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Vol8188 said:
Then why voter ID laws? What do they stop?
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I have no clue if those numbers regarding the occurrence rate of voter fraud are accurate, although I'm not really sure how such an exact determination could be made since voter fraud theoretically allows you to slip under the radar. The idea is that in a democratic election steps should be taken to ensure that each vote is legitimate. Again, it just seems like common sense to me. It would almost never have an impact on a national election, but in local elections, it could. I think preserving the integrity of the election is important, but don't want people to be disenfranchised.

The fact that this issue has devolved into partisan bickering says a lot. There's an obvious compromise. I do think some states are placing horrendously undue barriers to voting, so in the current state of things I would err on the side of no voter ID if those numbers are accurate.
 
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Wall Street source tells Phil Kerpen that Jeb Bush calling donors: He will drop out unless he finishes "strong third" in South Carolina.
 
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NEW SC GOP (ARG 2/17-2/18) [change vs 2/14-2/16]:

Trump 34% (+1)
Rubio 22% (+6)
Kasich 14% (0)
Cruz 13% (-1)
Jeb 9% (0)
Carson 4% (+1)
 
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South Carolina Tracking Poll:
Donald Trump: 36%
Marco Rubio: 19%
Ted Cruz: 18%
Jeb Bush: 10%
John Kasich: 10%
Ben Carson: 6%
 
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Vol8188 said:
And you know that number is less than one out of every 100000 votes, correct?
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Didn't Hillary win Iowa by around 5 votes?

As our country is becoming more polarized these elections will get tighter. The more tight the elections the more fraud becomes a determining factor.
 
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distrovol said:
Didn't Hillary win Iowa by around 5 votes?

As our country is becoming more polarized these elections will get tighter. The more tight the elections the more fraud becomes a determining factor.
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No. She won by .3% of 171,109 votes. So 513.
 
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Sorry. Should have proof read better. Thought I hit the two zero's.

500 votes is not a lot. The point stands. The smaller the margin of error, the more fraud can sway an election.
 
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distrovol said:
Sorry. Should have proof read better. Thought I hit the two zero's.

500 votes is not a lot. The point stands. The smaller the margin of error, the more fraud can sway an election.
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Fraud would have to have occurred at over 1000x the rate that it actually does for it to have changed the election.

But on the other hand, voter ID would have prevented well more than 500 people from voting.

So if anything would have negatively effected the results, it would've been voter ID law (estimated to prevent 100,000-half a million people from voting in many states)
 
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Vol8188 said:
Fraud would have to have occurred at over 1000x the rate that it actually does for it to have changed the election.

But on the other hand, voter ID would have prevented well more than 500 people from voting.

So if anything would have negatively effected the results, it would've been voter ID law (estimated to prevent 100,000-half a million people from voting in many states)
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Pretty hard to know how much fraud has occurred when there was no way to know if the right person was voting.
 
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Vol8188 said:
Tell me how then. How were people committing massive voter fraud?
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Without a photo ID being required voter fraud would be virtually undetectable. How is that hard to understand?

Until TN started requiring an ID I was never asked to prove I was me, just gave them my name.
 
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hog88 said:
Without a photo ID being required voter fraud would be virtually undetectable. How is that hard to understand?

Until TN started requiring an ID I was never asked to prove I was me, just gave them my name.
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How would you do it? And what does the ID prevent?
 
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theFallGuy said:
We had dead people voting in location elections here, or people simply showing up and voting more than once.
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How were they voting as dead people? And how were they voting more than once? Also how does an ID prevent this?

Most of the stories of dead people voting were from a dmv report that was later proven wrong. They later realized many of the "dead" people who voted were simply the sons of dead men who had the same last name, and some of them had mailed in absentee ballots and died will it was in the mail.
 
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Anyone for predictions in South Carolina?

I'm going to go:

Trump
Rubio
Cruz
Kasich
Bush
Carson

After which Bush and Carson drop.
 
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theFallGuy said:
We had dead people voting in location elections here, or people simply showing up and voting more than once.
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Deceased people were getting on election rolls. I have no idea how but it happened. People claim to be deceased person and then vote.
 
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theFallGuy said:
Deceased people were getting on election rolls. I have no idea how but it happened. People claim to be deceased person and then vote.
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Like I said earlier, this isn't actually happening. There was a dmv report that looked at over a million voter records from a given state (I don't remember the state) and claimed that over 900 dead people had voted.

All except for 5 were proven to have not been fraud. Most were people who had the same name as their deceased father and were mistaken in the report for a dead person voting. At least one (I wanna say a couple) was a guy who mailed in an absentee ballot and died while it was in the mail.
 
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Vol8188 said:
How would you do it? And what does the ID prevent?
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Your asking me how I would commit voter fraud?

Well lets see, since most county election commissions rarely update their roles they usually have many dead people still on the books. If I were a dishonest person, I could pay attention to the obits and then pay some street urchin to go vote in the deceased stead.

Happens in Chicago every year.
 
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Grand Vol said:
Anyone for predictions in South Carolina?

I'm going to go:

Trump
Rubio
Cruz
Kasich
Bush
Carson

After which Bush and Carson drop.
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If Rubio comes second then hopefully we'll see a trend where it becomes clear that it's a two-man race - Rubio vs Trump. In that scenario I can see Rubio winning.

I think your prediction will turn out to be accurate. If Kasich gets to double figures then he'll stay on.
 
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hog88 said:
Your asking me how I would commit voter fraud?

Well lets see, since most county election commissions rarely update their roles they usually have many dead people still on the books. If I were a dishonest person, I could pay attention to the obits and then pay some street urchin to go vote in the deceased stead.

Happens in Chicago every year.
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If dead people are voting that wouldn't be hard to track like you claimed. But you'd have to know their name. You'd have to know their address. And you'd have know they were registered to vote.

Wouldn't a better answer be to simply ask for someone's social and date of birth before they birth?
 
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