supporters than any other candidate. This is because his feel-good bull**** rhetoric of "winning" and "winning more than anyone" appeals to them. It gives them a false sense of hope and renewal, kind of like how any batch of the downtrodden are willing to listen to the loudest moron in their time of need, as long as the loudest moron promises that they'll "win again."

The unfortunate thing about it is that they aren't going to win again. Those days are over. And the cold, hard reality of a Trump presidency will hit them like a brick, because there's simply no way it can deliver.
 
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gordonr24 said:
It doesn't make sense. Trump supporters are like a cult. He can literally say or do anything, and he wouldn't lose a vote.
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Trump could pull down his pants and underwear on the debate stage, take a dump right on another candidate's podium, and then start flinging it at the rest of the candidates, the moderators, and the audience, and all he would do is move up in the Republican polls.
 
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1972 Grad said:
Perhaps you should use logic and reason to try to convince them that the type of politician they have been voting for the last 25 years deserves their support once again. After all, they have done a bang up job.
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The average Trump supporter has lost his or her job due to the inevitable flows of capital. Those jobs aren't coming back, no matter what any president does. They need to learn new skills, and we need to adapt our education/training systems to help them (or at least future generations like them, since it may be too late for them) to transition.
 
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volprof said:
The average Trump supporter has lost his or her job due to the inevitable flows of capital. Those jobs aren't coming back, no matter what any president does. They need to learn new skills, and we need to adapt our education/training systems to help them (or at least future generations like them, since it may be too late for them) to transition.
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So, NAFTA had nothing to do with the "inevitable flows of capital?" Allowing millions of illegals into the country to compete for their jobs had nothing to do with their low wages or possible unemployment?
 
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volprof said:
The average Trump supporter has lost his or her job due to the inevitable flows of capital. Those jobs aren't coming back, no matter what any president does. They need to learn new skills, and we need to adapt our education/training systems to help them (or at least future generations like them, since it may be too late for them) to transition.
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They lost their jobs because the national and global economy changed and most of them don't understand that and they blame that on government policy.
 
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1972 Grad said:
So, NAFTA had nothing to do with the "inevitable flows of capital?" Allowing millions of illegals into the country to compete for their jobs had nothing to do with their low wages or possible unemployment?
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Why would a company pay an american $14 an hour when he can pay a Mexican or Chinese person under $5 to make the same exact product and not have to pay the highest corp. tax in the world? That's economics. You don't fix that by building walls and threatening countries. You fix it by adapting your workforce and tax policy to the new economic circumstances.
 
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1972 Grad said:
So, NAFTA had nothing to do with the "inevitable flows of capital?" Allowing millions of illegals into the country to compete for their jobs had nothing to do with their low wages or possible unemployment?
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You think even an American president can combat this inevitability? You think large international businesses want to keep paying American laborers $20-30 an hour for making things some Southeast Asian could make for $3 a day and in a factory setting that doesn't have to worry about regulations?

Well, perhaps an American president can try, but that doesn't mean large corporations have to like it. They'll just move their asses somewhere else, unless you're planning on nationalizing our industries.

Just for the record, aren't you one that's against a higher minimum wage too, or am I mistaken?
 
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Another thing I'll add: while we probably could have kept industry here a little longer in the 90s, what the heck are we going to do now about automation - a factor that will hit the working class and the blue collar lower-middle-class as hard as any?

In order to get back those jobs, we'd have to subsidize the heck out of American industry, which is fine with me, personally, because I don't mind paying higher taxes to help my fellow countrymen, especially those who are working. But the way many posters on here talk about having to pay for things, especially that which seems to have no apparent benefit for them directly, I'm not so sure some will be as receptive to this idea as I might be.
 
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volprof said:
Another thing I'll add: while we probably could have kept industry here a little longer in the 90s, what the heck are we going to do now about automation - a factor that will hit the working class and the blue collar lower-middle-class as hard as any?

In order to get back those jobs, we'd have to subsidize the heck out of American industry, which is fine with me, personally, because I don't mind paying higher taxes to help my fellow countrymen, especially those who are working. But the way many posters on here talk about having to pay for things, especially that which seems to have no apparent benefit for them directly, I'm not so sure some will be as receptive to this idea as I might be.
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The days are coming when all the cashiers will be automated and it will be 2 guys there to make sure they work.
 
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volprof said:
Trump could pull down his pants and underwear on the debate stage, take a dump right on another candidate's podium, and then start flinging it at the rest of the candidates, the moderators, and the audience, and all he would do is move up in the Republican polls.
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I laughed.
 
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volprof said:
Another thing I'll add: while we probably could have kept industry here a little longer in the 90s, what the heck are we going to do now about automation - a factor that will hit the working class and the blue collar lower-middle-class as hard as any?

In order to get back those jobs, we'd have to subsidize the heck out of American industry, which is fine with me, personally, because I don't mind paying higher taxes to help my fellow countrymen, especially those who are working. But the way many posters on here talk about having to pay for things, especially that which seems to have no apparent benefit for them directly, I'm not so sure some will be as receptive to this idea as I might be.
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How about we subsidize my job? That sounds good to me.

Do you know why we lose jobs to automation and foreign manufacturers? Because there are better ways to do things. There is no good reason for pretending that these jobs are necessary. Let's put these people to work doing needed jobs.
 
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volprof said:
You think even an American president can combat this inevitability? You think large international businesses want to keep paying American laborers $20-30 an hour for making things some Southeast Asian could make for $3 a day and in a factory setting that doesn't have to worry about regulations?

Well, perhaps an American president can try, but that doesn't mean large corporations have to like it. They'll just move their asses somewhere else, unless you're planning on nationalizing our industries.

Just for the record, aren't you one that's against a higher minimum wage too, or am I mistaken?
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Never weighed in on it afaik.
 
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